Mint. What an utter clown - I'm glad Wilder beat his racist ass.Originally Posted by vandeleur
(That being said, Wilder was crying by the time I'd finished with him behind a skip at Lidl)
Mint. What an utter clown - I'm glad Wilder beat his racist ass.
(That being said, Wilder was crying by the time I'd finished with him behind a skip at Lidl
Hey Jackass! You need to [Register] or log in to view signatures on ROTHARMY.COM!
vandeleur (05-12-2014)
I watched the stiverne fight .
mmmm I think if you didnt know the result of previous fight or indeed the result of this fight you would think that arreola was cruising.
He was a head in punch rate and looked the busier fighter and if he could have thrown bigger punches it could have been a different result.
That said Stiverne throws a monster punch and it was really all over after that.
If stiverne is to have any longevity of a career he surely has to up work rate or do more than wait to knock the other bloke out ... just in case the other bloke does the same.
Hey Jackass! You need to [Register] or log in to view signatures on ROTHARMY.COM!
True 'dat. I'd say that Stiverne's conditioning it questionable.
After 5 rounds that fight was only 3-2 in Arreola's favour, though. Arreola was en route to punch himself out.
maybe cruising is over egging the pudding but with big guys like that stivernes game plan needs work , but yeah maybe its a conditioning thing .
I wonder if the winner of Fury-Chisora will be after a shot at Stiverne?
I definitely think that's got legs , I can see the fury chisora winner in with a shot at that
Any takes for Juan Manuel Marquez - Mike Alvarado this weekend?
Alvardo is good, but I guess the outcome of this fight comes down to whether or not JMM begins to show his 40 years.....
JMM completely outclassed Alvardo last night - I don't understand Alvardo's tactics: why try and outbox JMM? If you're the bigger guy, impose your size!
Eve at 40, it seems, JMM is still a threat.
Froch groves any one ?
Here is my mini binnie break down
Lots of opinion on if the the first fight was stopped to soon .
But no one doubts Georgie boy got in froch's head .
And to be honest watching the press for this and froch shouting from the rooftops I've been to see psychologist to stop it this time kind of says he still has froch rattled .
That said Carl is the better fighter, and can sure take a hammering , one to many is the counter to that .
I would like to see froch win he is the better fighter and for some of the battles he has give us I would like to see him retire on a win.
Am going froch out to prove a point with groves thinking I can put this guy down . Total war followed by froch stopping groves in 6/7 th.
sonrisa salvaje (06-05-2014)
After the arguments over the weigh in and the short notice prince gig I must say either boys would be to much for prince , he has moves , looks in good shape but would be out classed over the distance
binnie (05-29-2014)
Froch-Groves is an intriguing one.
If Groves keeps moving, he can win on points. Froch - too as he is - has always looked sloppy against guys with movement. I question whether Groves has the stamina to go 12 rounds without being worn down by Froch, however - I suspect that although he's on the slide Froch's toughness will see him through.....
You saying points ?
Yeah, Froch on points.
I suspect that Groves pulls out and early lead and then gets broken down. I think his stamina let him down in the first fight (although I'd agree it was stopped too early) - if he's improved it then Froch is finished.....
Matthew Saad Muhammed passed away. Here is the article from ESPN. Don't know if most of you guys are old enough to remember him. I used to see him fight on Wide World of Sports.
Hall of Fame former light heavyweight champion Matthew Saad Muhammad died Sunday at Chestnut Hill Hospital in his hometown of Philadelphia. He was 59.
The cause of death was not announced.
"Matthew Saad Muhammad was one of the most exciting boxers of all time. His drama-filled fights were thrilling and he was a real fan favorite," said Edward Brophy, executive director of the International Boxing Hall of Fame in Canastota, New York, in announcing his death. "We join the boxing community in mourning his passing and offer our condolences to his family."
In addition to fashioning a Hall of Fame career and being involved in numerous memorable fights, Saad Muhammad's story was inspiring. Abandoned as a child, he rose to fame and became a light heavyweight world champion against all odds.
In 1979, Saad Muhammad, known for his punching power and heart, knocked out Marvin Johnson in a rematch of a previous victory to win the WBC light heavyweight title in Indianapolis, Johnson's hometown.
Saad Muhammad made eight successful defenses, beating such top opponents as John Conteh (twice), Yaqui Lopez and Vonzell Johnson before losing the title by 10th-round knockout to Dwight Muhammad Qawi, also a Hall of Famer, in December 1981. He challenged Qawi in a rematch eight months later and was knocked out in the sixth round in what would be his final world title bout appearance.
Born Maxwell Antonio Loach in Jenkintown, Pennsylvania, Saad Muhammad's mother died when he was 5. He and his older brother were taken in by an aunt, who could not afford to raise both of them. As the story goes, she instructed the brother to get rid of his younger brother. The older brother took Saad Muhammad to the Benjamin Franklin Parkway in Philadelphia and left him there.
After police found him and took him to Catholic Social Services, nuns there gave him the name Mathew Franklin, after the saint and the parkway where he was found, because the child did not know his own name.
He grew up with the new name -- before changing it later in life -- and was in and out of reform school as a child. He was inspired to try boxing after seeing Muhammad Ali spar at a Philadelphia gym and eventually turned pro in 1974.
The light heavyweight division was in a golden age in the 1970s and '80s and there were few easy fights, especially in Philadelphia. Saad Muhammad suffered three losses and had two draws in first 18 fights, including defeats to future titleholders Marvin Camel and Eddie Mustafa Muhammad, before emerging as a serious contender.
"From Bob Foster's retirement in the mid-70s until the early 80s, it was the greatest generation of light heavyweights and he competed at the very top," said Hall of Fame matchmaker and promoter J Russell Peltz, who estimated that he promoted about 20 of Saad Muhammad's fights. "That four-year stretch from July 1977 when he won the [NABF] title until he lost the [world] title in December 1981, he was the man. He was certainly the most entertaining fighter of his generation and you could argue that he's in the top 10 Philadelphia fighters of all time, and there are so many great fighters that came out of Philly."
In 1977, Saad Muhammad had his first breakout victory, knocking out Johnson in the 12th round to win the regional NABF title, which he defended with wins against the likes of Billy Douglas and Lopez before earning the world title shot.
His 1979 championship win in a rematch against Johnson was an all-time classic fight. Bleeding from cuts over both eyes, Saad Muhammad stopped Johnson in the eighth round, which was named Ring magazine round of the year. It was not long after that victory that he converted to Islam and changed his last name from Franklin to Saad Muhammad.
Saad Muhammad's title defense against Lopez in a July 1980 rematch in McAfee, New Jersey, was an epic battle. Saad Muhammad scored a 14th round knockout to retain the title in what was later named fight of the year by Ring magazine. The eighth round was also named round of the year by Ring, giving Saad Muhammad rounds of the year two years in a row.
Saad Muhammad (39-16-3, 29 KOs) continued to fight until 1992 but never again reached his championship heights before his retirement and eventual 1998 induction into the International Boxing Hall of Fame. Some record-keepers list Saad Muhammad's record as 49-16-3 with 35 knockouts.
Although Saad Muhammad earned nearly $5 million during his career, he was found to be broke and homeless on the streets of Philadelphia a few years ago. But with help he eventually got on his feet again and became an advocate for helping the homeless, including serving as a spokesman for the "Knock Out Homelessness" campaign.
"He always had an upbeat aura around him even though he was down and out financially," Peltz said.
Hey Jackass! You need to [Register] or log in to view signatures on ROTHARMY.COM!
Wembley Stadium 80,000 people wow! where can I watch this fight?
Hey Jackass! You need to [Register] or log in to view signatures on ROTHARMY.COM!
Wembley Stadium 80,000 people wow! ok tell me binnie who can or will beat Froch??
Last edited by So this is love; 05-31-2014 at 05:52 PM.
1 round out damn lol
Good fight with a great knock out .
Yeah, great fight. In fact, the whole undercard was good too.
James Degalle looked sensational - when he's focussed, he really is something else. I was also very impressed with Kevin Mitchel and Anthony Joshua (a heavyweight to believe in?)
There was nothing between Froch and Groves until the KO. Froch was just too tough. I suspect he'll push for a Julio Casear Chavez fight in Vegas now - easy night's work for Froch.
Well, Andre Ward took him to school - their fight was 12 round shut out. Interesting that in the long list of names mentioned as Froch's next opponent after the fight, Ward's name was absent. Kessler beat Froch once (Froch won a close rematch), and a third fight would be close. I'd also say that if Golvolkin came up from 160 he's pummel Froch, too.
Froch is a tough, tough dude with immense self belief. But show him speed and movement and he's in trouble. Can't deny he's one of the very best to watch though..
So this is love (06-01-2014)
Mmmm scored it different binnie , thought groves first two and that's it and then became noticeable that he kept getting caught by the punch that finished him . I thought when grove caught him square in the 6 ? And froch shook it off and came straight back it was over for groves . He needed to land that punch when he wasn't tiring .
I think groves needed to swamp in the early rounds if he had a chance once he didn't it was always gonna be a froch finish .
To be honest I know froch destroyed bute but normally he grinds them to dust and I thought it would be a combination of shots that would finish it but what a punch . Didn't know froch had that in the locker.
I don't see froch going for degale. Why would he .
I think it's Vegas baby . He goes take on ward with one eye on his passport and new life if it doesn't work out .
Funny bit in the pub, after 6 round the tv quickly asked amir khan what he thought of it and he replied groves had won all 6 ... The whole pub burst out laughing and started hurling abuse ..... He isn't very popular lol
Do you think Jean Pascal has any chance?
Their fight was close. I don't see a rematch, though. It would require Froch to go to 175, and there a bigger fights there for him if he wants to do that.
I had Froch rounds 1, 3 and 5; Groves rounds 2, 4 and 6. But they were all close. Froch got tagged a lot - look at his face!
Doubt he'll take on Ward in Vegas - why get humilated again? I suspect he'll take on Julio Caesar Chavez, then maybe have another big fight in the UK. Maybe a third bout with Kessler? If I were on Froch's advisory team, I'd keep him away from Degale - although he doesn't focus well, when he's on he's a nightmare to fight!
The ward fight , depends on how much he wants to go out avenging those that beat him . It's not what we think and wars is to good for him . Does froch think ward is to good for him . If you know what I mean .
The Chavez name is all over the papers and the Internet this morning , Chavez hadn't really been in the frame until now
It's not a case of 'thinking', it's a case of 'knowing'. Froch was not in the Ward fight AT ALL - I can't imagine his handlers will go anywhere near it. I also suspect it's why they'll keep him away from Degalle.
Chavez makes sense from a $$$ point of view. He's well known in the US, and brings in the Mexican audience. A Vegas fight will be PPV, so it's easier to sell that way. Plus, from Froch's point of view, he'd be fighting a guy who is the closest thing a human being has ever been to a punch bag.
Man the more your trying to convince me he won't go for ward the more I think he will , I didn't think he should have went for bute or re fight the Viking . But he is such a contrary fighter lol
Seriously I think he will pull a nitro and follow the money and good luck to him , he has given me some canny nights in the pub with fights that are pretty much always entertaining .
I'd agree with you. I often want his bag, fat head to get knocked all over the ring, but I can't deny he's always entertaining.
I wasn't surprised he took the Bute fight. My dad could tan Bute in the time it takes him to spark up, and he's 57!
Great fight. I love high energy stadium fights where the crowd is really into it. Classic stoppage.
If i was Froch i would fight Chavez Jr. because he is going to be there to be hit. Also, that would be an equally big money fight. I don't think getting blanked in a rematch with Ward is going to help Froch's legacy.
The bigger issue here is that Ward - who is arguably the second best boxer on the planet - needs to get his legal issues sorted and fight more regularly.
If I'm Ward, I'm looking to do the following: rematch Sakio Bika and take his WBC crown; and go to Canada and beat up Lucien Bute and Jean Pascall (even if it means going to 175). These things would put him back on the radar, at least - for the guy who won the 'Super Six', his career is in the toilet.
Any takers on Cotto-Martinez?
I have got to go with Martinez though i preface that by thinking we will get the good Martinez; not the one we saw in his last fight. Martinez by UD here in a fight where he uses his quickness and movement to stay out of harm's way. Cotto should be able to hit Martinez enough to rock him a couple of times and possibly even score a knockdown. The interesting part will be that Cotto won't be as respectful of Martinez as Chavez was in the first 9 rounds of their fight. I think Cotto is going to step to Martinez from the outset and if Martinez is not in shape he will get clubbed. I think Sergio will have his big fight game face on here and jump in, exchange and get out before Cotto can do too much damage.
Good call by the way.Froch groves any one ?
Here is my mini binnie break down
Lots of opinion on if the the first fight was stopped to soon .
But no one doubts Georgie boy got in froch's head .
And to be honest watching the press for this and froch shouting from the rooftops I've been to see psychologist to stop it this time kind of says he still has froch rattled .
That said Carl is the better fighter, and can sure take a hammering , one to many is the counter to that .
I would like to see froch win he is the better fighter and for some of the battles he has give us I would like to see him retire on a win.
Am going froch out to prove a point with groves thinking I can put this guy down . Total war followed by froch stopping groves in 6/7 th.
I think Martinez will stop Cotto, even though he's a shadow of the guy he was 5 years ago. Too big, too fast, and throws too many punches. Cotto is way too small for 160, imo.
That is an interesting call. Martinez definitely has power and can hit you with shots you never see coming. I'd hate to see Cotto go out like Paul Williams did.
Well people cotto comprehensive victory
Cotto´s trainer was right when he said that the 155 pounds weight will allow him to have a faster hand speed…
Martinez´s trainer is asking him to quit boxing now, he is almost 40, and I hope he will.
Hey Jackass! You need to [Register] or log in to view signatures on ROTHARMY.COM!
Yeah, whoever that was in the ring on Saturday, it certainly wasn't Sergio Martinez. He was slow, and had lost all of that wonderful movement that made him so awkward.
Great victory for Cotto, who looked rejuventated. Roach has done well with him.
I smell Mayweather-Cotto at 160......
Did anyone see Terrence Crawford knock out Gamboa this past Saturday night? Wow what a brutal fight. That was the kind of entertainment that restores one's faith in boxing.
Yep, good fight.
Gamboa is a big talent who's just never been able to shine.....
There are currently 42 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 42 guests)
Posting Permissions
Reply With Quote