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    Mayweather-Maidanna II is set for September 13th.

    Will it be different this time?
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    I doubt it unless Father Time shows up and ties Floyd's feet together
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    Quote Originally Posted by sonrisa salvaje View Post
    I doubt it unless Father Time shows up and ties Floyd's feet together
    This made me laugh

    I expect Floyd will win by a much wider margin this time.

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    Thoughts on Canello-Lara?

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    I hate i didn't get in on this last week. I kind of liked Canello going into the fight but not by much. I purchased the fight and wished i hadn't. i was hoping Lara was going to stand in more and slug. I think Lara probably won the fight but i couldn't get too fired up either way.

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    That was a close fight, with two styles that didn't really mesh. I don't think anyone could have said that they were robbed if the decision had gone either way.

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    Golovkin is looking the part as a very entertaining box office draw.
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    Golovkin is great to watch. I just hope he gets some good fights soon. Saul Alvarez would be interesting......

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    Our Daniel had the belief, work, and support to get himself there. We're immensely proud of him.
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    Bit out of his league sorry ash , govolkin is a beast .
    Seen him on tv outside the ring and he looks like you would take his dinner money off him .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashstralia View Post
    Our Daniel had the belief, work, and support to get himself there. We're immensely proud of him.
    True. And a very, very good boxer. Probably on the fringe of world class.

    GGG poses a problem at the moment, however. He's a bit like Manny Paquiao: if you can't give him movement, he's going to cut you down. They guy that beats GGG will not be the guy who out punches him or tries to tough it out - it will be the guy who works out how to frustrate him. 160lbs is a weak division now - Martinez was a truly great fighter, but the Cotto fight showed that he's fucked. Cotto won't take on GGG if his handlers have any love for him. And there's not really anyone else. I guess what I'm saying is that although GGG is destroying all of these dudes, until he fights someone who is in their prime and can box I'll be on the fence about whether the hype is merited.

    He's great to watch and clearly a beast, but I've seen many a beast tamed.

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    Thing I like about him binnie he can take a shot .
    Many a beast is just a bully , but govolkin can take it and dish it out .
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    I like him too.

    I just want to see him tested. If Lara moves up from 154 it could be interesting.

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    2/3rds of the way through Tyson's autobiography.



    What a crazy bastard although I think he did get some unfair shit done to him over the years, I remember at the time thinking that Desiree rape thing shouldn't have held up but even recently he was denied a visa to do a book tour here because of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    2/3rds of the way through Tyson's autobiography.



    What a crazy bastard although I think he did get some unfair shit done to him over the years, I remember at the time thinking that Desiree rape thing shouldn't have held up but even recently he was denied a visa to do a book tour here because of it.
    I forgot about that book. Co-written by "Ratso" Sloman, who helped Howard Stern write both his books.
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    I think it came out last year, it strikes me as fairly honest as it is very self critical throughout but who knows?

    I'm listening to it on audio book. Usually I would only listen to an autobiography if it was narrated by the author but in this case I have to admit I'm glad it wasn't.

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    My favourite line so far was when he shouted at a journalist about how he had to earn more money now he had a kid to support and who would look after him?

    At that point he was already making $60 million a year or so. Pretty amazing lack of self awareness by 'Mikey from the Block' after a few hundred pages about how he kept it real...

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    Yeah, I read this just after Christmas.

    He's a fascinating character: a combination of incredible strength and unbearable weakness, a huge ego and maniacal self-loathing, all mixed up in one cocktail. It's certainly an unflinching read, he doesn't pull any punches ()

    You just can't help thinking: 'what a waste'. His time at the top was very short, even by the standards of sportsmen. As with many boxers, he was handled by some shocking people, but his decline is extreme even by the standards of the sport.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    2/3rds of the way through Tyson's autobiography.



    What a crazy bastard although I think he did get some unfair shit done to him over the years, I remember at the time thinking that Desiree rape thing shouldn't have held up but even recently he was denied a visa to do a book tour here because of it.

    I got this at home on the books to read shelf

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    I just put it on the tablet.

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    Hahaha I always thought someone would do this eventually...


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    There are some interesting fights coming up:

    Mayweather - Maidanna II

    Hopkins - Kovalev (this could be really interesting)

    Wilder - Stiverne (is Wilder ready for a heavyweight title shot?)

    Also, Kell Brook has announced himself as a force at 147 and Shannon Briggs (remember him) is gunning for a fight with Wlad.

    Thought on any of this.

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    Kell brook I like and I think he might get a big money khan big hype fight .

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    Kell brook I like and I think he might get a big money khan big hype fight .
    Brook-Khan is a good fight. It'd sellout a stadium in the UK.

    If I was Brook's promoter I'd let him have 1 or 2 defences first. There are some decent fights out there for him at 147, and I think he has the movement to give a lot of the big names problems.

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    Looks like Cotto-Alvarez is going to get made for next year.

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    Fantasy ATG Heavyweight competition.

    Competitors:

    Muhammed Ali
    Larry Holmes
    Rocky Marciano
    Lennox Lewis
    Evander Holyfield
    Mike Tyson
    Jack Dempsey
    George Foreman
    Joe Louis
    Vitali Klitschko
    Wladimir Klitschko
    Joe Frazier

    All fighters are in their prime.

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    Round one, fight one:

    Larry Holmes vs Vitali Klitschko

    The jab vs the chin. As the fighters enter the ring, the disparity in size is very apparent. Commentators wonder how Holmes will cope giving away so much height and reach, and doubt whether he can hurt Vitali, who is renound for his iron jaw. Vitali is a very slow starter, however, and Holmes easily takes the first two rounds, establishing his jab. In the third round, Vitali tries to impose his size and power, walking through Larry's punches and landing to the body and arms. This causes a change of tactics from Holmes from round four: he imposes some lateral movement and uses his superior speed to keep Vitali off-balance and continues to work the jab, often dropping it into Vitali's chest. The Ukranian just doesn't have the speed to keep Larry where he wants him, and by round 9 his face is marked up, although he's never been hurt. A hell-for-leather approach from Klitschko steels him rounds 10 and 11, but in round 12 Holmes meets him in the centre of the ring and gets the better of the exchanges simply because he picks his punches better.

    Result: Larry Holmes by wide UD. Holmes gets 3 points for the competition.

    In the post-fight interview, Holmes claims that no-one in the tournament is fit to hold his jock-strap.

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    Round one, fight two:

    Rocky Marciano vs Mike Tyson.

    The buzz around this one - billed as 'Iron meets Rock' - is off the chart. As the bell rings they charge at each other, and although the pundits had it as a 50/50 fight it is immediatedly clear that the pundits were way off. Marciano has never faced a man as big as Tyson - giving away 30lbs, + speed makes it a nightmare for him. Marciano gets in some good shots, but 2 minutes into the first round and he is bleeding heavily. Tyson bobs, weaves, throws those crazy combinations and repeatedly rocks the Rock, driving him to the ropes and winning the best of the inside fight. Marciano looks pleased when the bell rings. In round two, Tyson is more bullish, slipping Marciano's assault to land a four punch combination which puts Rocky down. Marciano gets up, but its now only a matter of time, and Tyson hits him with a left hook-right cross combination that ends the fight. The rest of the competition has been put on notice.

    Result: Tyson KO. 4 points in the competition (3 for victory, 1 for KO).
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    Round one, fight three:

    George Foreman vs Lennox Lewis.

    The US media is bullish in its prediction of an easy night's work for Big George. But then they always under-estimated Lennox Lewis. When the bell rings, it becomes apparent that Big George ain't so big. Lewis has significant advantages in height and reach, and works behind his jab to frustrate Foreman's attempts to load up on power shots. Lennox is cautious, and the crowd boos, but he racks up the points and takes the first 4 rounds with relative ease. Foreman becomes desperate in round 5 and 6, and even manages to catch Lewis with a couple of haymakers. But Lewis is too quick, and too smart - his jab wears Foreman down, and by round 9 and 10 he is catching George with uppercuts as the latter rushes in. In round 11, Lewis rocks Foreman with an overhand right. Big George fights valiantly in the 12th, but it's too little too late. The fighter's faces say it all: Lewis is unmarked; Foreman looks like he's had an allergic reaction.

    Result: Lewis by wide UD: 3 points for Lewis.

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    Round one, fight four:

    Evander Holyfield vs Wladimir Klitsschko

    Much is made of this one in the build-up: the competition's smallest puncher vs its biggest puncher. Holyfield, however, is highly-confident, despite giving away 4 inches in height, 35lbs in weight, and working from a considerable reach disadvantage. The pundits look at Wladimir and state, almost unanimously, that 'a good big 'un beats a good little 'un'. 'He's dull', they say of the Ukranian, 'but he's difficult to beat'. What they underestimate, however, is Holyfield's belief - something which almost no Wladimir opponets have. As the fight goes on, Holyfield's growing confidence causes Wladimir's self-doubt to increase.

    Round one sees Wladmir working that ram-rod jab, and Holyfield tries to work his way in. Holyfield is getting the worst of it, but he's unfazed and - crucially - he's attacking Wlad's body: something no opponent has done before. By round four, although he's behind on points Holyfield has worked out that he is considerably quicker than Wlad, and he is using his footwork to set traps for the Ukranian, and begins to catch the much bigger man with 2 and 3 shot combinations. As the middle rounds fall in Evander's favour, Wladimir starts to lose his composure, and Holyfield strikes, landing a four shot combo that puts Wlad down. He's not badly hurt, but until round 11 he retreats into his shell and Holyfield beats the hell out of him. The crowd and the pundits will the Real Deal to a David vs Goliath like victory, in one of like's real Hollywood moments. Klitschko lands some crunching blows in the 12th which would have put away most other fighters, but Evander holds on for the bell.

    Result: Holyfield by UD. 3 points in the competition.

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    Binnie , Lennox Lewis is actual the same person as Leona Lewis ....
    There is no universe that he beats any Atg unless they have been in jail for 6 years and are so past their prime they have mental health issues .

    You are a very knowledgable agreeable fellow but your obsession that Leona is any thing but a foot note in boxing history is crrraazzzy .

    Lewis beat Tyson , and as I have commented before I could beat Ali now , he is slow and I could wear him down

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    Binnie , Lennox Lewis is actual the same person as Leona Lewis ....
    There is no universe that he beats any Atg unless they have been in jail for 6 years and are so past their prime they have mental health issues .

    You are a very knowledgable agreeable fellow but your obsession that Leona is any thing but a foot note in boxing history is crrraazzzy .

    Lewis beat Tyson , and as I have commented before I could beat Ali now , he is slow and I could wear him down
    Ha ha!

    Lennox was a hard guy to root for - he wasn't a blood and thunder fighter that we love. But he was 6'5'', had a massive reach, a great jab, and was quicker on his feet that most ATG heavies. That = an absolute nightmare for most of them. His downfall - as we'll see as the tournament unfolds - is that he didn't have the world's best chin. Not a glass jaw, but not an asset either.

    Foreman would beat just about anyone dumb enough to stand in front of him. But movement would have been a problem for him.

    (And by my reckoning Lewis beat two ATG heavies: Vitali and Holyfield).

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    The George Forman who murdered frasier would have defeated any boxer in history on that night .
    There has never been a display of power in my tunnel vision since , he was unbeatable on that night .
    The jaw that Oliver McCall smashed would have left Lewis and gone solo before getting in a ring with George foreman

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    Tho in my defence I do love these who would beat who discussions

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    Round one, fight 5.

    Muhammed Ali vs Jack Dempsey.

    Ali is at his pre-lay off best, dancing round Dempsey and nailing the smaller man with one-twos for round after round. Dempsey is utterly contemptuous of his opponent, goading him to 'stop running' and 'fight', but Ali is no fool - he can't hurt Dempsey, but he can make him look flat-footed and foolish. By round 8, it looks like this may be a shut-out, and the Dempsey throws two of his awkward, idiosyncratic punches that Ali just doesn't see coming, and he goes down. The crowd roars as the the mauler goes on the pounce, pummeling Ali's body as the latter tries to hold. Ali is still feeling the effects of the assault in rounds 9 and 10, in which a furious Dempsey comes on strong, but by rounds 11 and 12 Ali is using his superior handspeed reflexes to seal the deel. Dempsey looks battered and bloodied, but is defiant in his post fight interview that he'll lick anyone else in the competition.

    Result: Ali by UD. 3 points for the competition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    The George Forman who murdered frasier would have defeated any boxer in history on that night .
    There has never been a display of power in my tunnel vision since , he was unbeatable on that night .
    With the greatest respect, that's bollocks. Frasier barely weighed 200lbs and had a leaky defense. Put a bigger guy in with Foreman (Vitali, for instance) or one who could box and frustrate him (Ali or Holmes) and he gets beaten. I also think that Sonny Liston was a far, far more devastating puncher. Crisp where Foreman could be reckless.

    Foreman was an ATG, no doubts, but he didn't have the skills to be unbeatable.

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    How can you have greatest respect and that's bollocks be in the same sentence ..,'hyperbole surely, bollox lol.

    The foreman frasier fight in my tiny brain is the most powerful punching display and I tend to view boxing through that opinion .

    Canny punches though

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    Round one, fight 6

    Joe Louis vs Joe Frazier

    As the bell rings, Frazier tries to start smokin, coming forward in a relentless manner and looking to land that great left hook. The size of the challenge he faces is immediately apparent, however: Louis is so much faster he makes Frazier look like he's wearing lead boots, and in the first three rounds smokin' Joe soaks up an incredible amount of punishment as Louis chops at him with continuous combination punches, his face never expressing anything other than a cool detachment from the process. Frazier tries to work inside in round 4 and 5, but Louis quickly recognizes that it's his fight if he keeps it one the outside. By round 9 people in the crowd are calling for the fight to by stopped as Louis continues to pummel Frazier. The latter fights valiantly, but the end comes in round 11 as Louis lands 18 un-answered punches and Frazier goes down. The ref doesn't bother with the count.

    Result: Joe Louis by TKO. 4 points in the competition (3 for victory plus 1 for stoppage).

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