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    bill gates loses the plot over vistyawwn

    On the morning of the launch of the Vista operating system earlier this week, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates talked with Newsweek’s Steven Levy about the new version of Windows.

    He also shared his views on the Apple "Get a Mac" television campaign and more.

    Steven Levy: You also talk about improved security in Vista.
    Bill Gates: Yes, although security is a [complicated concept]. You’re [referring to] the fact that there have been some security updates already for Windows Vista. This is exactly the way it should work. When somebody comes to us [after discovering a vulnerability] we’ve got [a fix] before there is any exploit. So it’s totally according to plan, and that’s why we have the whole Windows Update thing. We made it way harder for guys to do exploits. The number [of violations] will be way less because we’ve done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasn’t done any of those things.

    Levy: Are you bugged by the Apple commercial where John Hodgman is the PC, and he has to undergo surgery to get Vista?
    Gates: I've never seen it. I don't think the over 90 percent of the [population] who use Windows PCs think of themselves as dullards, or the kind of klutzes that somebody is trying to say they are.

    MacDailyNews Take: We call bullshit on that one: Gates has seen the Apple ads. Every single one and multiple times at that. If not, he's not doing his job, which seems to be to spread FUD about Apple products, lie to interviewers, and pretend that Microsoft and innovation go hand-in-hand. If you believe Gates, we've got a bridge in Brooklyn with your name on it. If Gates had never seen a "Get a Mac" ad, he would not be able to state his next sentence about dullards and klutzes (riiight, someone just told him about the ads, instead of simply showing them to him). Most Windows PC users don't think of themselves as dullards, but Gates sure does.

    Levy: How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade?
    Gates: Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like it’s superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.

    MacDailyNews Take: Gates is in rare form. Lying through his teeth while calling everyone else a liar. This guy's gonna die in a hotel room in Vegas with 36-inch long fingernails if he keeps up with this level of delusion. Virtually every independent review that compares the two OSes says that Apple's Mac OS X is clearly superior to Windows Vista. This with Mac OS X Leopard coming out in a few months. No wonder Gates has lost it. Most independent reviews discourage doing an upgrade from XP to Vista; "buy a new machine for Vista" is what they recommend when they're not saying "switch to a Mac" outright.

    Levy: In many of the Vista reviews, even the positive ones, people note that some Vista features are already in the Mac operating system.
    Gates: You can go through and look at who showed any of these things first, if you care about the facts. If you just want to say, "Steve Jobs invented the world, and then the rest of us came along," that's fine. If you’re interested, [Vista development chief] Jim Allchin will be glad to educate you feature by feature what the truth is. I mean, it’s fascinating, maybe we shouldn't have showed so publicly the stuff we were doing, because we knew how long the new security base was going to take us to get done. Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. So, yes, it took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. Let’s be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those interface concepts came from?

    MacDailyNews Take: Bill Gates is a liar currently trying to buy his way into heaven with ill-gotten gains. He's also a vile, weasely dweeb with a massive, yet never-so-richly-deserved, inferiority complex. Steve Jobs has masterfully pushed Gates' every button and set the stage for interviewers to do the same which has obviously driven the nasty little bastard completely, utterly, and totally out of his mind. Tell us again how you brought Parental Controls to an OS for the first time with Vista, Billy boy. By the way, Bill Atkinson came up with "the file, edit, view, help menu bar" on the Mac. More about the history of where and how the Mac's user interface originated, from the actual people who did the work, here. Oh, and thanks for the offer, Bill, we would love to be educated by Microsoft's (former) Windows Chief Jim Allchin:

    Excerpt from a 2004 email from Jim Allchin to Steve Balmer and Bill Gates:
    I'm not sure how the company lost sight of what matters to our customers, both business and home, the most, but in my view we lost our way. I think our teams lost sight of what bug-free means, what resilience means, what full scenarios mean, what security means, what performance means, how important current applications are, and really understanding what the most important problems our customers face are. I see lots of random features and some great vision, but that does not translate into great products... I would buy a Mac today if I was not working at Microsoft.

    Full interview here.

    MacDailyNews Take: The reviews of Windows Vista speak for themselves. "Chrome-plated turd" is not ambiguous. Gates sees the end. His free ride on the back of ignorance is over. Gates sees his legacy, especially in comparison to the one Steve Jobs will leave, and it's not pretty. Does he really think that he can buy - or lie - his way out of it? Not likely, Karma's a bitch not easily escaped.
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    Of course "MacDailyNews" wouldn't be biased in any way, would they?
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    Yeah....I know you all hate them but, Anthony installs Vista on his home pc.




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    Bill Gates on Vista and Apple's 'Lying' Ads
    Bill Gates explains why you should buy his new operating system, what heÕs doing next and why John Hodgeman bugs him.
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    By Steven Levy
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    Updated: 9:59 p.m. CT Feb 1, 2007
    Feb. 1, 2007 - On the morning of the launch of the Vista operating system earlier this week, Microsoft chairman Bill Gates talked with NEWSWEEKÕs Steven Levy about the new version of WindowsÑand the one after that. He also shared his views on those Apple television commercials in which the Mac is represented by a hip guy and the PC by, well, a dweeb. Excerpts:

    NEWSWEEK: If one of our readers confronted you in a CompUSA and said, ÒBill, why upgrade to Vista?Ó what would be your elevator pitch?
    Bill Gates: The most effective thing would be if I could sit down with them and just take them through the new look for a couple of minutes, show them the Sidebar, show them the way the search lets you go through lots of things, including lots of photos. Set up a parental control. And then I might edit a high-definition movie and make a little DVD that's got photos. As I went through, they'd think, ÒWow, is that something I could use, would that make a difference for me?Ó

    Vista has been a very long time in coming, and parts of it were jettisoned along the way. Do you feel satisfied at the outcome now that itÕs finally shipped?
    Well, we released Windows XP about five years ago. During that time, weÕve had, I think, three releases of Media Center, four releases of [Windows Media], Tablet releases, Windows XP SP2, which was really a very major release. So in no sense has Windows been standing still. Actually, if you look at Windows strength versus Linux, or versus anything, itÕs done very well, because we have this big ecosystem. Next time around weÕre going to have a lot more agility. A lot of what we put into this version was layering work that will let us take the upper parts of the system, like the browser, and let us do more regular releases. So there [will be further releases] at least every couple of years, and in some parts maybe even yearly. And we learned a lot during the Vista [process]. People can see how weÕve mixed together our Office talent and Windows talent to get the best of both worlds, and how weÕre going to do things going forward.

    You also talk about improved security in Vista.
    Yes, although security is a [complicated concept]. YouÕre [referring to] the fact that there have been some security updates already for Windows Vista. This is exactly the way it should work. When somebody comes to us [after discovering a vulnerability] weÕve got [a fix] before there is any exploit. So itÕs totally according to plan, and thatÕs why we have the whole Windows Update thing. We made it way harder for guys to do exploits. The number [of violations] will be way less because weÕve done some dramatic things [to improve security] in the code base. Apple hasnÕt done any of those things.

    Are you bugged by the Apple commercial where John Hodgman is the PC, and he has to undergo surgery to get Vista?
    I've never seen it. I don't think the over 90 percent of the [population] who use Windows PCs think of themselves as dullards, or the kind of klutzes that somebody is trying to say they are.

    How about the implication that you need surgery to upgrade?
    Well, certainly we've done a better job letting you upgrade on the hardware than our competitors have done. You can choose to buy a new machine, or you can choose to do an upgrade. And I don't know why [Apple is] acting like itÕs superior. I don't even get it. What are they trying to say? Does honesty matter in these things, or if you're really cool, that means you get to be a lying person whenever you feel like it? There's not even the slightest shred of truth to it.

    Does the entire tenor of that campaign bother you, that Mac is the cool guy and PCÑ
    ThatÕs for my customers to decide.

    In many of the Vista reviews, even the positive ones, people note that some Vista features are already in the Mac operating system.
    You can go through and look at who showed any of these things first, if you care about the facts. If you just want to say, "Steve Jobs invented the world, and then the rest of us came along," that's fine. If youÕre interested, [Vista development chief] Jim Allchin will be glad to educate you feature by feature what the truth is. I mean, itÕs fascinating, maybe we shouldn't have showed so publicly the stuff we were doing, because we knew how long the new security base was going to take us to get done. Nowadays, security guys break the Mac every single day. Every single day, they come out with a total exploit, your machine can be taken over totally. I dare anybody to do that once a month on the Windows machine. So, yes, it took us longer, and they had what we were doing, user interface-wise. LetÕs be realistic, who came up with [the] file, edit, view, help [menu bar]? Do you want to go back to the original Mac and think about where those interface concepts came from?

    Is this Vista launch the last hurrah of the big operating system?
    Well, people have said that at every major Windows release. Java was going to eliminate Windows programming, or thin clients were going to eliminate people buying PCs. Operating systems keep getting better and richer, and they allow developers then to take advantage of that. We're doing more innovation now at the operating -system level than we've ever done. As we sit down and think, what are the things we're going to do in the next release, there's no shortage of radical things that will be happening in the operating system.

    You mentioned that Microsoft can now be more agile in updating. Are you thinking of rolling upgrades as opposed to big major releases?
    No, you'll have big releases. When you go in and enable a new kind of application, you want to get your partners behind it, you want to get them building the hardware that's related to that. It really simplifies things for people to think, OK, here's what I got in Windows Vista, here's what I'm going to get in this next major release. The more avid users download the upgrades in between, but of XP users how many downloaded a browser that was more advanced than the one they had? Maybe you and the people you know all did, but most people donÕt.

    How many actually do?
    I would say it's less than 30 percent. WeÕve had this incredible desktop search [available for download] that won every review, and IÕll bet that less than 10 percent of Windows users went and got that. Now with Windows Vista, you get something better. For most users, itÕs the first time theyÕve seen it at all.

    So you feel in 2010-2011 Microsoft will be back with the next big one?
    Absolutely. We'll tell you how Vista just wasn't good enough, and we'll know why, too. We need to wait and hear what consumers have to tell us. We don't know that, otherwise, of course, we would have done it this time.

    YouÕre leaving your full time role at Microsoft in July 2008. What involvement are you going to have in the next operating system?
    First of all, there's tons of people who help make those decisions, so I wouldn't overstate my role in the past. But I'll have full involvement, the [same] involvement I've ever had in the key decisions for those products.

    So can you give us an indication of what the next Windows will be like?
    Well, it will be more user-centric.

    What does that mean?
    That means that right now when you move from one PC to another, you've got to install apps on each one, do upgrades on each one. Moving information between them is very painful. We can use Live Services [a way to connect to Microsoft via the Internet] to know what you're interested in. So even if you drop by a [public] kiosk or somebody else's PC, we can bring down your home page, your files, your fonts, your favorites and those things. So that's kind of the user-centric thing that Live Services can enable. [Also,] in Vista things got a lot better with [digital] ink and speech but by the next release there will be a much bigger bet. Students won't need textbooks, they can just use these tablet devices. Parallel computing is pretty important for the next release. We'll make it so that a lot of the high-level graphics will be just built into the operating system. So we've got a pretty good outline.

    With Xbox and Zune, Microsoft has adopted an end-to-end approach, where you write the software, design the hardware and run the services. Will Microsoft now change its mobile-phone strategy and adopt an end-to-end approach, the way Apple has with the iPhone?
    No, I don't think so. People like different styling, media storage, capability [in phones]. The benefit we get from having lots of great hardware partners is pretty phenomenal. And our software can run on any one of those things.

    URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16934083/site/newsweek/
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    Everyone I know who made the switch from a PC running Windows to a Mac running OSX, bought the Mac to do digital photography on. Once they learn how much easier it is to do things with the OSX opperating system, they don't want to go back to Windows.

    My wife loves iLife and iWork and many of her friends have purchased Macs because they are impressed with the graphics on her newsletters and reports.

    My sister in law just ordered an iMac. Her first Apple ever.

    More and more people just want to buy it, open the box and use it. Plus, Vista is not original. It's a bad copy of OSX that doesn't have the user friendliness. They even made a bad copy of the chess game in OSX. Give me a break!
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    I'll have nothing else.

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    I missed the Daily Show with Jon Stewart episode when Gates was on, but I'm surprised he even did the show, considering John Hodgman is now a regular on the show.

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    This thread reeks of fanboi.
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    it reeks of the truth™

    can you handle it ?

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    vista = sammy

    os-x = dave

    why bother with a cheap copy , when the original is still aboot ?

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    Bill Gates is full of shit.

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    see ?

    i told you he had something in common with spammy

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    Flapster... happy birthday my friend.

    Concerning the Mac, how stable is the video editing feature? I've had nothing but bad luck with several PC video programs and I'm ready to give up.

    At one point I was going to drop a ton of cash into building the ultimate Vista system but realized I could use that money to buy a Mac instead.

    But if the Mac's vid software is shit, then I'll just buy a new plasma tv instead.

    Thoughts?
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    every mac comes with ilife , which includes imovie and idvd

    my sister did her fine art degree on her mac using these tools and passed with flying colours

    she even bought final cut pro and found the built in imovie was easier to use and got a refund on fcp a week later

    hidden costs , that's the thing aboot pc's

    you buy the main rig cheap , then the support costs balloon everything after the event..

    mac's are cheaper in the long run - ie; after the guarantee runs out

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    Originally posted by Hardrock69
    Bill Gates is full of shit.

    Bill Gates rules, in a den of thieves he owned everyone else. Macs are good if you need to dumb it down, and they're great for graphics but if you don't need either one of those go with a PC.
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    you're a fucking moron , you braindead cunt

    the entire basis for a modern pc/mac is something called the graphical user interface - GUI , based on , yup , THE GRAPHICS !!! so what makes ya think a computer with better graphics capability in the os sucks ? i thought you pc fanboys bought pc's to play games on after all , dimwit

    check this out and then SHUT THE FUCK UP

    http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/

    all the idiots that use a mac , eh ?



    son , you just got owned

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    Originally posted by flappo
    you're a fucking moron , you braindead cunt

    the entire basis for a modern pc/mac is something called the graphical user interface - GUI , based on , yup , THE GRAPHICS !!! so what makes ya think a computer with better graphics capability in the os sucks ? i thought you pc fanboys bought pc's to play games on after all , dimwit

    check this out and then SHUT THE FUCK UP

    http://www.apple.com/pro/profiles/

    all the idiots that use a mac , eh ?



    son , you just got owned
    Xerox built the GUI do your history, apple was the first thief. Who's the dumass now

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    actually , dumBass , read the following and maybe you'll learn something

    http://arstechnica.com/articles/paedia/gui.ars/2

    "The father of the GUI

    Douglas Engelbart in 1968
    Douglas Englebart completed his degree in electrical engineering in 1948 and settled down in a nice job at the NACA Institute (the forerunner of NASA). However, one day while driving to work he had an epiphany: he realized that his real calling as an engineer was not to work on small projects that might only benefit a few people. Instead, he wanted to work on something that would benefit all of humanity. He recalled Bush's essay and started thinking about ways in which a machine could be built that would augment human intellect. During the war he had worked as a radar operator, so he was able to envision a display system built around cathode ray tubes where the user could build models of information graphically and jump around dynamically to whatever interested them.

    Finding someone to fund his wild ideas proved to be a long and difficult task. He received his PhD in 1955, and got a job at the Stanford Research Institute, where he received many patents for miniaturizing computer components. By 1959 he had earned enough recognition to receive funding from the United States Air Force to work on his ideas. In 1962, Douglas published his ideas in a seminal essay entitled "Augmenting Human Intellect." In this paper, Douglas argued that digital computers could provide the quickest method to "increase the capability of a man to approach a complex problem situation, to gain comprehension to suit his particular needs, and to derive solutions to problems." He envisioned the computer not as a replacement for human intellect, but a tool for enhancing it. One of the first hypothetical examples he described for this technology was of an architect designing a building using something similar to modern graphical CAD software.

    This was a huge leap in thinking for 1962. The only computers that existed at the time were giant mainframes, and typically users would interact with them using what was called "batch processing." A user would submit a program on a series of punch cards, the computer would run the program at some scheduled time, and then the results would be picked up hours or even days later. Even the idea of having users enter commands on a text-based terminal in real-time (called "time-sharing" in the jargon of the day) was considered radical back then.

    Douglas and his growing staff worked for years to develop the ideas and technology that finally culminated in a public demonstration in front of over a thousand computer professionals in 1968"

    Doug Engelbart - inventor of the gui and the mouse and ripped off by Xerox

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