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    Originally posted by DlocRoth
    I'm taking Cotto there too....

    #1 He's the younger, better fighter....

    #2 I never got into Shane...for some reason, I'm always rooting for the other fighter in all his fights.
    Well, I've always been a huge Shane fan because of his speed and footwork, but I can see that he's not the kind of guy that makes people root for him. The age is the key reason why I'm picking Cotto, that and the fact he's hungirer, added with the fact that Mosely hasn't fought at 147 for a while and hasn't fought anyone in Cotto's league for years.

    I see Cotto being too young and durable and wearing Mosely down. Cotto's a slow starter, so Shane will probably take the first 3 or 4 rounds and then be slowly ground down. I can't see Cotto landing shots cleanly enough on Shane to stop him, so I'd go for a points victory.
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    Yeah, I don't see a KO.....

    Might be a boring ass fight....

    But that's not stopping me from catching it.
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    I don't think it'll be boring as Cotto is involved!

    Might not be the classic it's being halied as though...

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    Kessler was tight, he respected Calzaghe's power where he really didn't have anything, and got outboxed.

    I had it 116-112 for JC, and Kessler just didn't have it tonight.
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    Just watched Calzaghe-Kessler.

    Fuckin' great fight! Wasn't a "war" but it was never going to be: Kessler never gets involved in out-and-out punch ups, he's a banger but he uses his power from boxing. This was a fascinating fight, a fight fans fight rather than an awe-inspiring feat of endurance.

    With the exception of the 4th and the 12th (which Joe gave away) Kessler really didn't do much. He managed to get some big shots off, but only one at a time.

    Calzaghe is the fuckin' man: surely the greatest middleweight of all time, and now surely in the top 5 pound for pound fighters in the world. His speed was the crucial factor, and he was clearly punching harder than Kessler expected. Kessler just couldn't adapt to Calzaghe's style: as soon as Joe worked out that he could drive Kessler back through boxing rather than coming forward (as he did to his dteriment in the 4th) then it was game over.

    Calzaghe has nothing left to prove at 168: unless Jermain Taylor or Kelly Pavlick move up then I think Joe will step up to 175. Jermain Taylor would get demolished like Lacy as all he can do is come forward. Pavlick wold be harder because he can create angles.

    But bring 'em on, bring on fuckin anyone: including Bernard Hopkins. Now that would be fascinating!

    Can y'all tell I'm buzzing? My boy just put on another boxing master-class.

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    If Kessler can recover from this (mentally) then he will dominate 168 for a long, long time. Once again, I don't see Pavlick or Taylor proving any problem for him: his handspeed is incredible, and he throughs straight punches with BIG power in either hand.

    His face is pretty badly marked up, and he didn't like body shots, bu Kessler is an the man at this division for the future. I also think that he could beat most of the guys at 175, Hopkins aside.

    In the post-fight interview he also showed himself to have real class: no bad-mouthing, no excuses, just humbility in defeat.

    With all the skills he has, he can beat the shit out of anyone - except Calzaghe of course!

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    Originally posted by ALinChainz
    Kessler was tight, he respected Calzaghe's power where he really didn't have anything, and got outboxed.

    I had it 116-112 for JC, and Kessler just didn't have it tonight.
    I had it 117-111, so we saw it pretty much the same. Kessler did perform badly, he's just never faced anyone as fast as Joe, or anyone who could back him up (after round 5 when JC started to box, it was pretty much game-over for Kessler).

    I have to respect Mikkel for not giving up and showing great concetration and patience - the shots he caught JC with in the later orunds were the product of his heart and patience. He will be a great champion if he wants to be: he'll kill Taylor, Pavlick, Lacy or Lucien Bute. He's too powerful and too fast on his feet.

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    Would seem both are ready for light heavy and 175.

    Although I think JC might have some options that Kessler will have to work for now.

    JC wants Hopkins, and would give him trouble.

    This fight was a downer because Kessler let the pressure get him, I couldn't shake the feeling that the lack of a "big fight" beat him before the opening bell.

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    Originally posted by ALinChainz
    Would seem both are ready for light heavy and 175.

    Although I think JC might have some options that Kessler will have to work for now.

    JC wants Hopkins, and would give him trouble.

    This fight was a downer because Kessler let the pressure get him, I couldn't shake the feeling that the lack of a "big fight" beat him before the opening bell.
    I thought this was a fascinating fight - not an all out war but I knew it wouldn't be as Kessler doesn't fight like that and knew that if he stood toe-to-toe with Joe, or came forward at him, he would get hit too many times. It was fascinating because of the boxing skills on display.

    I thought the first six rounds were as good as I've seen in years. Within each round one guy would get the upper hand, and then the ohter would snatch it back. Right up until round seven it couldhave gone either way, even if Calzaghe was edging ahead.

    I think the "big fight" nerves were part of it but I would have expected them to have been more of a factor early on. I would say that Kessler looked confident going into the ring though, he didn't look overwhlemed. The problem was that between rounds 7-11 he didn't know how to counter joe's speed and allowed himself to be put on the back foot (he can't fight going backwards). It was at this point that he started to look a little out of his depth.

    Still think that Mikkel will acheive great things though.

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    Cotto-Mosely next week, what a month for boxing!

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    Ok, big fights this coming Saturday. Here are some predictions@

    Mosely-Cotto.

    I've said a couple of times that I'm picking Cotto for this, and I stand by it. However, I'm not as confident as I was. Cotto's questionable jaw comined with Mosely's speed, accuracy and power don't make for a happy Latino night! That been said, Cotto has always managed to pick himself up before. For me Cotto still wins, and gets stronger as the fight goes on, wearing Sugar Shane down. In his youth, Mosely would have walked this but a combination of age, not having fought at 147 for years and not having an opponent of this calibre for quite some times makes for a bitter night for the sweet one.


    Carl Froch- Robin Reid.

    This is for the Birtish 168 titile. Froch is no.1 contender for the WBC Super Middlesweight title and wants Joe Calzaghe badly. Reid is the former WBC super-middle weight champion (he won it 9 years ago) who pushed Joe Calzaghe has close to losing as nayone has (albeit largely because Joe boxed like shit, not because Reid was amazing.) Both are massive punchers. Reid's last noticalbe outing was 2005 against Jeff Lacy where some questionalbe refereeing made "Left-hook's" night a lot easier. Reid was stopped in the 8th. For me, Froch wins this with a late stoppage. Although Froch has questionable defence, I don't think that Reid is quick enough to capitalize on it these days. Should be a war in the early rounds, but the 36 year old Reid will eventually be worn down.

    David Haye - Jean Marc-Mckormack (yes, I've spelt it incorrectly)

    This one is for the Cruiserweight title of the world. once again both are big hitters. Haye has the advantage of youth, but has a glass jaw (why he's intneding to move up to heavyweight after this I'll never know...). Mckormack is a brutal fighter, and for all Haye's power and range fighting ability, I see the Mckormack taking him to the trenches and winning either by late stoppage or on points.

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    Ok, Carl Froch beat the shit out of Reid, who was clearly a shot fighter.

    Just finished watching Haye-Mccormack. Depsite the Frenchmen posing Haye problems early on, Haye knocked him out in spectacular fassion. Brutal.

    Haye is going to move up to heavywieght, and with his punching power he might actually do something. I was really impressed with him tonight.

    If he relinquishes the WBA and WBC titles which he's just won, it'll blow the Cruiserweight division wide-open. Good times.

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    Cotto-Mosley was a great fight. Cotto won on points by three rounds, I was impressed by his chin and jab, and surprised that he was head hunting rather than working to the body.

    Mosley put up a good fight, but his hands and feet aren't as fast as they used ti be. He's still a guy to be reckoned with, but he was worn down by Cotto's relentless stalking. Not the out and out war we were expecting, but a good fight nonetheless.

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    Antonio Margarito was on fire - decked Golden Johnson in one round. He'll be back at the top of the welter's in no time.

    I thought that Casamayora was lucky to get the points win - he looked old in his fight and didn't seem to want to be there. He is no longer the best lightweight in the world.

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    I was really impressed with Mosley.....he still has damn good skills....

    I had Cotto winning, but I was never relaxed.....

    Mosley hurt him a couple of times.......

    A great fight.

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    And Casamayore got his ass kicked for 12 rounds......

    I haven't seen too many bigger highway robberies than that.

    Dreadful.

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    Originally posted by DlocRoth
    And Casamayore got his ass kicked for 12 rounds......

    I haven't seen too many bigger highway robberies than that.

    Dreadful.
    Yeah, I thought he lost the last seven rounds at least. He was a legend but he's clearly gotten old over night.

    Originally posted by DlocRoth
    I was really impressed with Mosley.....he still has damn good skills....

    I had Cotto winning, but I was never relaxed.....

    Mosley hurt him a couple of times.......

    A great fight.
    Mosley's skills are still good, but his hands and feet aren't as quick as they once were and he doesn't bang as hard either (maybe the effect of moving down a weight?). He also looked tired from about the 7th

    He is still a force to be reckoned with though, and I'm not taking anything away from Cotto by saying that he fought a past his prime fighter: Shane isn't shot by any means, but he's not the man who beat De La Hoya either.

    Cotto should take on either the winner of Mayweather-Hatton, or the winner of Cintron-Williams. Both would be good fights.

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    Here's David Haye knocking out Jean Marc McCormeck in rd 7. Powerful as hell.

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    See, I don't know....

    I'm not disagreeing with you, Bin....

    But I thought Mosley looked strong....just not strong enough to beat Cotto.....

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    Oh, he definately looked strong - he's not a shot fighter by any means.

    But he's not what he used to be either: his hand and foot speed was noticably slower, and his power isn't as devastating. But he is still a world-class fighter, and would have beaten many other world-class welterweights. What I'm trying to say is, he's not the man who beat De la Hoya (luckily for Cotto), but he's still good enough to be amongst the best in the division.

    I'm not taking anything away from Cotto, he beat a legend. Cotto is also getting better and better - his jab looked great, as did his movement. He still seems a little easy to hit, and if he tightens his defence a little then he will be a real force for quite some time.

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    Cotto's jab looked amazing...yep.

    And youre right about Mosley....

    When at one time you're considered for pound for pound status......

    Anything less is uncivilized.

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    Originally posted by DlocRoth


    When at one time you're considered for pound for pound status......

    Anything less is uncivilized.
    Yep. Mosley would still have a competitive chance in a rematch, not that it'll ever happen. He's still in amongst the best fighters in the world, but he's probably only got 18 months to two years left.

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    Well, there's plenty of chatter about Hopkins-Calzaghe. Hopkins has said he'll give Joe a facelift.

    That made me laugh, as Hopkins has never given anyone a facelift: he's a boxing master, a technician, not a brawler. If I'm honest, I don't think this fight will happen because of $$$$: Hopkins wants the big paydays, and probably realizes that he'll get more by fighting the winner of Jones-Trinidad (which will be Jones, no question.) Seems to me that would be a pointless fight - neither Jones or Trinidad is a force is boxing anymore.

    However, Roy Jones has also called Calzaghe out. Don't see that happening either. Not much point if it did anyway.

    I actually think BHop-Calzaghe would be an intriguing fight. It's wouldn't be explosive because Hopkins fights so negatively. Depsite the fact that Hopkins if arrogant, annoying, brash, generally uninformed and consistently refers to himself in the third person (nothing quite screams "I'm an asshole" more than that) I have to admit that he has one of the best boxing brains EVER. And given the fact that he is still competitive at 43, I have to give him respect.

    Calzaghe-Hopkins should happen, but I doubt it will.

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    Did anyone see Guzman kick the living shit out of Soto for 12 rounds on Saturday? I was expecting a close fight, but it was incredibly one-sided. Soto just couldn't hit him consistently.

    Very impressive. Guzman could do something spectacular if he gets the right fights....

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    The fight was close for maybe 4 rounds....a real slug fest.

    Soto got worn out and then pounded.

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    Originally posted by DlocRoth
    The fight was close for maybe 4 rounds....a real slug fest.

    Soto got worn out and then pounded.
    I really enjoyed it too. Heavyweight's aside, boxing is in great shape at the moment....

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    The buzz on the internet is that Hopkins is not going to fight Calzaghe. He's banking on Jones beating Trinidad (which he will) and re-living 1993.

    Shame.

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    Bigger money must be, JC isn't a name anywhere but home still in my opinion.

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    Originally posted by binnie
    He's banking on Jones beating Trinidad (which he will) and re-living 1993.

    Shame.
    A friend and I were debating that yesterday, and we ended up agreeing Jones may have the edge over Trinidad.
    But neither of them are what they once were...
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    Originally posted by jhale667
    A friend and I were debating that yesterday, and we ended up agreeing Jones may have the edge over Trinidad.
    But neither of them are what they once were...
    Nope they certianly aren't. This will be too heavy a weight for Trinidad, and he's fought so infrequently over recent years that he will be a shadow of his former self, IMO

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    Originally posted by ALinChainz
    Bigger money must be, JC isn't a name anywhere but home still in my opinion.
    Money is probably part of it: despite Joe now been ranked 2nd or 3rd on some Pound for Pound lists, I doubt that he's much of a household name Stateside. Having said that, HBO wants this fight, so you never know.

    I think the other issue is that Hopkins knows that he would be in for a much easier night against Jones or Trinidad (it will be Jones). Roy is shot now, and Hopkins will be able to beat him in a chess match with relative ease: that might make his pain from 1993.

    Calzaghe would push Hopkins to the limit, why risk that? He didn't want to fight him 3 years ago (he doubled his asking price), so what's changed now? It makes perfect business sense for Hopkins - if he loses, then he pretty much has to retire, so he may has well take a bigger payday and an easier night?

    I don't see Pavlick stepping up for JC either: he might as well dominate the middleweights until he can't get down to 160lbs. I would.

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    Originally posted by jhale667
    A friend and I were debating that yesterday, and we ended up agreeing Jones may have the edge over Trinidad.
    But neither of them are what they once were...
    Tito has been washed up since forever.....his last viable fight was the split decision over De La. That was a great fight, whomever anyone decided who won it.

    He disappeared after that.


    Roy Jr.? Who the fuck wants to watch him fight anymore?

    Boooooring.

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    Originally posted by DlocRoth
    Tito has been washed up since forever.....his last viable fight was the split decision over De La. That was a great fight, whomever anyone decided who won it.

    He disappeared after that.


    Roy Jr.? Who the fuck wants to watch him fight anymore?

    Boooooring.
    Yeah, it's just a money fight, more soap opera than boxing. Roy hasnt been the same since he came down from heavyweight, it clearly fucked his body. And we now know that his chin isn't fantastic. BHop would walk a rematch, IMO...

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    Vargas - Mayorga this weekend. Not a very important fight, and both are well past their prime, but given that they both loathe each other this may be well worth watching. I'll go with Vargas to win, but it'll be close.

    Also Kermit Cintron is defending his welterweight belt against Jose Feliciano. Cintron should walk it, I think he has the potential to be the best in the division if he puts the effort in and keeps developing like he has in his last couple of fights. It's all about how bad he wants it I guess: like Paul Williams, nature has given him some significant advantages (height, power..)

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    I've always liked Vargas....I'll take him too...

    Mayorga really isn't all that....never was....

    Aside from him owning what's his name, who owns Sugar Shane who owns De La....lol....he doesn't impress me all that much.

    Bot of em are washed up though, agreed.

    But I'll be watching it,

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    If memory serves, it goes something like this....


    Mayorga beat Vernon Forrest in 2003 and Forrest later beat Mosely. However Mayorga was whooped by Trinidad and De La Hoya. He was also beaten by Cory Spinks of all people.


    Vargas beat Winky Wirght and Ike Quarterly, but was beaten by Trinidad, De La Hoya and Mosely (twice.)

    Both are under-achievers. But I think this will be a competitive fight, given the mutual dislike.

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    Well, I got one right and one wrong.

    Cintron pummelled Jose: he didn't "walk it", and I have major respects for Jose's durability.

    Mayorga won. It was close, and a good fight. Not too sure where he goes from here though...

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    Is everybody of the opinion that Mayweather will beat Hatton?

    My heart wants Ricky to win but my head knows that its incredibly unlikely. I think that the fight will be closer than a lot of the pundits seem to think, but I can't see Floyd failing as I expect him to stay out of the way most of the night.

    If he gives Ricky half a chance though, he'll be in trouble....

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    I agree with you...Floyd will try to win on points while running from Ricky for the entire fight.
    If he attempts to stand and trade with Hatton, he's in serious trouble...

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    Originally posted by jhale667
    I agree with you...Floyd will try to win on points while running from Ricky for the entire fight.
    If he attempts to stand and trade with Hatton, he's in serious trouble...
    Yep. I actually hope Hatton manages to pin him down so Pretty Boy has to fight a bit, otherwise it could be a dull fight....

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