The Army Boxing Thread

[POJO_Risin]

Fucking shitty fight...exactly why boxing is going down the fucking shitter...

All this build up...and it fucking ends like that. Had I actually paid for that fight...I'd never pay again...

The end of boxing...fucking pay-per-view...

Get rid of it...and boxing would catch fire again. Such is life...money ruins everything...

As for Ortiz...shitty...shitty deal...and as for the "KO"...equally shitty...

then to watch that whore hammer an 80-year-old...

I'm sorry...there's brilliant marketing...and there's being a cunt...that's being a cunt...

I hate foreign boxers...but I fucking hope upon all hope that Pac-man gets the fight...and jackhammers Mayweather into oblivion...and I can't stand Pacquiao...

[POJO_Risin]

I was thinking about getting the fight tonight.

So I looked into it and 70 bucks? WTF?

Fuck that shit. Floyd is rich enough.

That said, Floyd is gonna destroy Ortiz. UD.

Fucking 70 bucks...seriously!?!...

That's fucking Haglar-Hearns money...

[jhale667]

I hate foreign boxers...but I fucking hope upon all hope that Pac-man gets the fight...and jackhammers Mayweather into oblivion...and I can't stand Pacquiao...

Definitely no need for Floyd to have taken the shot when he did, he was wearing Ortiz down anyway...I think he was pissed about the butt, but it does come down to him being a cunt...Merchant's comment was priceless, though...

[SunisinuS]

Fair Fight.

There are boxers and there are fighters. Both boxers followed the rules and the better fighter won.

I never lightly step away from a clench or a break. If I do....I open myself to getting clocked. Boom.

I don't look to the referee in a fight. Bad Idea.

[fifth element]

Fair Fight.

There are boxers and there are fighters. Both boxers followed the rules and the better fighter won.

I never lightly step away from a clench or a break. If I do....I open myself to getting clocked. Boom.

I don't look to the referee in a fight. Bad Idea.

bad idea to put oneself in a potion where it is up to a referee to call the match.

[binnie]

Fucking shitty fight...exactly why boxing is going down the fucking shitter...

All this build up...and it fucking ends like that. Had I actually paid for that fight...I'd never pay again...

The end of boxing...fucking pay-per-view...

Get rid of it...and boxing would catch fire again. Such is life...money ruins everything...

As for Ortiz...shitty...shitty deal...and as for the "KO"...equally shitty...

then to watch that whore hammer an 80-year-old...

I'm sorry...there's brilliant marketing...and there's being a cunt...that's being a cunt...

I hate foreign boxers...but I fucking hope upon all hope that Pac-man gets the fight...and jackhammers Mayweather into oblivion...and I can't stand Pacquiao...

I think you've hit the nail on the head: even though it was technically legal, Floyd didn't NEED to do it. It's the fans who get robbed. Floyd had won pretty much every second of every round up to that point: it's not his fault he's on a different level to everyone he faces, but it sure makes the sport a little duller.

I've always said that I don't like Mayweather the man; but I admire Mayweather the boxer. Sure hope the Pacquiao fight happens, but I really can't see Pacman being successful if it does. Ortiz is a fast, powerful and relentless fighter in his prime who was 14lbs heavier than Mayweather in the ring: and a 34 year old Floyd made him look shit.

I think Floyd knows that a lot of people fork out to watch him get beaten: consequently, it makes him more money to play the villain.

Not sure why you 'hate foreign boxers': seems to me that many of the ATG have not been American. Duran, Casaer Chavez, Lewis, Sanchez, Pacquiao, Moralles, Barrera......the list is a long one. In Mayweather, we have witnessed a genuine ATG and P4P talent (especially at the lower weights). What boxing REALLY needs, however,is an exciting and talented American heavyweight. That's the keystone of the whole sport.

[jhale667]

PacMan can't do it either...

I think you've hit the nail on the head: even though it was technically legal, Floyd didn't NEED to do it. It's the fans who get robbed. Floyd had won pretty much every second of every round up to that point: it's not his fault he's on a different level to everyone he faces, but it sure makes the sport a little duller.

I've always said that I don't like Mayweather the man; but I admire Mayweather the boxer. Sure hope the Pacquiao fight happens, but I really can't see Pacman being successful if it does. Ortiz is a fast, powerful and relentless fighter in his prime who was 14lbs heavier than Mayweather in the ring: and a 34 year old Floyd made him look shit.

I think Floyd knows that a lot of people fork out to watch him get beaten: consequently, it makes him more money to play the villain.

Not sure why you 'hate foreign boxers': seems to me that many of the ATG have not been American. Duran, Casaer Chavez, Lewis, Sanchez, Pacquiao, Moralles, Barrera......the list is a long one. In Mayweather, we have witnessed a genuine ATG and P4P talent (especially at the lower weights). What boxing REALLY needs, however,is an exciting and talented American heavyweight. That's the keystone of the whole sport.

I too just can't see PacMan beating Floyd, especially at a time when (sucker punch or not) he's DESTROYING bigger, stronger fighters with hand-speed that rivals Manny's (but still can't touch Floyd's). Pac would attempt to overwhelm Floyd just like Vic did, and also will come up short. In watching that again, Floyd's timing and accuracy with the right was impressive (not to say it usually isn't) be he was drilling Ortiz AT WILL with it...also thought it was funny, I think Vic realized he'd fucked up the instant after that butt; he sounded just like a little kid when he sheepishly said "I'm sorry" to Joe Cortez after the warning/point reduction. He was so apologetic he was STILL apologizing after Cortez - if you watch around 0:32-:33 gives the hand-signal to resume, but never says "BOX!" out loud because he immediately got distracted - which you also TOTALLY see Floyd notice and, to his credit for blindingly fast reaction time - nailed Ortiz twice a nanosecond later. So as everyone agrees, totally legal, but really shitty.

[Jagermeister]

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[binnie]

In order for Pacman-Mayweather to happen, Pacman has to beat JMM in December. I think the higher weight favours Pacquaio, but it's not a foregone conclusion that he wins. JMM will be out to kill him.

The rumour mill is claiming that Floyd will fight 3 times in the next 12 months, with a possible fight before Christmas. With Floyd, everything should be taken with a pinch of salt, but it would be cool to see him active against decent opposition. There is plenty of hype about Khan stepping up to 147 next year and taking on Floyd at a stadium in England. I imagine that would have to take place in the summer and not coincide with the Olympics. But if he wants another tune-up (can we call Ortiz atune up?), maybe a guy like Malignaggi would be interesting. Or Berto? Clottey would be a snooze fest, but it's a viable option.......

[VanHalener]

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Mayweather is a piece of shit, no class, ghetto asshole.

[Jagermeister]

Gald I didn't pay to watch that shit. I agree protect yourslef at all time.

[jhale667]

Mayweather does look like a chump for yelling at Larry Merchant...but Ortiz is a chump too for butting like that ... so he kind of deserved that.




Love the "Holy Shit!" look on Joe Cortez' face...

[binnie]

Pacman-Marquez will be a GREAT fight, mefeels.

I thought Marquez won the first two (despite losing out both times on the cards), but they were undoubtedly close affairs. Given he's been down 4 times at Pacman's hands, we've got to expect him to touch the canvass again - especially given Pacman's power at 147. Maybe Manny will even stop him this time? That being said, JMM poses some big questions for Manny: excellent counter-punching, the ability to fight in the pocket and make Manny miss, and some lateral movement that gives Manny problems.

What no-one has mentioned so far, however, is JMM's power at the higher weights. He seems to have added pop in his punches: he KO's Casamayora, Juan Diaz and the last guy he fought with ONE SHOT. Maybe his power is the unknown factor here?

I'm expecting Manny to win because I think 147 suits him better - his speed has carried up the weights. But I don't think it will be a cake walk; and you can't count JMM out.

I also think that Margarritto-Cotto II could be another classic.

[jhale667]

I think JMM has a real shot at beating Pacquiao still. He's given him more problems than anyone else he's fought.

[jhale667]

Funny, I've been looking at various commentaries regarding the 'controversial' end of the fight over the past couple of days - while most if not all agree it was a LEGAL (cheap) shot - a lot of people are noticing how the headbutt that proceeded/precipitated it is somehow getting swept under the rug now - NO WAY does Ortiz come out of this smelling like a rose, sorry - had he not done what he did, he never would have gotten dropped when he did. He STILL would've gotten dropped eventually, but not under a cloud of suspicion. Notice you don't see Ortiz yelling he was "robbed" and screaming for an immediate rematch, because HE knows it will end the same way (if not worse for him).

I think Mayweather fighting Berto would be a waste - if Ortiz was catching him repeatedly with shots, Floyd will destroy him too. I kinda want to see JMM kick Manny's ass (again) and actually get the credit for it this time, but hope if that happened it wouldn't ruin the chance of the Floyd-Pac fight we all REALLY want to see...I mean, not like there's any point in a Floyd-JMM rematch.