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    A lil' David Haye Audley Harrison update.David Haye has caused outrage recently among women’s groups and rape victims hyping up his fight.He recently stated it would be “as one-sided as a gang-rape"(what was he thinking?).

    Turns out he was right.

    A gang rape where the victim doesn't even throw a punch...
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    So I was going to get the PPV of the Pacquiao-Margarito fight but missed it, probably wasn't worth the cash from what I hear...Manny did the Energizer bunny bit and Margarito couldn't catch him. Apparently PacMan got rocked once or twice, but otherwise turned Marg's face into hamburger and cruised to another relatively easy victory.
    Now Mayweather HAS to put up or shut up, since Manny is talking about retiring if he doesn't allow a fight between them to materialize. If this doesn't happen it will go down in history as the greatest fight that NEVER WAS, and that would be a shame.
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    Sergio Martinez landed the knock out of the year on Paul Williams this past Saturday night. Anyone that didn't see it needs to look it up immediately.
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    That was the knockout of the YEAR...Williams didn't even see that coming, and by all accounts was until that point dictating the pace of the fight, and had thrown Martinez off his game plan by being the aggressor...that was a WOW of a shot, and anytime the guy hits the canvas face first with his eyes still open you know he got ROCKED and is OUT...no way he was making the 8-count after that shot!

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    Right on man. I thought the dude was dead for a minute. Quite a scary moment.

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    Hey guys, sorry I've been away lately - crazy busy.

    Credit to Pacman again. I gave Margo two rounds. Manny's speed was too much - he was hurt a couple of times though. Does the annihilation of Cotto, Clottey and Margo mean he takes Mayweather? I don't think so - whilst Manny's performances have been sensational, all of those guys are considerably slower than him and very easy to hit. Mayweather is neither. I always think back to the Juan Maneul Marquez fights (I thought he edged Manny in both) and try and think about a really good BOXER that Manny has bested. I can't think of any. Will the fight happen? Once Mayweather and his trainer's legal woes are out of the way, and Manny finally agrees to random drug testing right up to the fight, it probably will do.

    Martinez is a beast. I think most of us actually gave him the first Williams fight (awarded a draw). That KO was sensational. Crushing Pavlik and Williams? It seems we finally have a great middleweight in our midst. Paul Williams should drop to 154 and clear up there: just think, Cotto, Clottely, Spinks, Mora, some big fights for him. Maybe he won't be so avoided now he been beaten handily.

    Haye-Harrison was a joke, as expected. Haye could have taken him out at any point. Vitali Klitschsko is interested, and I hope the Haye fight happens. I'm guessing Haye would prefer Wladimir first - despite being the better technician of the brothers, he does have the questionable chin and flaps when placed under pressure. That gives Haye a good chance. Vitali, on the other hand, is something of an iron man. What happens if/when he takes Haye's best shots and keeps coming? At present, I just don't see how Haye avoids Vitali's shots all night.
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    Big, big fights this weekend.

    Here's how I see 'em.

    1) Juan Manuel Marquez vs Michael Katsidis:

    Assuming he hasn't gotten old overnight, this is a comfortable victory for JMM. Katsidis has power and a fan-friendly warrior's style, but he'll get counterpunched to hell here - JMM too slick and evasive. Expect a late stoppage, possibly due to cuts.

    2) Andre Ward - Sakio Bika.

    I'm intrigued by this one. Ward doesn't have the power to stop Bika, but I expect him to win on points. Bika is a nightmare to fight, a really awkaward stylistst, and no-one looks good against him. I think he's too slow to cause Ward any real trouble, but it'll be interesting to see how Andre deals with a man who's prepared to use the dirty tactics back. Hey, a lucky punch could even cause an upset as I'm still not sold on Ward's chin. That being said, bigger punches than Bika (Miranda and Green) could find a chink in Ward's armour, and I expect Ward to eek out an ugly and well contested points victory.

    Arthur Abraham - Carl Froch.

    Should be a very good fight. Both guys are coming off losses: Froch in a war with Mikkel Kessler; Abraham in a disqualification against Dirrell (who was schooling him.) For my money, Froch is the more damaged, having shipped a lot of punishment from Kessler, Taylor and Pascall that must surely shorten his career. Dirrell may have laid out the template to beat Abraham, but Froch has not got the speed or movement to put in practice. So, this could be close. For my money, it's Froch's fight to lose - he has considerable size and reach advantages, and should just box behind his jab all night to a UD. Given his ego and a penchant for a brawl, he won't do this though. Trading with Abraham - who has caused both fighters he has faced in the 'Super Six' so far to have neurological problems - will be Froch's downfall. I'm going out on a whim and saying Abraham stops Froch late. This really is 50/50 though.

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    Well, I under-estimated Froch - he avoided trading and stuck to the jab and move. Shutout victory.

    Bloody impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post

    1) Juan Manuel Marquez vs Michael Katsidis:

    Assuming he hasn't gotten old overnight, this is a comfortable victory for JMM. Katsidis has power and a fan-friendly warrior's style, but he'll get counterpunched to hell here - JMM too slick and evasive. Expect a late stoppage, possibly due to cuts.
    This was a good fight. A damn good fight. Marquez goes down early, and gets up and whips the shit out of that Australian. That dude was out on his feet. Never went down though. They exchanged heavy hits the whole fight.
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    It was a really, really great fight. Marquez is a true great, IMO.

    Although I actually thought he edged Pacquiao in both of their fights, if a third fight is made at 147 he won't be competitive. It's too big for him.....

    Katsidis fought with real heart. He reminds me a lot of Gatti: all the heart in the world but just not enough ability to live with the A guys....

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    Fantastic weekend of fights. How about Jason Litzau scoring the 15-1 upset?
    Props to JMM and Froch. I never get tired of looking at Froch's girlfriend. Mama mia!
    Boy, if you thought Abraham looked bad against Froch, just wait until Ward gets a hold of him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    Fantastic weekend of fights. How about Jason Litzau scoring the 15-1 upset?
    Props to JMM and Froch. I never get tired of looking at Froch's girlfriend. Mama mia!
    Boy, if you thought Abraham looked bad against Froch, just wait until Ward gets a hold of him.
    Froch's girlfriend IS hot. He's becoming like Manny, though - I just want to see someone knock him on his ass, he's a bit too impressed with himself. JMM is an amazing counter-puncher; holy crap he was RIPPING that guy every time they traded, he's just amazingly accurate.

    Agree Ward will likely destroy Abraham judging by his lackluster performance against Froch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    Boy, if you thought Abraham looked bad against Froch, just wait until Ward gets a hold of him.
    Indeed - Ward HAS to be the favourite there.

    That being said, Ward does seem to favour fighting on the inside. I think that would be a mistake with AA - it will only take one shot from him, one of the hardest P4P punchers, to take Ward out. If I was in Ward's camp, I would be looking to use range and speed and stay the hell out of AA's way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    If I was in Ward's camp, I would be looking to use range and speed and stay the hell out of AA's way.
    For real. If you can be a sniper there is no need to walk up and shoot someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    For real. If you can be a sniper there is no need to walk up and shoot someone.
    Yep, so look for Ward to pick AA apart worse than Froch did from the outside...

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    Anybody catch the Khan-Maidana fight? Khan was KILLING him on points (and ripping him with sometimes 6-punch combinations!) until he got clocked with an overhand right in the 10th that wobbled him, then he pretty much ran for the majority of the last couple of rounds... dropped Maidana in the 1st with a vicious body shot. What was stupid is Khan didn't go back to the body after basically pulverizing the dude's liver with that shot...probably would've gone better for him in the long run, since it allowed Maidana came back in the later rounds. Though he still won the decision, it wasn't nearly as convincing as it could have been...

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    Agreed Jay. It did answer some niggling doubts about Khan's chin though.

    Khan is a great talent, no doubt, and Maidana is the first real challenge he's taken on. When he takes on the winnder of Bradley-Alexander we should be set for a real good fight.

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    Will Bhop beat Pascall?

    Surely he has to get old at some point?

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Will Bhop beat Pascall?

    Surely he has to get old at some point?
    He won on my scorecard. I don't think a majority draw is out of the realm of reason. I'm not sure how Tarver scored the fight for Pascall by two points though. If i was Pascall i would be scared to death of a rematch, especially if it were to be in Las Vegas. I don't think Pascall can get away with a rematch taking place in Canada again.

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    I had Bhop up by a point. Added to the fact that I'm not convinced that the first KD was legit, I think he won the fight. Like you say though SS, a draw is not out of the realms of possibility.

    I like Pascal, alway have; but getting taken to the limit by 45 year old man is humbling after beating on Dawson. Right now, a rematch with Bhop or a rematch with Dawson are his only options. After watching that fight, Dawson has a template with which to beat Pascal.

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    How do you guys see Cotto - Mayorga playing out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    How do you guys see Cotto - Mayorga playing out?
    I think Mayorga comes out as usual trying to be macho and giving up his chin too much. Then Mayorga tires and gets knocked out about round 6.

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    Anybody know anything about this guy Sergei Dzinziruk that Sergio Martinez is defending against Saturday?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    I think Mayorga comes out as usual trying to be macho and giving up his chin too much. Then Mayorga tires and gets knocked out about round 6.
    Yeah, I think Mayorga will get knocked the fuck out too. Dude is nuts if he thinks he's going to take on Manny. Speaking of the Energizer Bunny, think Mosely's the guy to finally beat him?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    I think Mayorga comes out as usual trying to be macho and giving up his chin too much. Then Mayorga tires and gets knocked out about round 6.
    I'm not sure about a KO that quickly, as I'm not convinced about Cotto's power at 154. I think Cotto will edge it, but Mayorga is a nightmare to fight. Manny Steward will hopefully have improved Cotto's defence, which has always been awful for a top tier fighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    Anybody know anything about this guy Sergei Dzinziruk that Sergio Martinez is defending against Saturday?
    He's a very good fighter - maybe a little raw at world level, but hungry. This won't be a cake walk for Martinez.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Yeah, I think Mayorga will get knocked the fuck out too. Dude is nuts if he thinks he's going to take on Manny. Speaking of the Energizer Bunny, think Mosely's the guy to finally beat him?
    Not any more. Shane is an old dude now, and the Mayweather fight ruined his confidence (I would argue that Floyd mentally ruins guys by toying with them so badly.) That being said, Shane is no weight-drained De la Hoya or Cotto, or a Margaritto coming off a very long lay off. Nor will he turn up for a payday like Clottey. Shane looked bad against Mora, but he's always struggled with slippery fighters who are taller - against Manny, he's getting what he likes: someone who comes at you and is there to be hit. Couple that to Shane's handspeed and considerable power, he may have some moments.


    There is a reason Freddie Roach kept Manny away from Shane for a long time. The reason he's taking the fight now is because he clearly thinks that father time is catching up with Mosely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Not any more. Shane is an old dude now, and the Mayweather fight ruined his confidence (I would argue that Floyd mentally ruins guys by toying with them so badly.) That being said, Shane is no weight-drained De la Hoya or Cotto, or a Margaritto coming off a very long lay off. Nor will he turn up for a payday like Clottey. Shane looked bad against Mora, but he's always struggled with slippery fighters who are taller - against Manny, he's getting what he likes: someone who comes at you and is there to be hit. Couple that to Shane's handspeed and considerable power, he may have some moments.


    There is a reason Freddie Roach kept Manny away from Shane for a long time. The reason he's taking the fight now is because he clearly thinks that father time is catching up with Mosely.

    Agree, and win or lose this just makes me want to see a Mayweather-Pacquiao fight worse... I saw Roger Mayweather accused Manny of doping again this week, btw.

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    It's all just hype to keep the 'fight' in the public eye.

    Mayweather will need a tune-up first I think. I really don't see how Pac beats him, however.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    It's all just hype to keep the 'fight' in the public eye.

    Mayweather will need a tune-up first I think. I really don't see how Pac beats him, however.
    Agree about the tune-up fight, and also about not seeing Manny having the skills to beat him.

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    Id really like to see Manny get past this, whoop Floyd, then Retire as the best this decade..he deserves it IMO, and Floyd was truly ducking him.
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    BTW If anyone is gonna shut Floyd's Yap, It could only come from Manny..he's the only elite fighter left for Floyd.

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    True 'dat. The only other guys out there are Paul Williams and Sergio Martinez.

    Williams and height and workrate might cause Floyd problems. i actually don't think the Martinez fight is makeable (Because Martinez is at 160), but people are talking about it.

    I actually think Floyd might toy with Manny - marquez gave Manny fits, and Floyd is a much faster and smarter boxer who could capitalize on Manny's errors. The only caveat to that I have is that Floyd has struggled a little with fast south paws in the past (Juddah)

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    Cotto looked good, very disciplined. TKO'd Mayorga in the 12th.

    Martinez looked amazing - totally dominant in KO'ing Dz.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Cotto looked good, very disciplined. TKO'd Mayorga in the 12th.

    Martinez looked amazing - totally dominant in KO'ing Dz.
    Haven't seen the Cotto fight yet, but not surprised at anything other than Mayorga lasting 12 rounds. The Martinez fight was great! That guy is seriously talented, just destroyed Dzinziruk, completely out-worked him - even out-jabbed him when that guy has supposedly one of the best jabs in the weight-class. Very impressive!

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    I actually think Floyd might toy with Manny - marquez gave Manny fits, and Floyd is a much faster and smarter boxer who could capitalize on Manny's errors. The only caveat to that I have is that Floyd has struggled a little with fast south paws in the past (Juddah)
    That's kinda how I see it going... Floyd being elusive and picking Manny apart; while working with Roach has turned him into a two-handed powerhouse, he's still pretty one-dimensional compared to someone with Floyd's (or Martinez' but agree don't see him getting to fight either of those guys) talent. And let's recall while I don't think anyone would disagree Juddah was never the same after the near-mid-fight-riot, he still got his ass kicked - Floyd had trouble with him early, but adjusted and dominated after.

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    Floyd also does not need to prove himself.I would love to see the fight though.For some reason i cant put my finger on,there is something i don't like about manny.Sure he is a good fighter but i don't actually believe his hype.As has been said is is pretty one dimensional,where as Floyd is as good a boxer as we are likely to see for a good long time

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    We're being a little hard on Manny. He may be limited defensively, but he's far rom one dimensional. No one could win belts at that many weights without being a phenomenal talent. Workrate, speed, and a dazzling array of punches make him a real buzz-zaw fighter, who would stand up in any era. His problem will always be boxers, however. He'll out warrior fighters every time, but guys who aren't there to be hit will be a problem.

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