It would appear that Chavez is in a quandry because he either keeps killing himself to fight at this weight or he moves up and gets killed by Ward and Froch.
It would appear that Chavez is in a quandry because he either keeps killing himself to fight at this weight or he moves up and gets killed by Ward and Froch.
RIDE TO LIVE, LIVE TO RIDE
LET `EM ROLL ONE MORE TIME
If he doesn't like that then turn his ass out into the general population. Maybe they will take turns fucking him until you can look up his asshole and see the sky.Originally Posted by Dave's Bitch
"Don't want 'em to get you goat, don't show 'em where it's hid." - David Lee Roth
I'm sure Lamp's ex-girlfriend would agree.
Oh yes 50 pages.Ain't it 'bout time we got a sticky?
I really love you baby, I love what you've got
Let's get together we can, Get hot
Totally agreeOh yes 50 pages.Ain't it 'bout time we got a sticky?
fuck your fucking framing
Fights this weekend:
Saturday, June 23 - Los Angeles, Ca (Showtime)
Victor Ortiz - Josesito Lopez (substitue for Andre Berto)
Humberto Soto - Lucas Matthysse
Saturday, June 23 - Hollywood, FL
Cornelius Bundrage - Cory Spinks
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.......wake me up with the results.
$5 says Ortiz gets frustrated and head-butts his opponent in the first 5 rounds...
If anything they should punish him for being Arum's little bitch for all these years.
I wouldn't be surprised by it, what a waste of decent talent, if he could ever get his head straight, of course that can be said for many athletes.$5 says Ortiz gets frustrated and head-butts his opponent in the first 5 rounds...
I think Floyd Mayweather should be the administrator of that beating...
I gave it a big bad sticky, hopefully they don't run me out of here for doing it lol
We can only hope that it happens, if for nothing else just to shut up all the PaqFraud fans, of course then their will be another fighter Floyd is "afraid" of, it never actually ends lolI think Floyd Mayweather should be the administrator of that beating...
True, but after watching him coast through the Bradley fight (yeah, he got robbed, but did he REALLY think taking the first 2 minutes of each round off was a good idea?), the more I'm convinced Floyd will school the F out of him. Yes, he's improved over the years, but compared to Floyd he's still a seriously one-dimensional fighter. All he does his come forward doing the Energizer bunny bit - and Floyd won't be there to hit. And if Floyd presses the offense, well...Manny can't fight backing up.
I'll be watching closely to see how Ortiz does on Saturday.
Think about it: a couple of years from now Floyd and Pacman will be retired. Who will be the man at 147 then? Ortiz is a safe bet - I see big fights with Bradley and Khan (when he moves up) in the future.
The Power Of The Riff Compels Me
I think Khan would hand him his ass if he could keep from getting caught with something big (Khan's chin isn't all that, as we've seen)...Bradley's determination might be too much for him...this is still the guy that quit in the middle of a fight when the going got really tough, recall....
Yeah, but I think he's proven himself since in that war with Berto.
Personally, I think Ortiz beats Khan - people underestimate Ortiz's speed of foot. He's also be stronger than Khan.
Still, I'm looking forward to all of these fights over the next couple of years.....
Agree he's improved since then, but his idiotic move in the Mayweather fight shows he's still got a ways to go overall... and I too look forward to watching them when/if they happen...
I fancy khan over ortiz.... i know am biased but in khan i see a fighter improving and i think once he gets his head around defendingi think he is gonna be around for a while ...
If he can avoid mayweather ... like the plague and wait for him to retire i see him doing good things ... not really ruling the roost but i see him giving good account of him self .. if he keeps improving.
I don't think Khan will improve his skill levels beyond what we see now. He's been a pr for 8 years - if he still has that amateurish defence it isn't going to change.
That being said, he'll always be up there with the best because of his freakish speed.
I was thinking more his defence and ring craft , his ability to slip punches ... He looks great attacking I just think he needs to tighten the defence ....
Saying that after watching the Peterson fight recently and how paq fought .. I did notice both did this only fighting for a 3rd of the round .... I wonder if it's some strange tactic roach has them doing ... Any thoughts ?
I say Ortiz beats Khan.Khan has very fast hands but his defence is awful.Ortiz would be able to cut off the ring and have Khan backing up most of the fight and that would spell the end for Khan.As i have said before Khan needs to learn to roll and use his jab to stay in control of his position.I could see the first few rounds being a war but as the fight progressed khan's lack of depth as a fighter would shine and Ortiz would be able to slip some nasty lefts through the glaring hole's in Khan's defence.Khan's below average chin would have him on the back foot and let Ortiz control the ring and let some serious offence fly.They faced each other in the amateurs i seem to remember and Khan won,But i always thought Khan was better suited to the amateur system.
Thanks to TFM_Dale for the sticky
As of late i have been calling Freddie Roach's ability into question.I mean this with all due respect to his illness,But in terms of boxing i don't think he is able to give his fighter's everything they need.He has his guy's fighting in close succession and i think he is spreading himself far too thin.There is no doubt he lives and breathes boxing and has been great for the sport but it is probably time he brought in some more help.His fighter's do not seem to be able to adapt to any situation the way they should and he does not seem to give them the best advice in between rounds.Just look at the Bradley fight.I thought Manny had it on point's but one of the first rules of boxing is do not let it go to the judges.Roach should have told him to step up his production and not throw such wild punches.He does not seem to have a plan B at all
If ANYTHING cost Manny that fight, it was the coasting through the rounds...sometimes a flurry at the end can steal a round, but that can't be your ENTIRE gameplan. If he'd been more active, no way could that decision gone to Bradley.
Mayweather wants to hope none of his house mates see the forbes list .... they may want more than a reach around
Floyd Mayweather knocks Tiger Woods off the top of Forbes list
Floyd Mayweather has overtaken Tiger Woods at the top of Forbes magazine's list of the 100 highest-paid sports personalities over the past year.
Boxer Mayweather, currently serving a three-month jail sentence for domestic assault, made $85m (£54.25m) - a figure bolstered by promoting his own fights.
Golfing legend Woods dropped to third having received $59.4m (£37.92m) with boxer Manny Pacquiao rising to second on earnings of $62m (£39.57m
Forbes list of highest paid sports stars
1 Floyd Mayweather $85m (£54.25m)
2 Manny Pacquiao $62m (£39.57m)
3 Tiger Woods $59.4m (£37.92m)
4 LeBron James $53m (£33.84m)
5 Roger Federer $52.7m (£33.64)
6 Kobe Bryant $52.3m (£33.38m)
7 Phil Mickelson $47.8m (£30.51m)
8 David Beckham $46m (£29.36m)
9 Cristiano Ronaldo $42.5m (£27.10m)
10 Peyton Manning $42.4m (£27.06m)
I think Floyd is probably the best fighter of this era but in my eyes he is no Sugar Ray Leonard. Before everyone jumps on me and compares records, just tell me who Floyd's comparable opponents would be to Duran, Hearns and Hagler.
Man there Is no one like sugar ray .. Those fights were golden
It's hardly his fault though, is it? You can only beat who they put in front of you.
It's the same with the revisionist history on Mike Tyson - 'who'd he beat when he was in his prime?' There wasn't anyone for him to beat when he was in his prime (although the US heavies in the 80s shit all over the US heavies today, but that's another story).
Sometimes it's not who you beat, but how you beat them. We have to remember that Floyd is not a 147lbs fighter. He was at his best at 130lbs - watch those fights (Corrales, for instance) and you are witnessing one of the greatest ever to lace 'em up. If Floyd would be a tough opponent for the best there ever was at 147, he'd be too much for those at 130 (and probably 135, although he didn't stay there long).
Sugar Ray was an incredible fighter - but he was also provided the stage to shine on by taking those fights (personally, I think he best victory was Benitez, who was tougher than those guys in many ways because he could move). However, think about some of the guys Floyd has beaten at the higher weights:
Oscar De La Hoya (Hall of Famer, and Floyd stepped up in weight to beat him)
Miguel Cotto (ditto - and a tough SOB)
Diego Corrales
And then there's a long list of excellent fighters who he DOMINATED. If the Pacman fight happens and Floyd wins, that would be as significant as any of SRL's wins. Martinez at 154 would also be a good scalp.
I see it like this: pound for pound, Floyd is a better fighter than SRL ever was, but if they'd actually met at 147 SRL would have won (because he's naturally the bigger guy).
Floyd has some good name's on his record but i doubt any are comparable to Duran, Hearns and Hagler.The thing is though given enough work in training camp I could see Floyd having a win over each of these guy's.Taking nothing away from any of them i am a fan of all.Hagler and Hearns are two of my favourite boxers.I think Hearns might give Mayweather the most trouble there.
Erm, I can't see Floyd in with Hagler, to be honest. Way too much - Hagler was a career middleweight. There's certainly a argument to be made that from a pound for pound perspective Floyd is superior, but not head to head. I'd say the same with Hearns and Leonard - these guys were much bigger than Floyd, who started life off at 130.
Duran, now that's an interesting proposition. Duran was something else, especially at those lighter weights, and I'd love to see him and Floyd at 135 - I suspect Duran wins, but I'm not adverse to the idea that Floyd is too fast and out thinks him.
But at 147, Hearns is the real problem for Floyd. Too tall, and he could move too.
Hearns was built like a freak.I think he get's overshadowed by Sugar Ray sometimes and people forget just how good he was.I would love to see a Floyd - Duran fight as they could pretty much have what ever the hell weight you want.I think weight would be a big factor in the winner of that one.With regards to Hagler,I was hesitant to include him in there,Perhaps I should not have.Hagler was a monster
How in the name of cunt did he manage that when he played about the same amount of football I did last year?
Joke - it's refreshing...
You are so lucky I'm not a feminist
He sells underwear, perfume, pens, and any other crap he put his name on....
Not sure I agree binnie but you put your arguement across really well as always .
I think it's tough comparing fighters from different generations and different weights compounds that .
I think the bottom line if there is one is that as u say a boxer is defined by the people he beats and the class of the opponents around at the time .
It's a bit like the Holmes era ...he held the belt at the time for the longest undefeated run if I remember right but who cares as it was post Ali Frazier forman norton etc etc which when u think back is pretty unlucky for Holmes ..... Mayweather while being a better boxer than srl and beating every one he has fought that isn't the same as having a monster like Haglar On your belt .... The more we talk of this Mayweather needs a PAC scalp ...
And. Besides all this srl was doing lots of press here earlier in the year and he was a honest articulate genuine guy ... For a man who chins people for a living
Larry Holmes is/was vastly underappreciated.
I'd say he's a top 3 ATG heavyweight.
I think that is a fair assessment. You can't fault a guy like Larry Holmes for never fighting the caliber of an Ali in his prime. I think these kind of debates are why i love this thread so much.
I'll tell you what, there is a case for Larry beating a prime Ali. Who did Ali fight who could BOX like Holmes. That damn jab, man.
He would have given any version of Ali - and any heavyweight in history - fits.
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