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    Talking So much for Joe Biden's campaign

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    Delaware Sen. Joe Biden said he meant no harm nor racist foul when he cracked wise about Illinois Sen. Barack Obama, one of several fellow Democrats seeking the party's 2008 presidential nomination.

    "I believe I was quoted accurately, but they weren't meant to be shots," Biden said of a story published in The New York Observer Wednesday. In it, he is quoted saying of Obama: “I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy. I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

    "My mother has an expression: Clean as a whistle, sharp as a tack. That's the context. He's crisp and clear," Biden said, explaining his comment.

    "The idea was very straightforward and simple. This guy is brand new and something no one has seen before. ... Barack Obama is probably the most exciting candidate that either party has produced since I've been around," Biden said.

    Accomplished Activists Asked whether he wanted to throw down the gauntlet and respond to Biden's quoted remarks, Obama refused to be drawn into the fight.

    "I am not going parse his words that carefully. ... You'd have to ask Senator Biden what he was thinking," Obama said.

    "I don't spend too much time worrying about what folks are talking about during a campaign season," he added.

    In an afternoon conference call to discuss his presidency, Biden said he's sure the African-American community isn't taking offense at his description of Obama as "articulate," a no-no that can be traced back at least to the 1996 effort to draft Colin Powell for a run for the president. At the time, comedian Chris Rock slammed the description of Powell as articulate in a riotous stand-up routine that forever put the expression in the trash bin of backhanded compliments.

    "I have no doubt Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and the rest know exactly what I meant," Biden said of African-American leaders. "They know what I was saying. That this is a special guy. It's like catching lightning in a jar... I really regret that some have taken my words out of context. I've spoken to Barack about it."

    Biden also yielded to his colleague to say whether he was offended or not.

    "Ask Obama what I thought. He knows what I meant by it," Biden said.

    But Biden, who's never been shy to speak his mind, wasn't entirely generous in his appraisal of Obama. In the article, which had plenty of less-than-flattering comments about other 2008 Democratic presidential wannabes, Biden questioned Obama's electability, calling him "a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate."

    Biden added: “I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic” on Iraq.

    As for Hillary Clinton, Biden said the New York senator's position on Iraq "baffles" him.

    “From the part of Hillary’s proposal, the part that really baffles me is, ‘We’re going to teach the Iraqis a lesson.’" Biden tells the Observer. "We’re not going to equip them? OK. Cap our troops and withdraw support from the Iraqis? That’s a real good idea.”

    Biden, whose ideas include dividing Iraq into three autonomous republics divided by ethnic group -- Kurdish, Sunni and Shiite, reportedly said Clinton's policy on Iraq would result in “nothing but disaster,” and he goes on to question the former first lady's electability.

    “Everyone in the world knows her,” Biden, 64, told the Observer. “Her husband has used every single legitimate tool in his behalf to lock people in, shut people down. Legitimate. And she can’t break out of 30 percent for a choice for Democrats?"

    He also called former North Carolina Sen. John Edwards — along with 2004 running mate Sen. John Kerry — "perfect blow-dried candidates," adding that on Iraq, "I don't think John Edwards knows what the heck he is talking about."

    Biden described Edwards' position on Iraq as "like so much Fluffernutter out there."

    "So for me, what I think you have to do is have a strategic notion. And they may have it — they are just smart enough not to enunciate it."

    Biden conducted a less contentious interview with The Philadelphia Inquirer, saying he learned his lessons from his 1988 run at the White House — namely "words matter" and "to lose one's temper is not a good thing."

    Biden appeared to have his sense of humor intact Wednesday while listening to former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger during a Senate Foreign Relations Committee hearing. In it, Kissinger, denied a quote attributed to him in Bob Woodward's book "State of Denial." In it, Kissinger supposedly told then-White House speechwriter Michael Gerson that the United States needed to "humiliate" radical Islam in Iraq.

    Kissinger said he "never said anything like that" and expressed disdain for "a kind of journalism" that takes "an alleged quote" and "spins a theory around it." To that response, Biden, the panel's chairman, quipped: "Last time you help him write a speech."

    In his announcement of a presidential bid, which appears on his campaign Web site, Biden took a serious tone: "The next president of the United States is going to have to be prepared to immediately step in and act without hesitation to end our involvement in Iraq without further destabilizing the Middle East and the rest of the world. Our safety is at stake."

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    So, what's "new" here?
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    what an idiot
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    More spin on a "comment" by the press 'cause they're desperate for a story? More "out of context" quotes? Happens every election.They all do it-what the fuck did I miss?

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    Wow.
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    It's too bad, actually, because I thought Biden might make a pretty good candidate.

    On second thought, this isn't necessarily the type of comment he can't recover from. Who knows.

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    See ya, Senator Hairplug (D - MBNA)
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    Not for nothing,but it wasn't like he called the guy a "maccaca".

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    OH, HE SAID HE'S "CLEAN".......ok,flame away.

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    Hey, so a dirty white boy decides to call a person of mixed heritage clean. Was he commenting on his personal hygeine?

    What a fucking moron.


    His campaign is over before it began.

    Obama released a statement saying he "didn't take personally what was said, but the statement Biden made was historically inaccurate."

    He was referring to the fact that Biden said he was the first black candidate to be articulate, therefore making it appear he was calling ALL previous Afro-American political candidates "inarticulate", and to say that about them would be pretty impossible.

    The above paragraph is paraphrasing Obama, but I just saw it on CNN a few minutes ago and am typing from memory.
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    Was it stoopid?

    Yes.

    Is it regrettable?

    You betcha.

    Is it a campaign ender?

    Probably in this day and age.

    Was he meaning to be a racist, ala George Allen?

    Doubt it.

    Am I channeling Donald Rumsfeld?

    Heavens to Betsy.

    Is BigBagBrian a Fag?

    Well, I clicked it, so it must be true.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Is BigBagBrian a Fag?

    Well, I clicked it, so it must be true.
    Hehehe.

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    There are knowns that we know and then there are knowns that we don't know. And then there are unknowns that we don't know and unknowns that we know we don't know yet.

    So we know that Brian is a fag because we pushed the button but how does Joe Biden know the level of Obama's "cleanliness" unless Brian was in the shower with him, probably dropping the soap, but we don't know that unknown for sure, and most of us would rather not know.

    Can dumb comments by hair plug wearing credit card company shills end their presidential campaigns as soon as plagarism did the last time? It's possible. Will that happen who knows? I'm just channeling an unemployed Nazi old man, don't ask me!

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    I miss Rummy.

    I mean, if it wasn't for the fact he's responsible for the deaths of thousands of Americans.....

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    Biden, like Gephardt, has been running for the nomination seemingly forever. Neither of 'em are ever gonna get elected to the White House, so no clear-thinking person is going to take either or their candidacies seriously.
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    Gephardt seems to be sitting this one out, thank God!

    Between his sucking up to Bush and stabbing Dean in the back, I really lost any respect I had for him.

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    Obama later in the day issued his own statement in which he said he didn’t take personal offense at the remarks, but defended previous African-American candidates who sought the presidency.

    “I didn’t take Senator Biden’s comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate. African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate,” Obama said.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine
    Obama later in the day issued his own statement in which he said he didn’t take personal offense at the remarks, but defended previous African-American candidates who sought the presidency.

    “I didn’t take Senator Biden’s comments personally, but obviously they were historically inaccurate. African-American presidential candidates like Jesse Jackson, Shirley Chisholm, Carol Moseley Braun and Al Sharpton gave a voice to many important issues through their campaigns, and no one would call them inarticulate,” Obama said.

    He loses me with the Sharpton.

    Sharpton is a moron.

    I don't care what color he is.

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    Joe Biden once again proves that he's a smacked ass.

    Here's a guy who just can't help falling ass backwards into a shitstorm.

    He should stick to plagiarism....that way he could at least blame someone else for his stupid fucking remarks.
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    That's gotta be some sort of record for "fastest campaign fuckup" in history.

    His run was barely a day old and it was over.

    Give it up, Joe.

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    For more on the questionable political history of Joe Biden, check this out...

    http://www.famousplagiarists.com/politics.htm#biden

    Biden is a fraud.

    The good people of the State of Delaware need to vote this hack out.

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    Originally posted by LoungeMachine


    Was he meaning to be a racist, ala George Allen?

    Doubt it.

    Well we knew you and your lackey (hideyoursheep) would defend him.

    Anyone with a D after their name is sacred.

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    Christ you are a fucking retard...

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Well we knew you and your lackey (hideyoursheep) would defend him.

    Anyone with a D after their name is sacred.

    Bullshit, and you and I both know it.

    But by typing this, I get to affirm twice more you're a fag

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    Originally posted by FORD
    There are knowns that we know and then there are knowns that we don't know. And then there are unknowns that we don't know and unknowns that we know we don't know yet.
    Oh my God. YOU read SPIDERMAN???
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    Originally posted by fryingdutchman
    He should stick to plagiarism....that way he could at least blame someone else for his stupid fucking remarks.
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA!!!!!

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    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
    Oh my God. YOU read SPIDERMAN???
    No, but apparently Rummy does.

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    Originally posted by BigBadBrian
    Well we knew you and your lackey (hideyoursheep) would defend him.

    Anyone with a D after their name is sacred.
    Is anyone else amused by the fact that BBB clicked "OK"?

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    Sen. Biden Lands in Hot Water with Remarks About Indians and 7-11

    India Post , News Report, N.C. Srirekha, Posted: Aug 14, 2006

    NEW YORK: Weeks after Senator Joseph Biden (D-Delaware) made seemingly stereotypical remarks linking Indian Americans to 7-11 and Dunkin' Donuts stores the debate over his "gaffe" is yet to die down in the community.

    Even as a section of the community is still smarting over the "insensitive" remarks, which were widely publicized by the mainstream media, a number of Indian American political activists in Washington D.C. have come out in defense of the Senator and his comments.

    Interestingly, the issue has come down to becoming a spat between the Democratic and Republican activists in the community. Early in July, the ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee and a potential 2008 Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Biden was on a campaign stop in New Hampshire where he spoke to an Indian American political activist in the group, and impressed upon him about the support he enjoyed among Indian Americans. ""I've had a great relationship (with Indian Americans). In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking," Biden had said.

    The clip showing Biden making the comment was aired on the C-SPAN series "Road to the White House," and was soon picked up by the various print and television media, besides blog sites, blowing it up into an embarrassing issue with Indian American leaders taking umbrage to the comments and Biden's office trying to cover the gaffe.

    Reacting strongly to the comments, founder-chairman of the Indian American Republican Council, Dr. Vijay said in a press release that the gaffe was "clearly over the top."

    "Joe Biden has a history of making insensitive and inappropriate remarks," said Dr. Vijay. "But even for him, this recent gaffe is clearly over the top."

    Dr. Vijay pointed out that this wasn't the first time a Senate Democrat has insulted Indian Americans. In 2004, Senator John Kerry referred to Sikhs as terrorists and Senator Hillary Clinton jokingly referred to Mahatma Gandhi as a gas station owner.

    Further drawing the divide on party lines, Dr. Vijay said, "A clear double-standard in the mainstream media will likely ensure Senator Biden gets a pass over these comments that would get a Republican in deep trouble if he ever made a similar statement."

    "Senator Biden will be surprised to hear that I am a cardiothoracic surgeon, leading a national association of Indian Americans who are physicians, attorneys, and small business owners. It's amazing to know we don't all work at Dunkin Donuts or the local 7/11. The contributions to America by Indian Americans in the fields of medicine, education, science, and business have been well-documented. We're not asking Senator Biden to apologize for his embarrassing, stereotypical comments. However, we do appreciate knowing what he really thinks of his Indian American constituents in Delaware," he said in the release.

    Republican candidate for Congress from Philadelphia Raj Peter Bhakta blasted Senator Biden's remarks, which he termed as "callous and racist."

    "These are ridiculous, callous and insensitive comments which would simply be laughable if they weren't coming from a Democratic presidential candidate," said Bhakta. "You'd never know from listening to Biden that Indian Americans have contributed to this country other than making a mean cup of coffee."

    Biden's office sought to explain the gaffe, stating that he admired, supported and respected the Indian-American community. "The point Sen. Biden was making is that there has been a vibrant Indian-American community in Delaware for decades. It has primarily been made up of engineers, scientists and physicians, but more recently, middle-class families are moving into Delaware and purchasing family-run small businesses," said Margaret Aitken, a Biden spokeswoman.

    "These families have greatly contributed to the vibrancy of the Indian-American community in Delaware and are making a significant contribution to the national economy as well," she added. Later, Biden himself told MSNBC that his comment was "meant as a compliment."

    Democratic activists in the community were quick to rise in Biden's defense. Supriya Christopher, executive director for the bipartisan US-India Political Action Committee (USINPAC), said in a statement that she did not consider the comments derogatory or racially charged. "For anybody who's been in office that long, I'd hope he'd speak extemporaneously," she said.

    Defending Senator Biden, Mini Timmaraju, a former IALI (Indian American Leadership Initiative) Board member, wrote, "As an Indian American Democratic political consultant who spent close to two years working in New Hampshire, my reaction to watching the original video (widely circulated on the internet) was something like: "there are that many Indian Americans in New Hampshire and Delaware now?"

    Timmaraju is currently a partner in Outreach Development Services, LLC, a consulting firm with political and non-profit clients based in Houston, Texas. During the 2004 election cycle, she was the Executive Director of the New Hampshire Senate Democratic Caucus. She currently serves as President of the Asian American Democrats of Texas. "While I was concerned that Senator Biden's comments were stereotypical and could have the unintended consequence of offending elements of the Indian American community, I did not personally find them offensive. I did find them remarkable," Timmaraju wrote in response to the IARC press release.

    "Here was a powerful American Senator commenting on class diversity within a relatively small immigrant community at an event in New Hampshire, where the entire Asian American population is less than 1%. Senator Biden was correct when he said the community was "growing, moving," she wrote.

    Delaware's population is less, but these two states are among the 10 fastest growing Asian American populations in the country according to a report done by the Washington D.C. based Asian American Justice Center.

    Reacting to the widespread coverage the comments received in the mainstream media, Timmaruju said, "Despite passage of US-India Civil Nuclear Cooperation, this is the most media attention the Indian American community has received all year."

    The IARC "attack" on Sen. Biden, Timmaraju said was "disingenuous and borderline irresponsible considering that Senator Biden had just been instrumental in guiding the pro-India nuclear legislation through the Senate Foreign Relations committee."

    "As a political consultant who works with candidates and community groups on their ethnic outreach strategies, and lobbies for community concerns, I question the wisdom of manipulating community sentiment for a minor partisan gain. We will need Senator Biden's friendship again. Luckily, for us, I am sure we will be able to count on it," she said.

    Timmaraju said that in the course of her work in New Hampshire she saw nine different Democratic presidential candidates in different settings, making all kinds of comments, the kind political junkies treasure for their unscripted nature. "I do not make this point to minimize the significance of what Senator Biden said. After all, he is a powerful man who wants to be President. His every word should be scrutinized, but let's be honest- not every random comment the actual President says gets this much attention."

    Whether the fact that the mainstream media kept harping on the comments indicate the political power of the Indian American community or not, Timmaraju says she saw no reason why the community should take offense at all. "General consensus in my personal circles has been, this was not a very smart comment, but hey, lots of Indian Americans do own and work in convenience stores, gas stations, and Dunkin Donuts. A lot of them have accents. What's wrong with that? Would anyone be so "offended" if Senator Biden made the same comment about engineers at software companies or doctors in an emergency room? What about motel owners in the South? Cab drivers in New York City? Is our dirty little secret the fact that after years of fretting about model minority stereotypes, we don't like being perceived as working class either?" she questions pertinently.

    Timmaraju feels that in order for the community to get the most out of this "incident", Indian Americans should reflect deeper than the typical "knee-jerk" reaction allows.

    Timmaraju too scaled political battle lines when she said, "When it comes to issues that truly affect the Indian American immigrant communities, particularly those who do work at stores such as 7/11 and Dunkin Donuts, (not just the ones who own them) Democratic Senators Biden, Clinton, and Kerry have always stood up for our entire community, not just the financially privileged few who make large political contributions.

    http://news.newamericamedia.org/news...3a4ace2dc8f009

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    Looks like history repeating!
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    There does seem to be some underlying tones and innuendos with his comments.

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    Delaware is the "south" now?? :confused:

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    Well one thing is for sure, Lounge Queen and Furd need to check into their local rehab clinics for their obssessive use of anti-gay remarks toward BBB. This behavior is unacceptable ladies and therapy is a must.
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    I came in and out of this thread about six times, just so I could keep clicking "yes".

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    Originally posted by Guitar Shark
    Is anyone else amused by the fact that BBB clicked "OK"?
    I'm at a loss for words at this. And that's saying a lot.

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    Originally posted by bueno bob
    I came in and out of this thread about six times, just so I could keep clicking "yes".

    That's a coincidence.

    Many members of the Roth Army keep coming in and out of "Bueno Bob's Vagina", because it's so popular and enjoyable.

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    Al and Jesse must have loved this. Biden must consider them Gangsta's.
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    Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
    That's a coincidence.

    Many members of the Roth Army keep coming in and out of "Bueno Bob's Vagina", because it's so popular and enjoyable.
    It's true.

    And you seem rather jealous, I might add.

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    Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
    Well one thing is for sure, Lounge Queen and Furd need to check into their local rehab clinics for their obssessive use of anti-gay remarks toward BBB. This behavior is unacceptable ladies and therapy is a must.
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