Supreme Court OKs Abortion Procedure Ban

[knuckleboner]

Originally posted by ODShowtime
I'd say having an unwanted kid is a lot worse than a little baby clothes jones every now and then.

There are a wealth of studies regarding young pregnancies and poverty and the cycle it creates. It makes society worse.

i totally understand your point here.

problem is, doesn't that logic hold true 1 minute after the birth? what if we redrew the line and said that it wasn't a separate person until after the umbilical cord was cut?

no, i'm not saying you're arguing to "abort" kids after they're born.

personally, though, i just don't know where to draw the line on when there is a 2nd person and when there isn't.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
it gives people too much freedom

Too much freedom ??

You are, without a doubt, whether you know it or not, a real supporter of socialism...

You stand far left of the Clintons with statements like that...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by knuckleboner
i just don't know where to draw the line on when there is a 2nd person and when there isn't.

Maybe this will help you decide...

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Too much freedom ??

You are, without a doubt, whether you know it or not, a real supporter of socialism...

You stand far left of the Clintons with statements like that...

"We can't be so fixated on our desire to preserve the rights of ordinary Americans" -- Bill Clinton in 1993 from USA Today

[Ellyllions]

I dunno E....when you crop a sentence off like that you tend to get enough to make something of it...ya know.


the rest of that sentence was, "Too much freedom to act recklessly".

I guess I couldn't persuade you to believe that most laws are created for the protection of self, eh?

[ELVIS]

Yep...

And FORD will tell us how Clinton is the greatest president of our lifetime...

[Ellyllions]

This ain't about Clinton or any other President.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Abortion is bad because it gives people too much freedom to act recklessly and ruin their lives.

Again, too much freedom ??

Maybe we should take a poll on who the dumbass is...

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
I guess I couldn't persuade you to believe that most laws are created for the protection of self, eh?

Name some...

[Ellyllions]

Yeah, sorry about that I got ahead of myself. I really try not to name-call.

Take your poll. I won't be affected.

[Ellyllions]

Originally posted by ELVIS
Name some...

-speed limits
-drug laws
-most all traffic violations
-gun laws


Shit, all laws are created in an attempt protect someone from something whether it's the user or the possibly affected.

[ELVIS]

How 'bout a law to protect an unborn child ??

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

ELVIS, YOU AND HER ARE ON THE SAME SIDE OF THIS ARGUMENT!!! SHESSSH!!!

[Ellyllions]

He just doesn't like me and wants to prove it every chance he gets.

Let him.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by Ellyllions
There is a responsiblity when you unsnap that bra. Unprotected sex is just fucking DUMB! End of story.

Well, thanks for making my point for me. If these individuals aren't prepared to take a simple precaution on one reckless night, are they really fit and ready to be parents? NO ONE ENJOYS GETTING ABORTIONS. You make it sound like it's a casual thing someone does on their way to Wal-Mart to pick up charcoal for Saturday night's BBQ.

Since we've invoked Clinton here (the furthest right of any Democrat president EVER, BTW), let's take his words "Abortions should be rare, safe...and legal." It's a final option for some people, others (hopefully) will opt for open adoption.

But you can't say abstinence is the only way, and the REALITY is we ALL do sumb things from time to time. Driving without a seatbealt, watching and caring too much about American Idol and Sanjaya, or maybe - it happens - having sex unprotected. (This is discounting the condom breaking, btw).

Yes, it's rash. Yes, it's irresponsible. Nut what is, is. And each individual is different. What's best for me might not be what's best in the mind of a politiican.