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    Looks like Haye is "messin' with Sasquatch."
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    David Haye won on points!

    Finally, the end of Valuev - nice guy, but an embarassment to boxing. Haye did it one handed too (broke his right in round 2). Valuev barely laid a glove on him.

    Very mature performance from Haye, and if it hadn't been for the ref getting in the way in the 12th it might have been a KO.
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    Chad Dawson UD Glen Johnson.

    I actually thought that Johnson edged the fist fight, but Dawson left no room for doubt in this one. Slick boxing to a relatively unproblematic UD

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    5 days to Pacquiao-Cotto.

    Who are you picking?

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    5 days to Pacquiao-Cotto.

    Who are you picking?
    Pac-Man is the Energizer Bunny of boxing, but we've all seen Cotto get hit by a dude with bricks in his gloves and keep coming for 11 rounds, so should be interesting...

    I think Cotto's going to edge out the win...and betting he hits a little harder than Manny's used to...
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    My thoughts exactly J.

    I don't buy all the crap coming out of Manny's camp about him being distracted - that's just mind games. Nor do I buy all of th stuff about Cotto being a broken fighter - Clottey gives ANYBODY at 147lbs a hard nights work, and when the going got tough, Cotto edged out a win. That says that he still has mental toughness to me.

    Cotto needs to go back to his old 'brawler' style for this fight, and just drag Manny into a war. There's no point trying to outbox a guy who's significantly quicker. It is also worth nothing that Manny has been vulnerable to the body in the past, and Cotto is the best body puncher at 147lbs - I think that will be significant.

    In Miguel Cotto, Manny is not facing a slower than erosion David Diaz, weight drained self-parody of Oscar De La Hoya (who would have smashed both of these guys at his peak), or a one-dimensional Ricky Hatton. On Saturday, we find out just how good Manny is over 130lbs. It could be the birth of a legend; or, the bursting of a bubble.

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    I'm thinkin' it's going to be more along the lines of "bursting a bubble", especially if Cotto does significant body work - and he probably will....

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    I tend to agree.

    Manny does seem to have a lot of momentum about him at the moment, and speed kills. I just think that his recent bouts might have flattered him somewhat...

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    I agree guys. The only shot Manny has is to get in and get out with his flurries and then move away. If he stands in the pocket with Cotto and stays there, it is going to be trouble for him. The only thing is, if Manny comes out and goes slick boxer mode on Cotto and stays away in an effort to out-point Cotto, are people going to be dissapointed?

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    I think it will be a great fight, but at the same time it's almost inevitable that people will be dissappointed because there is so much hype.

    If Cotto allows Manny to box then he's in BIG trouble - he has to impose his power on Manny, he can't win a battle of speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    David Haye won on points!

    Finally, the end of Valuev - nice guy, but an embarassment to boxing. Haye did it one handed too (broke his right in round 2). Valuev barely laid a glove on him.

    Very mature performance from Haye, and if it hadn't been for the ref getting in the way in the 12th it might have been a KO.
    What did he do, drop a safe on him?
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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    If Cotto allows Manny to box then he's in BIG trouble - he has to impose his power on Manny, he can't win a battle of speed.
    I too think Manny's going into this one a little over-confident - and Cotto's power will be imposed if he lands ONE SHOT....

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    It's interesting that none of us are picking Manny, as he is the favourite with the bookies and pundits......

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    I'm kinda over Manny, what with the movie career, bad singing, even worse guitar playing, the political aspirations...even though he doesn't do the big mouth thing, he's more annoying than Floyd...

    Plus, seems like he's getting a little cocky, so would be funny to see him get knocked the F out...
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    Interesting. I'm a big Cotto fan because he fights everyone regardless, and doesn't make a big song and dance about it. Part of me thinks that a Manny victory is better for the sport - because it sets up Manny-Mayweather - but I think that Cotto deserves some good luck...

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Interesting. I'm a big Cotto fan because he fights everyone regardless, and doesn't make a big song and dance about it. Part of me thinks that a Manny victory is better for the sport - because it sets up Manny-Mayweather - but I think that Cotto deserves some good luck...
    I'd tend to agree regarding Manny-Mayweather being the bigger (possibly more interesting) fight -and it being better for boxing in general, but I too think Cotto deserves some good fortune...especially after the whole Margo-beaten-with-bricks thing...

    I still think if Cotto consistently works the body (and there's little chance he won't, unless Pacman jabs and runs all night) Manny is in TROUBLE...

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    5 days to Pacquiao-Cotto.

    Who are you picking?
    The only loss that Cotto has on his record is to a cheater. I know you don’t think so Binnie, but I truly believe that Margarito had his hands fixed for the Cotto fight like the way he did for the Mosley fight. Hell, I believe the Cintron fights as well!

    Cotto beat Mosley, so I think he will handle Manny pretty easily. So I’ll say, Cotto via TKO in round 10. Cotto will have just enough speed to catch up with Manny, and enough power to hurt him.
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    I tend to agree with you dude. I just think back to Cotto-Judah. Judah is as fast as anyone (Mayweather or Pacquiao) and Cotto broke him down. Judah may not have Manny's heart, but I still think the outcome will be the same.

    I actually think that Mosely-Cotto could have been scored either way - it was damn close. I think I'd pick Mosely in a rematch, actually....

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    So is it gonna be Mayweather-Pacquiao next?

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    Holeee shit. What an ass whupping.
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    What a phenominal fight. Cotto could not deal with the speed. What i cannot understand is how Pacman can continue to gain weight and keep his power.

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    So, I've finally seen this fight. I sat down to watch it on Saturday night (at 3am my time) and the fucking cable crashed! Boy was I pissed. So, since then I've avoided the sports pages, websites and this thread so that when I caught a re-run I wouldn't know the outcome.

    Manny looked phenomenal after the first round. It's not so much that he has immense power, its that he throws his shots from odd angles so that his opponents can't see them coming - it's always those shots that hurt guys. Cotto has never been a defensive wizz, and Pacquiaos speed exposed that brutally.

    I felt sorry for Cotto. He was getting absolutely no useful advice from his corner. After round 3, the pattern of the fight was set and no one in team Cotto had a clue how to change it. What a joke.

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    Don't be fooled by this though guys. Beating a guy like Cotto does not mean that Manny walks through Mayweather. Manny would have to find him first.

    I hope it happens. A fight with Mosely would also be very interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Don't be fooled by this though guys. Beating a guy like Cotto does not mean that Manny walks through Mayweather. Manny would have to find him first.

    I hope it happens. A fight with Mosely would also be very interesting.
    Exactly. Floyd is at LEAST as fast as Manny, and has far more overall boxing ability and savvy. That'll be an interesting fight, but unless Floyd suddenly gets OLD and (more importantly) slow, Manny will be baffled.

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    Kessler - Ward this Saturday.

    The last of the first round fights of the 'Super Six'. There is a lot of controversy about the choice of the three judges and ref at the moment - all are from California. This smells like a home-town fix to me. It's bad news for Kessler, as it might mess with his head going into the fight.

    I actually think that this is a harder fight for Kessler than a lot of people think. Mikkel doesn't look great against guys with great movement and speed, and whils Ward is no Calzaghe, he does have the ability to exploit Kessler's weaknesses. I expect Kessler to get hit a lot, and I wouldn't be totally surprised if Ward springs an upset.

    That being said, I'd still have to pick Kessler by later round KO. Ward has been hurt before, but he's never faced anyone with Kessler's power (Miranda didn't hit him.) Ward has to nullify Kessler's excellent jab to be able to compete in this fight.

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    I've got to go with Ward in this one. I will be cheering for Kessler but i just don't think he can catch Ward. Hopefully, i'll be wrong.

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    Good call Sonrisa - the fight ended on cuts in the 11th, with Ward taking the decision. I haven't seen it yet, as the cable company that bought the Super Six over here is inept, but from what I've read Ward was too quick and smoothered Kessler. Maybe Kessler's gotten old? Maybe he's never recovered from Calzaghe?

    There are some complaints about Ward's headbutting not really being 'accidental' - it is kind of hard to imagine 11 'accidental' headbuts in a fight! That being said, Kessler should have found a way to win.

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    Ok, so I've just watched it on youtube. A couple of observations:

    1) Ward impressed me. Pretty fast hands, good reflexes, good punch repetoire. Some of the reports overstated his working of 'angles' a la Manny Pacquiao or Joe Calzaghe, but he's certainly a raw talent. Many congratualtions to.

    2) Contrary to what the commentary team would like to think, the first half of this fight was no shut out. Ward was ahead, but Kessler had picked up a couple of rounds, IMO. The second and fifth, for sure.

    3) Kessler did not look himself. I am not seeking to detract from Ward's performance. Kessler looked flat, even gun shy. Why wasn't he throwing the right? Whether its the length of the layoff (only 4 rounds in the last 18 months!), the fact he gotten old, or a lack of preparation. I suspect the latter - it seems that Kessler had no southpaw sparring at all, which is suicide against a switch-hitter. Also, had his team watched any tapes of Andre, they'd have seen that he likes to hold (watch the Miranda fight.) Working on inside fighting should have been a crucial part of Kessler's prep. His corner was shocking - if he'd started to double the jab he'd have gotten himself more into this fight.

    4) Headbuts. I wouldn't call them deliberate, but they were certainly careless. Add that to Ward's hitting on breaks and excessive holding, and you have to wonder why he wasn't warned. Very smart use of rule bending on his part ot completely break Kessler's rhythm.

    5) From round seven, Kessler couldn't see. The cuts finished him. Against a guy who wasn't as fast and mobile as Ward it might have been less significant, but how the hell are you going to beat a guy that fast with only one eye?

    I hope that Kessler can bounce back from this, and I hope that this is the springboard for a great career for Ward. I have a feeling that only the latter hope will come true.

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    I agree with you. I think Kessler was just flat and under prepared by his camp. It was pissing me off when Ward kept holding and hitting. I would have liked to have seen Kessler use the same tactics and "fight fire with fire" so to speak by roughing Ward up as well. Totally agree on the double jab aspect. Props to Ward for being so ready and executing his game plan to perfection. I don't think Froch could even hit Ward. I think Abraham has the best shot at beating Ward because he has the speed plus the power and matches up better. I'm not saying Ward is the next Roy Jones but it is going to take someone's best effort to beat him.

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    I think you're right. Ward just became the man to beat - he can learn a lot from Dirrel if he comes to fighting Froch. Essentially, all he has to do is exactly what Dirrel did but with slightly more aggression and he'll win. Abraham is a different prospect, but Ward is much, much bigger and faster than him. I see a 12 round shut out if that fight comes off.

    The problem I see for Ward in this competition actually comes in his next fight: Jermain Taylor. He may well be done (I guess we'll find out), but he still has the boxing skills and handspeed to give Ward problems.

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    That is going to be a good fight. Taylor, despite his propensity for running out of gass, poses a good threat for at least the first 8-9 rounds. Think of what Taylor could have accomplished if he could actually fight 12 solid rounds. It is a shame. However, that is what makes Taylor's fights so exciting. I am really looking forward to that one.

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    Watched the Andrade-Bute and Guzman/Funique (sp?) fights last night...interesting Guzman pulled out a draw when the latter half of the fight he was basically blocking shots with his face, and was hurt a couple of times....

    I missed the first Andrade-Bute fight, but from watching that F*ed up count, Andrade got robbed in the first fight, and he basically knocked Bute on his ass twice for seemingly longer than a normal 10 count. But Bute destroyed him this time, using the premise "OK, we've seen you can take almost any shot to the head I throw at you. How 'bout we try the BODY this time?"

    The commentators indicated he may have busted a couple of Andrades' RIBS with the body shot that took him out; it was indeed kinda brutal. From the angle I saw, and where the punch appeared to land - looked like it more likely may have fractured his sternum....OW....

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8385217.stm

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    Nasty body shop from Bute, no doubt. I was impressed by Bute in this one but somewhat dissapointed that it ended so quickly. I thought Andrade was getting to him with some early shots that he was unable to do in the first fight. Anyway, it gave me time to get over and catch the John Molina fight. He ended up losing a unanimous decision in which he was given a thorough boxing lesson. All in all, it was a good boxing weekend. Just think, only 5 more days until we see Joe T make his prime time debut with his soul mate Mento.

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    Bute just went WAY up in my estimation. Andrade is renowned for being impossibly durable, so Bute must have some power we didn't know about. I think the problem was that Andrade just didn't see that left hand to the chin that caught him when they were on the ropes - its always the ones you don't see that hurt. The body shot was the icing on the cake.

    Bute is remarkably easy to hit, but I like the development I'm seeing. If Taylor drops out of the Super Six, he'd be a good replacement.

    Andrade is an unlucky guy. He definitely won the first fight. I wish him the best for the future, but I don't see him beating any of the top guys at 168. As for Guzman-Fukena, what a robbery. Guzman lost pretty much every round from the third.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post

    As for Guzman-Fukena, what a robbery. Guzman lost pretty much every round from the third.
    For sure.

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    Roy Jones - Danny Green is imminent.

    I imagine it will look a lot like Roy Jones - Jeff Lacy.

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    How wrong can you be?

    Roy Jones got stopped in the first round (I guess that the fight with Bhop is off.) Time to retire Superman. Without question, Roy is one of the greatest fighters ever. Losing all of the weight after he beat John Ruiz shot his body, and he's never been the same since.

    Congrats to Danny Green. A big right hand put Roy down, and then he failed to answer the barrage of blows against the ropes so the ref stopped it.

    Why do most great fighters go on too long?

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    Don't know how long this will stay on youtube, but here's the fight.

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    Roy looks old.

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    Wow, would not have expected that one to go that fast, or in that manner, especially after the way Roy took Jeff Lacy to school (he looked more like young Roy than a 40-yr old) in that last fight...

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    I saw the Bernard Hopkins fight last night and they showed the Jones fight afterward. They then talked with Hopkins and got his reaction. Hopkins said that he thought the Jones fight should not have been stopped and that a legend like Roy should have been given more of a chance to recover or go out on his back. Bernard also tried to make it out like the fight was stopped only because it was in Australia where the hometown guy was. This kind of pissed me off a little bit. I understand that Bernard was upset that his next payday was detoured, but to say that the fight shouldn't have been stopped? It looked to me like after Roy got up his legs still looked terrible and he was wobbling back toward the ropes prior to the finishing barage of punches. I agree Roy is a legend, but the images of his knockout losses to Tarver and Johnson loom large in people's mind. No one wants to see Roy get hurt and go out permanently affected. Anyway, Bernard went on to say that he thought the fight would still happen because Roy got tko'd instead of knocked out. I don't know anyone that would have paid to see the fight even if Roy had won, much less now.

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