The Army Boxing Thread

[vandeleur]

I definitely think that's got legs , I can see the fury chisora winner in with a shot at that

[binnie]

Any takes for Juan Manuel Marquez - Mike Alvarado this weekend?

Alvardo is good, but I guess the outcome of this fight comes down to whether or not JMM begins to show his 40 years.....

[binnie]

JMM completely outclassed Alvardo last night - I don't understand Alvardo's tactics: why try and outbox JMM? If you're the bigger guy, impose your size!

Eve at 40, it seems, JMM is still a threat.

[vandeleur]

Froch groves any one ?

Here is my mini binnie break down

Lots of opinion on if the the first fight was stopped to soon .
But no one doubts Georgie boy got in froch's head .
And to be honest watching the press for this and froch shouting from the rooftops I've been to see psychologist to stop it this time kind of says he still has froch rattled .

That said Carl is the better fighter, and can sure take a hammering , one to many is the counter to that .

I would like to see froch win he is the better fighter and for some of the battles he has give us I would like to see him retire on a win.

Am going froch out to prove a point with groves thinking I can put this guy down . Total war followed by froch stopping groves in 6/7 th.

[vandeleur]

After the arguments over the weigh in and the short notice prince gig I must say either boys would be to much for prince , he has moves , looks in good shape but would be out classed over the distance

[binnie]

Froch-Groves is an intriguing one.

If Groves keeps moving, he can win on points. Froch - too as he is - has always looked sloppy against guys with movement. I question whether Groves has the stamina to go 12 rounds without being worn down by Froch, however - I suspect that although he's on the slide Froch's toughness will see him through.....

[vandeleur]

You saying points ?

[binnie]

Yeah, Froch on points.

I suspect that Groves pulls out and early lead and then gets broken down. I think his stamina let him down in the first fight (although I'd agree it was stopped too early) - if he's improved it then Froch is finished.....

[sonrisa salvaje]

Matthew Saad Muhammed passed away. Here is the article from ESPN. Don't know if most of you guys are old enough to remember him. I used to see him fight on Wide World of Sports.

Hall of Fame former light heavyweight champion Matthew Saad Muhammad died Sunday at Chestnut Hill Hospital in his hometown of Philadelphia. He was 59.

The cause of death was not announced.

"Matthew Saad Muhammad was one of the most exciting boxers of all time. His drama-filled fights were thrilling and he was a real fan favorite," said Edward Brophy, executive director of the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York, in announcing his death. "We join the boxing community in mourning his passing and offer our condolences to his family."

In addition to fashioning a Hall of Fame career and being involved in numerous memorable fights, Saad Muhammad's story was inspiring. Abandoned as a child, he rose to fame and became a light heavyweight world champion against all odds.

In 1979, Saad Muhammad, known for his punching power and heart, knocked out Marvin Johnson in a rematch of a previous victory to win the WBC light heavyweight title in Indianapolis, Johnson's hometown.

Saad Muhammad made eight successful defenses, beating such top opponents as John Conteh (twice), Yaqui Lopez and Vonzell Johnson before losing the title by 10th-round knockout to Dwight Muhammad Qawi, also a Hall of Famer, in December 1981. He challenged Qawi in a rematch eight months later and was knocked out in the sixth round in what would be his final world title bout appearance.

Born Maxwell Antonio Loach in Jenkintown, Pennsylvania, Saad Muhammad's mother died when he was 5. He and his older brother were taken in by an aunt, who could not afford to raise both of them. As the story goes, she instructed the brother to get rid of his younger brother. The older brother took Saad Muhammad to the Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia and left him there.

After police found him and took him to Catholic Social Services, nuns there gave him the name Mathew Franklin, after the saint and the parkway where he was found, because the child did not know his own name.

He grew up with the new name -- before changing it later in life -- and was in and out of reform school as a child. He was inspired to try boxing after seeing Muhammad Ali spar at a Philadelphia gym and eventually turned pro in 1974.

The light heavyweight division was in a golden age in the 1970s and '80s and there were few easy fights, especially in Philadelphia. Saad Muhammad suffered three losses and had two draws in first 18 fights, including defeats to future titleholders Marvin Camel and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, before emerging as a serious contender.

"From Bob Foster's retirement in the mid-70s until the early 80s, it was the greatest generation of light heavyweights and he competed at the very top," said Hall of Fame matchmaker and promoter J Russell Peltz, who estimated that he promoted about 20 of Saad Muhammad's fights. "That four-year stretch from July 1977 when he won the [NABF] title until he lost the [world] title in December 1981, he was the man. He was certainly the most entertaining fighter of his generation and you could argue that he's in the top 10 Philadelphia fighters of all time, and there are so many great fighters that came out of Philly."

In 1977, Saad Muhammad had his first breakout victory, knocking out Johnson in the 12th round to win the regional NABF title, which he defended with wins against the likes of Billy Douglas and Lopez before earning the world title shot.

His 1979 championship win in a rematch against Johnson was an all-time classic fight. Bleeding from cuts over both eyes, Saad Muhammad stopped Johnson in the eighth round, which was named Ring magazine round of the year. It was not long after that victory that he converted to Islam and changed his last name from Franklin to Saad Muhammad.

Saad Muhammad's title defense against Lopez in a July 1980 rematch in McAfee, New Jersey, was an epic battle. Saad Muhammad scored a 14th round knockout to retain the title in what was later named fight of the year by Ring magazine. The eighth round was also named round of the year by Ring, giving Saad Muhammad rounds of the year two years in a row.

Saad Muhammad (39-16-3, 29 KOs) continued to fight until 1992 but never again reached his championship heights before his retirement and eventual 1998 induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Some record-keepers list Saad Muhammad's record as 49-16-3 with 35 knockouts.

Although Saad Muhammad earned nearly $5 million during his career, he was found to be broke and homeless on the streets of Philadelphia a few years ago. But with help he eventually got on his feet again and became an advocate for helping the homeless, including serving as a spokesman for the "Knock Out Homelessness" campaign.

"He always had an upbeat aura around him even though he was down and out financially," Peltz said.

[So this is love]

Wembley Stadium 80,000 people wow! where can I watch this fight?

[So this is love]

Wembley Stadium 80,000 people wow! ok tell me binnie who can or will beat Froch??

[vandeleur]

1 round out damn lol
Good fight with a great knock out .

[binnie]

Yeah, great fight. In fact, the whole undercard was good too.

James Degalle looked sensational - when he's focussed, he really is something else. I was also very impressed with Kevin Mitchel and Anthony Joshua (a heavyweight to believe in?)

There was nothing between Froch and Groves until the KO. Froch was just too tough. I suspect he'll push for a Julio Casear Chavez fight in Vegas now - easy night's work for Froch.

[binnie]

Wembley Stadium 80,000 people wow! ok tell me binnie who can or will beat Froch??

Well, Andre Ward took him to school - their fight was 12 round shut out. Interesting that in the long list of names mentioned as Froch's next opponent after the fight, Ward's name was absent. Kessler beat Froch once (Froch won a close rematch), and a third fight would be close. I'd also say that if Golvolkin came up from 160 he's pummel Froch, too.

Froch is a tough, tough dude with immense self belief. But show him speed and movement and he's in trouble. Can't deny he's one of the very best to watch though..

[vandeleur]

Mmmm scored it different binnie , thought groves first two and that's it and then became noticeable that he kept getting caught by the punch that finished him . I thought when grove caught him square in the 6 ? And froch shook it off and came straight back it was over for groves . He needed to land that punch when he wasn't tiring .

I think groves needed to swamp in the early rounds if he had a chance once he didn't it was always gonna be a froch finish .
To be honest I know froch destroyed bute but normally he grinds them to dust and I thought it would be a combination of shots that would finish it but what a punch . Didn't know froch had that in the locker.

I don't see froch going for degale. Why would he .
I think it's Vegas baby . He goes take on ward with one eye on his passport and new life if it doesn't work out .