Windows Vista: My advice

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Don't upgrade.

It's really a piece of shit.

The best version, Ultimate, is around 400 bucks. Many of you may not have a kick ass computer, so you'll be FORCED to upgrade if you want to keep up with the times.

Read: upgrade or buy a new system.

You guys should really check out a Mac mini. Cheap as hell (starting at 600), fast, and generally a better experience.


Microsoft agrees with me when I say OS X is the best. The sincerest form of flattery is imitation. MS even copied the fucking wallpapers of Tiger.



Vista:

http://img408.imageshack.us/my.php?image=w215ti.jpg

Mac OS X:

http://img518.imageshack.us/my.php?image=stonesuk3.jpg


I'm just saying: Don't let a corporation force you to upgrade and live with hell. For 200 more, get a system and enjoyable experience that will last.

[Dan]

They are showing it on Our T.V.s now.

I'm Happy with Windows XP.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Well, if you ever want to upgrade to something, consider switching to Apple. I've said many times in the past that I'd never own a Mac, but, after trying it, I'll never go back.


Of course, price isn't an issue to me. You should know why by now

[Dan]

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
Well, if you ever want to upgrade to something, consider switching to Apple. I've said many times in the past that I'd never own a Mac, but, after trying it, I'll never go back.


Of course, price isn't an issue to me. You should know why by now

Cos you Build your own Computers?

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Dan
Cos you Build your own Computers?

Cuz I download everything! I build my own computers, butcha can't build a Mac. Even if you could build a machine that runs OS X flawlessly, it wouldn't look as good as getting the real thing.

[Little Texan]

No thanks! I think I'll stick with xp for a while, then try and learn how to use Linux. I'm fed up with Micro$oft and their insatiable greed! Vista might just end up being the straw that breaks the camel's back for me and gets me away from Windows! Sounds like nothing but a resource hog from all I've heard of it!

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Using a Mac, I can run any application known to man.... it's also like I never left Linux.



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[Hardrock69]

I will not upgrade.

Xp is all I need. And Windoze 2000 was the last OS I ever actually bought.

I will never give those assholes another dollar.

Fuck MicroShaft.

They can suck my fucking dick!

It is fast getting to the point now where Linux can run most MicroShaft formatted programs.

By the time I am ready to leave MS behind, Linux will run just abut anything.

[Panamark]

Does anyone really go and buy MS operating systems
the minute they are released ??

I wait until at least a year before I even look at it....

By that time the obligitory 3 or more service packs
have been released ands its getting closer to what
the original should have been like in the first place..

XP is fine now... Why upgrade at this point ?

In fact, although unsupported Win98se still runs
perfectly ok....
(If you ditch IE and get some decent security)

[BITEYOASS]

I'm gettin Linux for my next computer (which I will assemble myself) once my laptop dies.

[flappo]

[m_dixon1984]

I'm not trying to start any pro-Microsoft bullshit but Vista really isn't that bad. It has some pretty cool new features and the new Aero 3D GUI is fairly nice to work with. It requires some horsepower, though. Don't even think about using the new features with less than 1Gb of RAM and a fairly new processor, >1Ghz (so 3 or 4 years old, no older). I've been testing Vista for over a year and have seen the improvements made since receiving the alpha build late in 2005.

If you're going to buy a copy, wait. Wait at least 6 months, if not a full year. Let others discover the problems and let MS do their job fixing them. There continue to be reports of Vista drivers being hard to find for older video and sound cards. The new DVD encryption and copying rules are going to prove to be a pain in the ass for those who make DVD copies.

My personal opinion is to never purchase Vista directly. Let someone with a VLA (volume license agreement) buy it and bundle it with a hardware purchase (full system or hard drive in some cases). Getting the new OS this way gives MS far less money and you can convince yourself that you're not directly supporting Microsoft (delusional, yes, but if it lets you sleep at night...)

Things I like:
- Some of the Gadgets are OK.
- The new 3D desktop theme is also OK (browsing open programs using alt+tab or simply moving icon over toolbar is a nice feature)
- Media Player was a separate install (assuming because of lawsuit settlements). Means you can avoid installing it altogether and go straight to a media player of your choice.
- Security seems to be greatly improved. Vista now uses a Linux type feature that doesn't allow system changes without direct approval from an administrator account. Firewall seems to be much better configured.
- New Installation interface is easier to use.

Things I don't like:
- administration and support has been made more complicated as the user environment has become more "friendly". Frustrating for the PC technicians out there.
- A lot of touchy feely changes that will only ever make sense to the designers. File-Edit-View-Tools window menus have all but disappeared, replaced by often hard to find Options drop-down menus (often located in odd places in the window).
- Office 2007 has been overhauled with, again, what seem unnecessary and arbitrary changes, mostly visual in nature.
- In Microsoft's attempts to "simplify" things I find they've made more changes to file browsing than they should have. Sure "dumb" users don't have to understand the Windows file structure but that doesn't mean that it should be made so hard to get at (possibly a cue taken from the Mac or some the most recent Linux releases - Ubuntu for example). MS has further advanced their "if you don't need to see it; we won't show it" philosophy that has continued since Windows95. Oh, the area for user files has changed again, now: c:\users\<username> (an arbitrary change that will serve to confuse anyone expecting to find c:\documents and settings\<username>)
- Horsepower hog; making upgrade recommendations difficult. Better to wait to get Vista until you buy a new computer. If you decide to upgrade be ready to at least update RAM to 1Gb and Video to dedicated 128Mb card. (my testing on a 64Mb onboard shared RAM card has been slightly disappointing).

I'm still a Linux fan at heart and have been very impressed with Ubuntu 6.10. There's no need to give either Microsoft or Apple your money, IMO. Stick with Ubuntu, learn a bit of Linux, and support the Open Source community.

Ubuntu64 with OpenOffice (free). Windows Vista Ultimate with Office2007 Professional (aka, Ultimate) ($1000). It doesn't take a genius to figure out which is the better deal.

M

Using Vista because I'm paid to.

[Hardrock69]

Right now you can get an OEM version of Vista Home basic from Newegg.com for 95 bux:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116196


Or an OEM version of Vista Ultimate for $199:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16832116213


My cost? Zero....and I have had the Ultimate Edition for 3 months now.

Am I going to use it? Not anytime soon......

[flappo]

tiger pisses all over vista

imagine what leopard will do to it

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html

[Coyote]

Originally posted by flappo
tiger pisses all over vista

imagine what leopard will do to it

http://www.apple.com/macosx/leopard/index.html

Dare I say it looks very... *ahem*... "def"?

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

To all the people who say that they won't upgrade:


So, you're going to stick around with XP until MS changes their style? Are you still going to be using XP 20 years from now?


As far as I'm concerned, OS X is the only step forward.


And where the hell did they get the "Gadgets" idea? Very intuitive.

<img src="http://img50.imageshack.us/img50/3003/picture3vt3.png"></img>

[flappo]

http://images.apple.com/movies/us/ap...ty_480x376.mov

read em and weep

vista 'security' at work

[Hardrock69]

Don't wanna shell out the big bux for a full version of Vista (if you decide to go for it?)

Well guess what?

Here is how to get a clean install by just using a Vista Upgrade disk!


With a support note quietly posted to its Web site, Microsoft confirmed what enthusiasts have long feared: Users who purchase Upgrade versions of Windows Vista will not be able to perform clean installs of the operating system. Instead, they will need to first install their previous OS and then upgrade in-place to Vista.

"This problem occurs because Windows Vista [Setup] does not check upgrade compliance," a support note on Microsoft's Web site reads. "Therefore, you cannot use an upgrade key to perform a clean installation of Windows Vista."

While this is sure to infuriate some users--and certainly, it contradicts information Microsoft provided me with last year--the reality is that upgrade installs of Windows Vista essentially wipe out the OS and perform an install that is very much like a clean install. The real problem here, therefore, will be the length of time it takes to install Vista using the Upgrade media: Though Vista often installs in about 30 minutes, previous versions often take twice as long.

UPDATE: I haven't tested this yet, as I don't have Vista Upgrade media to test, but I'm told that Microsoft's internal documentation does explain how to clean install Vista using an Upgrade version. It appears to be more of a workaround than a true clean install, however. Here's what it says.

1. Boot with the Windows Vista Upgrade DVD.

2. Click "Install Now."

3. Do not enter a Product Key When prompted.

4. When prompted, select the Vista product edition that you do have.

6. Install Vista normally.

7. Once the install is complete, restart the DVD-based Setup from within Windows Vista. Perform an in-place upgrade.

8. Enter your Product Key when prompted.

http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37366

http://www.windowsitpro.com/Article/...5011.html?Ad=1

Theoretically you can save a pile of money by doing it this way.

But then, you can probably save just as much by buying one of the OEM discs I posted about above. With no fussing with your previous OS.

[Nitro Express]

Vista disolves what ever price advantage PC's had. Motherboards and PCI Express cards have to be built to Vista specifications and aren't cheap.

A Vista compatable computer is no longer a cost affordable computer.

What I like about Apple is they sell a whole system. No runaround because they are the hardware and software manufacture.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by flappo
http://images.apple.com/movies/us/ap...ty_480x376.mov

read em and weep

vista 'security' at work

Cancel.

Originally posted by Nitro Express
Vista disolves what ever price advantage PC's had. Motherboards and PCI Express cards have to be built to Vista specifications and aren't cheap.

A Vista compatable computer is no longer a cost affordable computer.

What I like about Apple is they sell a whole system. No runaround because they are the hardware and software manufacture.

Allow! Macs are just the shit. No more explanation needed.

[Hardrock69]

My Cray Supercomputer will make your Mac eat shit.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
My Cray Supercomputer will make your Mac eat shit.

I was thinking about buying one, but it can't run OS X yet. I'm going to buy next year

[flappo]

careful , it probably has more viruses than a mac too

[Hardrock69]

Right on.

That is one nice thing about being a computer owner.

People will NEVER lack stuff to buy you for Christmas haha....as there is ALWAYS some kind of upgrade out there.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

That's what makes it one of the most expensive legal habits out there.

[smaz]

Bahhh, the links aren't complete because of the ! in them, copy & paste the whole line into your browser bar.


http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns/

For those that do decide to go for vista & have problems:

http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!1868.entry



But everything that they updated & made for vista is pretty much available for XP....

How to make XP look like vista:

http://bhandler.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!70F64BC910C9F7F3!1708.entry

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Who the hell upgrades an OS based on looks?

[flappo]

good point

ok , xp looks like a fisher price reject from 1979 , but it's ugliness/crapness isn't just skin deep

it's got more holes in it than a quarter ton of swiss cheese

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

I mean, I seriously appreciate OS X looking very good.... but I'd rather have a great, ugly-ass OS than a candy piece of crap (Vista).

[flappo]

and look at the big selling point of vista

the transparency

???

why the fuck would you want to see bits of the window behind when you're working ??

we have expose for that , had it for YEARS actually..

not some half hearted lame brained 3rd rate cludge copy from a morally corrupt corp like microshit

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Yeah,

Beryl, Compiz, and MS don't know the meaning of "too much".

[spanishfly48]

i'll admit that beryl and compiz go a bit too far. it i also gotta admit that the cube is sick and many of te other features are just awesome. i would just say though, don't lump it with M$, it is far better

[smaz]

I didn't use the looks from that guide, I just used the downloads at the top. And I've wanted a mac mini for ages...

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by flappo
good point

ok , xp looks like a fisher price reject from 1979 , but it's ugliness/crapness isn't just skin deep

Well it does only if you are so stupid you cannot change the appearance of it.

Mine looks nothing like that goddamned Fisher/Price bullshit.

[MERRYKISSMASS2U]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
Well it does only if you are so stupid you cannot change the appearance of it.

Mine looks nothing like that goddamned Fisher/Price bullshit.

Do you run in classic mode, or do you use one of those resource-hog skinners?

[flappo]

it may not look fisher price

but it sure fucking works like it

hahah

[DrMaddVibe]

HA!

Square peg in a round hole!

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
Do you run in classic mode, or do you use one of those resource-hog skinners?

Classic mode wif custom colors.


Anything else is a resource hog....including the Fisher/Price look.

[lonnieg5]

Dave mentioned his Mac several times on his radio show last year.

That's really all I need to throw out any version of Windows and switch to Apple.

Who's with me?

[flappo]

all of us

skyscraper was one of the first mac albums ever

1988


nuff said