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    Klitschko beats Haye by unanimous decision.
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    Indeed. What an anti-climax, even though no-one thought it would go to points.

    Haye is blaming a broken toe (which doesn't allow him to throw punches at maximum power). The fact of the matter is that he wasn't prepared to take the necessary gamble to fuck Klitschko up. Although I think the cards were a little generous to Klit, it was still his night.

    Klit looked shit tonight too. Manny Steward has proven that you can polish a turd. Wlad is very, very beatable. It's just that there's not a guy who has the hunger and balls to do it. Haye had the power and the speed, but he just didn't want to risk it.
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    Neither guy was doing anything effective - Wlad through a lot of shots, but Haye dodged most of them.

    Haye just wasn't throwing enough. Period. I believe him that the toe effected his ability to launch the right hand effectively. it's still no excuse though. Boxing is the business of pain - when you're getting over $20 for a night's work, suck it up. He landed a handful of peeches on Klits. If he'd thrown more, he'd have landed more. Simple.

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    Sorry guys. I went to sleep about round seven and i just woke up.
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    For all of the punishment these guys supposedly wanted to deal out on each other, the only ones who got beat up were the fans.

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    Vitali - Adamek will be a better fight.

    Vitali will beat the hell out of him, but it will be a better fight.

    In fact, Haye-Vitali will be a better fight - largely because Haye won't have to go looking for Vitali (who is wide open most of the time).

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    David Tua Is Next.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    David Tua Is Next.
    There you go. Maybe we can actually have a number one contender tournament. In Tua's bracket he can fight Sam Peter. Then you can also have a legend's side of the bracket with Ray Mercer fighting Bonecrusher Smith. Hell, we can even throw Haseem Rachman in there somewhere.

    I think a good fight would be David Haye against Chris Arriolla. That would be an all action fight and the winner could establish themself for a rematch for the heavyweight title vs Vitali.

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    Aside from fast hands and a big heart, I'm not sure that Arreolla is worth much.

    However, I like the idea of a heavyweight contender series. I imagine that the Klit brothers would like it too, as it would produce a programme who is fairly worthwhile.

    Sam Peter (who is pretty shot); Chris Arreolla; Eddie Chambers; Tony Thompson; Povetkin (in danger of becoming a never was); Sonowski (sp?); Adamek; and the winner of Derek Chisora-Tyson Fury. That's a decent line-up that might make some exciting matches.

    We're dreaming though, it won't happen.

    If I were Haye, I'd look at fighting Tony Thompson, Eddie Chambers, and Olandeer Solis in that order. If he beats all 3 convincingly, then he'd be credible again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    We're dreaming though, it won't happen.
    You are right. All we can do in the U.S. is dream about days gone by when we had a great American HW to offer. What used to be an ocean of talent that dominated the division from its inception has now turned into a barren wasteland.

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    That's true. But when was the last great American heavyweight in his prime?

    You've got to go back over 10 years to Evander. What the hell went wrong?

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    Wish i knew. I will have to defer to Larry Merchant for something philisophical.

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    Just re-watched the Foreman-Norton event. Ken says some interesting things here. As a person that grew up fighting and worked security many years I found it interesting. Link to the bout after that. Ali knew that the fight started when the fight started.




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    Any thoughts or predictions on the big fight coming up this weekend?

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    I think Khan will win. Probably on points.

    Judah certainly has the capacity to stun him. He as fast as anyone, and has genuine KO power. Amir's 'glass jaw' is exaggerated, but even his biggest fan would have to admit that his durability is a vulnerability. So Judah can win, and win dramatically. Indeed, with Pernell in his corner, he seems a more focussed, a more invigorated, and a more ellusive Judah.

    But in his previous two fights - as impressive as they were - he's not face anyone as fast, as relentless and as hungry as Khan. The longer it goes, the better for Amir. Khan on points.

    (There's a reason Team Khan took Judah over Bradley - and it's not because Bradley wanted more money.)

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    I should add to that. Judah is one of the most gifted fighters of his generation, at least physically.

    But mentally, he's never delivered.

    He's lucky the fight with Mosely never happened, because Shane would have battered him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    Any thoughts or predictions on the big fight coming up this weekend?
    Agree with Bin, probably Khan on points unless Judah pulls off something dramatic early.


    Any thoughts on the upcoming Mayweather-Ortiz fight? Ortiz hits hard, but like Judah cracks under pressure. And Floyd is not going to be there for him to hit. My prediction: Floyd potshots him all night, and once it gets to the later rounds and Vic sees his eyes are swelling up, he won't answer the bell...AGAIN.

    To be honest, though I think he's good, I kinda lost a little respect for Ortiz the night he did that. He wasn't getting KILLED, the swelling on his eye was not that bad and he wasn't even cut - he just didn't like the fact he was getting HIT. And Floyd WILL be able to hit him - at will, all night....
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    Mayweather-Ortiz might be a little more difficult than expected. I'm not sure Floyd ever has 'ring rust', but he's been out for a while and is coming back against a southpaw - never easy. Maybe the first couple of rounds could be interesting.

    As soon as Floyd adjusts, however, I expect a wide UD. Ortiz will touch the canvass a couple of times, too, as his balance is a work in progress. I don't think he'll quit, though - he's in the fight of his life, and has nothing to lose. His career can only progress, win or lose.

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    I'm down with Kahn by UD as well. I think it might be one of those fights where Judah has a lot of good rounds but i think Judah may get knocked down a couple of times and get tired as the fight goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if Judah wins the first half of the fight and then Kahn wins the second half with the additional knock down points on his side. If Judah gets a flash knockdown on Amir it could be close.

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    As for Mayweather - Ortiz, i am not going to believe it will be close until i see it with my own eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    As for Mayweather - Ortiz, i am not going to believe it will be close until i see it with my own eyes.
    Meaning you think Floyd will make short work of him, or vice versa?

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    Meaning Floyd will dance around him, make him miss and make him pay, I think.

    I think the first three rounds could be bumpy (by Floyd standards).

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    I don't want to come across as too hard on Judah. He has the speed, power and skills to beat Khan, and if he comes in focussed and primed he's the better fighter. But that 'if' has always dogged Judah, and that's why Roach took the fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    Meaning Floyd will dance around him, make him miss and make him pay, I think.

    I think the first three rounds could be bumpy (by Floyd standards).

    That's kinda what I think...he's got way more heart (and hand-speed) than Vic does, and vastly better skills overall.

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    The only reason I see Vic having any success is because of the south paw stance and Floyd's layoff.

    Other than that, he's just too easy to hit, has poor footwork and balance for the elite level, and has never faced a defensive fighter. He's younger than anyone Floyd's fought in a long time, but he's also greener too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    That's kinda what I think...he's got way more heart (and hand-speed) than Vic does, and vastly better skills overall.
    Absolutely. I don't see Vic having much of a chance. I certainly don't anticipate buying the ppv on the off chance that Vic will make it a decent fight and still lose a unanimous decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    I don't want to come across as too hard on Judah. He has the speed, power and skills to beat Khan, and if he comes in focussed and primed he's the better fighter. But that 'if' has always dogged Judah, and that's why Roach took the fight.
    That's kind of where i am at on it. He has the speed to light Kahn up but even with Kahn's supposed questionable chin, i don't see Judah being able to knock him out. I do see Kahn as able to knock Judah out. I suppose Judah could conceivably come in, use his speed and movement and try and win a decision by playing keep away. You have raised a valid point here previously about Judah's mental state in big fights. While i think it has been overhyped a bit by experts to an almost curse-like level, i think it is something that could come into play in that Judah may be fighting himself as well as Kahn. When he feels Kahn's power and it gets tough in there, is he going to pull the parachute so to speak? Too many factors to make me feel comfortable with picking Judah for sure. I hope for the boxing public's sake that it is a good competitive fight. There havn't been (imo) a lot of great fights this year and i would really like to watch one this weekend for a change.

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    Consider the rip chord pulled. Zab took the easy way out....again. What is funny is my son came to me when they were doing their ring walks and wanted to play hide and seek. I told him to give me 30 minutes tops. Sure enough i didn't even need that long.

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    I was out and missed the fight, but saw the highlight reel projected on the wall in a LA Hookah Bar... Just from the clip I saw it looked like he punched Judah in the nads...I was like "WTF?" Definitely want to check out the replay, because all indications are it wasn't as low or as bad as it appeared? Saw a bit of the after press-conference too where Roach said Khan was ahead on points on all the judges cards for every round?

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    It wasn't in the nads - it may have been slightly low, but not severely. Seems to me like Zab was looking for a way out. He was eating Khan's jab all night, and hadn't really been able to get off.

    Same old Zab: the mental game let him down. COuple that to te fact he was in with someone much younger, hungrier and as fast, and the deterioaration in his overv all abilities was clear.

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    I didn't think it was very low. Judah looked lost in there and quickly sqaushed any hope i had for a good fight. It was going to be a landslide victory for Kahn had Zab not quit.

    Did anybody see the Tarver fight? From what i saw it looked like he dominated, but the newsworthy aspect of it was that Tarver looked like he was the hunter with a much more aggressive style.

    At least we have Guerrero vs Maidonna to look forward to. That will be two guys with big hearts in a firefight. A definite fight of the year candidate.

    What would be the fight of the year candidates if it was decided today?

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    More sad news. Former heavyweight contender Scott LeDoux died at age 62. What a lot of people don't realize is that he, like Muhammed Ali, also had a wrestler vs boxer match on the undercard of Ali vs Antonio Inoki. LeDoux battled the legendary Andre the Giant in a losing effort.

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    R.I.P.

    I'd love to see footage of the Andre the Giant fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by binnie View Post
    R.I.P.

    I'd love to see footage of the Andre the Giant fight.
    From what i understand, Andre threw him out of the ring and he couldn't get back in by the count of 10.

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    Sounds like it was scripted.....

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    David Tua Fights This Weekend.

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    David Tua gets beaten this weekend. Monte Barrett has his number....

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    As predicted, Monte out-points Tua.

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    Watched the Cotto-Mayorga fight last night...Mayorga took the majority of Cotto's shots with no issues, lasted longer than anyone thought he would, until Cotto clocked him with a perfectly executed left hook....

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