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    Billion$ in Iraqi Oil Mi$$ing!

    May 12, 2007
    Billions in Oil Missing in Iraq, U.S. Study Says
    By JAMES GLANZ

    Between 100,000 and 300,000 barrels a day of Iraq’s declared oil production over the past four years is unaccounted for and could have been siphoned off through corruption or smuggling, according to a draft American government report.

    Using an average of $50 a barrel, the report said the discrepancy was valued at $5 million to $15 million daily.

    The report does not give a final conclusion on what happened to the missing fraction of the roughly two million barrels pumped by Iraq each day, but the findings are sure to reinforce longstanding suspicions that smugglers, insurgents and corrupt officials control significant parts of the country’s oil industry.

    The report also covered alternative explanations for the billions of dollars worth of discrepancies, including the possibility that Iraq has been consistently overstating its oil production.

    Iraq and the State Department, which reports the numbers, have been under relentless pressure to show tangible progress in Iraq by raising production levels, which have languished well below the United States goal of three million barrels a day. Virtually the entire economy of Iraq is dependent on oil revenues.

    The draft report, expected to be released within the next week, was prepared by the United States Government Accountability Office with the help of government energy analysts, and was provided to The New York Times by a separate government office that received a review copy. The accountability office declined to provide a copy or to discuss the draft.

    Paul Anderson, a spokesman for the office, said only that “we don’t discuss draft reports.”

    But a State Department official who works on energy issues said that there were several possible explanations for the discrepancy, including the loss of oil through sabotage of pipelines and inaccurate reporting of production in southern Iraq, where engineers may not properly account for water that is pumped along with oil in the fields there.

    “It could also be theft,” the official said, with suspicion falling primarily on Shiite militias in the south. “Crude oil is not as lucrative in the region as refined products, but we’re not ruling that out either.”

    Iraqi and American officials have previously said that smuggling of refined products like gasoline and kerosene is probably costing Iraq billions of dollars a year in lost revenues. The smuggling of those products is particularly feared because officials believe that a large fraction of the proceeds go to insurgent groups. Crude oil is much more difficult to smuggle because it must be shipped to refineries and turned into the more valuable refined products before it can be sold on the market.

    The Shiite militia groups hold sway around the rich oil fields of southern Iraq, which dominate the country’s oil production, the State Department official said. For that reason, he said, the Shiite militias are more likely to be involved in theft there than the largely Sunni insurgents, who are believed to benefit mostly from smuggling refined products in the north.

    In the south, the official said, “There is not an issue of insurgency, per se, but it could be funding Shia factions, and that could very well be true.”

    “That would be a concern if they were using smuggling money to blow up American soldiers or kill Sunnis or do anything that could harm the unity of the country,” the official said.

    The report by the accountability office is the most comprehensive look yet at faltering American efforts to rebuild Iraq’s oil and electricity sectors. For the analysis of Iraq’s oil production, the accountability office called upon experts at the Energy Information Administration within the United States Department of Energy, which has long experience in analyzing oil production and exports worldwide.

    Erik Kreil, an oil expert at the information administration who is familiar with the analysis, said a review of industry figures around the world — exports, refinery figures and other measures — could not account for all the oil that Iraq says it is producing. The administration also took into account how much crude oil was consumed internally, to do things like fuel Iraqi power plants and refine into gasoline and other products.

    When all those uses of the oil were taken into consideration, Mr. Kreil said, Iraq’s stated production figures did not add up.

    “Either they’re producing less, or they’re producing what they say and the difference is completely unaccounted for in any of the places we think it should go,” Mr. Kreil said. “Either it’s overly optimistic, or it’s unaccounted for.”

    Several analysts outside the government agreed that such a large discrepancy indicated that there was either a major smuggling operation in place or that Iraq was incapable to generate accurate production figures.

    “That’s a staggering amount of oil to lose every month,” said Philip K. Verleger Jr., an independent economist and oil expert. “But given everything else that’s been written about Iraq, it’s not a surprise.”

    Mr. Verleger added that if the oil was being smuggled out of Iraq, there would be a ready market for it, particularly in smaller refineries not controlled by large Western companies in places like China, the Caribbean and even small European countries.

    The report also contains the most comprehensive assessment yet of the billions of dollars the United States and Iraq spent on rebuilding the oil and electricity infrastructure, which is falling further and further behind its performance goals.

    Adding together both civilian and military financing, the report concludes that the United States has spent $5.1 billion of the $7.4 billion in American taxpayer money set aside to rebuild the Iraqi electricity and oil sectors. The United States has also spent $3.8 billion of Iraqi money on those sectors, the report says.

    Despite those enormous expenditures, the performance is far short of official goals, and in some cases seems to be declining further. The average output of Iraq’s national electricity grid in 2006, for example, was 4,300 megawatts, about equal to its value before the 2003 invasion. By February of this year, the figure had fallen still further, to 3,800 megawatts, the report says.

    All of those figures are far short of the longstanding American goal for Iraq: 6,000 megawatts. Even more dispiriting for Iraqis, by February the grid provided power for an average of only 5.1 hours a day in Baghdad and 8.6 hours nationwide. Both of those figures are also down from last year.

    The story is similar for the oil sector, where — even if the Iraqi numbers are correct — neither exports nor production have met American goals and have also declined since last year, the report says.

    American reconstruction officials have continued to promote what they describe as successes in the rebuilding program, while saying that problems with security have prevented the program from achieving all of its goals. But federal oversight officials have frequently reported that the program has also suffered from inadequate oversight, poor contracting practices, graft, ineffective management and disastrous initial planning.

    The discrepancies in the Iraqi oil figures are broadly reminiscent of the ones that turned up when some of the same energy department experts examined Iraq’s oil infrastructure in the wake of the oil-for-food scandals of the Saddam Hussein era. In a United Nations-sponsored program that was supposed to trade Iraq’s oil for food, Mr. Hussein and other smugglers were handsomely profiting from the program, investigations determined.

    In reports to Congress before the 2003 invasion that ousted Mr. Hussein, the accountability office, using techniques similar to those called into play in its most recent report, determined that in early 2002, for example, 325,000 to 480,000 barrels of crude oil a day were being smuggled out of Iraq, the majority through a pipeline to Syria.

    But substantial amounts also left Iraq through Jordan and Turkey, and by ship in the Persian Gulf, routes that could also be available today, said Robert Ebel, a senior adviser at the Center for Strategic and International Studies in Washington.

    “Any number of adjacent countries would be glad to have it if they could make some money,” Mr. Ebel said.

    Mr. Ebel said the lack of modern metering equipment, or measuring devices, at Iraq’s wellheads made it especially difficult to track smuggling there. The State Department official agreed that there were no meters at the wellheads, but said that Iraq’s Oil Ministry had signed a contract with Shell Oil to study the possibility of putting in the meters.

    The official added that an American-financed project to install meters on Iraq’s main oil platform in the Persian Gulf was scheduled to be completed this month.

    As sizable as a discrepancy of as much as 300,000 barrels a day would be in most parts of the world, some analysts said it could be expected in a country with such a long, ingrained history of corruption.

    “It would be surprising if it was not the case,” said John Pike, director of GlobalSecurity.org, which closely follows security and economic issues in Iraq. He added, “How could the oil sector be the exception?”

    Copyright 2007 The New York Times Company

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    It's Oil for big buck$!

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    ...hmm....Iran's decreased oil revenue is approx..$5.5 billion per year for the passed 2 years due to the neglect of the pipelines....Where could they get their oil to replace that lost revenue, and yet continue their Nukes race?


    ...hmm...
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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    ...hmm....Iran's decreased oil revenue is approx..$5.5 billion per year for the passed 2 years due to the neglect of the pipelines....Where could they get their oil to replace that lost revenue, and yet continue their Nukes race?
    One of the first things to be secured after the invasion was the oil infrastructre. While the museums, govt buildings were being looted, the oil was protected by our troops. And still is.

    The same people who claimed that Iraq had WMD are the very people now pointing thier fingers at Iran. Does this not cause you concern?

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    Originally posted by DEMON CUNT

    The same people who claimed that Iraq had WMD are the very people now pointing thier fingers at Iran. Does this not cause you concern?
    No. Iraq wasn't bragging publicly about any WMD programs. Iran IS when it comes to their nuclear program. Irans president openly admits the nuclear program and that no one can stop them. He also openly admits he wants the total destruction of Israel. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a working nuke.
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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    ...hmm....Iran's decreased oil revenue is approx..$5.5 billion per year for the passed 2 years due to the neglect of the pipelines....Where could they get their oil to replace that lost revenue, and yet continue their Nukes race?


    ...hmm...
    Do you always blame Iran for US failures?

    I bet those bastards told Castro about the Bay of Pigs!

    BTW, the article doesn't even mention "Iran."

    So you can stop with the delusional speculations intended for self-serving political agendas. Oh, and BTW, Saddam didn't send his WMDs to Syria, and if he HAD had them, he wouldn't have given them to terrorists either...

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    Originally posted by sadaist
    No. Iraq wasn't bragging publicly about any WMD programs.


    Actually, they were telling Iran that they had chemical weapons ready to fire into Tehran if Iran invaded them...

    I think it's called a "bluff" in poker, since Saddam's conventional forces were weakened by sanctions and US bombing...

    Iran IS when it comes to their nuclear program. Irans president openly admits the nuclear program and that no one can stop them.
    Well, he should shut up about it then, like the Israelis have about their nuclear weapons production!

    He also openly admits he wants the total destruction of Israel.
    When did he ever say exactly that?

    Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a working nuke.
    You must live in a state of perpetual, and pitiful, fearfulness if you obsess over this crap.

    He'd probably do nothing with it. In any case, it's at least five to ten years away.
    Last edited by Nickdfresh; 05-12-2007 at 12:38 PM.

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    Ya'll can back the fuck off actually.

    I wasn't taking sides, I merely set out a thought.
    NOTHING MORE!

    I don't know where the fuck the oil went, and at this point I don't care. I just want all of this bullshit to come to a head and get it the fuck overwith.

    The "war" as we know it is OVER, there's another one brewing and we should have no part of it. Get our soldiers home and let them kill each other off.

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    Originally posted by sadaist
    No. Iraq wasn't bragging publicly about any WMD programs. Iran IS when it comes to their nuclear program. Irans president openly admits the nuclear program and that no one can stop them. He also openly admits he wants the total destruction of Israel. Makes you wonder what he would do if he had a working nuke.
    So you are saying that in spite of all the bravado; Iran does not have nuclear weapons?

    So, why are you so worried about Iran? Other than the fact that you have been told to.

    We have heard this "no one can stop us" bullshit before.



    You neo-cons have a real hardon for this region and will use any means to justify more destruction.

    The president of Iran knows full well what would happen if they threw a nuke. And we know full well what would happen if we invaded Iran.

    Iran was called out as part of the "axis of evil" as we fecklessly invaded one of their neighbors. Causing incredible chaos and death. How do you expect Iran to react to that?

    President Bush uses threatening language all the time. How do you expect Iran to react to that?

    How would you feel if China invaded Canada? Would you greet them as liberators?

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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    Ya'll can back the fuck off actually.

    I wasn't taking sides, I merely set out a thought.
    NOTHING MORE!

    I don't know where the fuck the oil went, and at this point I don't care. I just want all of this bullshit to come to a head and get it the fuck overwith.

    The "war" as we know it is OVER, there's another one brewing and we should have no part of it. Get our soldiers home and let them kill each other off.
    Hey now! I just offered a comment on the thought that you offered.

    It is nice to hear you say that you want the troops home. I am afraid that is the only solution. Many people are still seduced by the vague notion of "complete victory."

    The main objective of the Bush Administration is to drag this out as long as possible with unlimited funding and no means of measuring progress.

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    Take your meds Katydid. And Why are you following Elly around, weirdo...
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    Fuck their oil. I'm ready for ethanol.

    As soon as our government gets their shit together and we start seeing ethanol pumps around, let the whole Middle East destroy each other. I'm officially to the point (since the girls schools' bomb thing) that I don't think they want anything other than chaos and blood.

    I hate to see the history destroyed but I don't give a shit if they blow each other to kingdom come.

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    Originally posted by Nickdfresh

    When did he ever say exactly that?

    2005, 2006, 2007.... How quickly we forget.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.”

    http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/2170.cfm
    http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitis..._responses.htm


    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel was destined to ‘disappearance and destruction’

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...327439,00.html

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080300629.html

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, declared Sunday that Israel had "pushed the button of its own destruction"

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1153291976348

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared Wednesday that Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map"

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_488142.htm

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    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad loves to thump his chest. As does our president.

    Do you really think that Iran is any sort of threat to Israel?

    Why are you so concerned about Israel anyway?

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    Originally posted by sadaist
    2005, 2006, 2007.... How quickly we forget.

    President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called for Israel to be “wiped off the map.”

    http://www.worldpress.org/Mideast/2170.cfm
    http://www.adl.org/main_Anti_Semitis..._responses.htm


    Bullshit, highly questionably biased links using second-hand quotes of more reliable sources, but ones that misquote him severally. These are the canned news headlines, not his exact words.

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared that Israel was destined to ‘disappearance and destruction’

    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7...327439,00.html
    Ditto as above...

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said Thursday the solution to the Middle East crisis is to destroy Israel.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...080300629.html
    Oh look, another headline. But what was the actual quote?

    "Although the main solution is for the elimination of the Zionist regime, at this stage an immediate cease-fire must be implemented," he said.
    ...
    Ahmadinejad, who has drawn international condemnation with previous calls for Israel to be wiped off the map, said the Middle East would be better off "without the existence of the Zionist regime."


    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, declared Sunday that Israel had "pushed the button of its own destruction"

    http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...=1153291976348
    Again, a quote out of context. He was talking about Israel attacking Lebanon as "pushing the button." And of course, from the Jerusalem Post, a slight alarmist bias there. And I'm pretty sure there were far more innocent Lebanese civilians that died in that one than there were innocent Israelis killed by terrorists....

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad declared Wednesday that Israel is a "disgraceful blot" that should be "wiped off the map"

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english...ent_488142.htm
    [/quote]

    He didn't say "Israel," he said this:

    Referring to Palestinian suicide bomb attacks in Israel, Ahmadinejad said: "there is no doubt that the new wave in Palestine will soon wipe off this disgraceful blot from the face of the Islamic world."

    Nothing is exact or specific, mostly journalists inferring what he's said.

    And of course ignoring the fact that Israel has almost 300 nuclear weapons (supposedly according the BBB's grate research) which makes his statements as puerile and childish as some of the macho right wing crap I've read in this forum...

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    And BTW, if you guys hate Iran so much, why are you supporting the same Shiite "Iraqi" gov't propped up by the militias, that are killing Americans, that they're supporting?

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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    Fuck their oil. I'm ready for ethanol.

    As soon as our government gets their shit together and we start seeing ethanol pumps around, let the whole Middle East destroy each other. I'm officially to the point (since the girls schools' bomb thing) that I don't think they want anything other than chaos and blood.

    I hate to see the history destroyed but I don't give a shit if they blow each other to kingdom come.
    Well stated.....Perfect!

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    Originally posted by Ellyllions
    Fuck their oil. I'm ready for ethanol.

    No shit.

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    Paul Wolfowitz must be put to trial and hanged!

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    Originally posted by BITEYOASS
    Paul Wolfowitz must be put to trial and hanged!
    Along with the rest of his treasonous fuck PNAC co-conspirators.

    Send 'em down to Hell. We're ready for them.
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    Originally posted by Satan
    Along with the rest of his treasonous fuck PNAC co-conspirators.

    Send 'em down to Hell. We're ready for them.
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