God Bless Edward Van Halen!

[eddie78]

Without his talent & brilliance, this board would not exist.
It baffles me how little respect is shown to the man that gave you all your favorite albums & redefined the guitar in a hard rock context.
Ed created the entire foundation, he wrote the songs.
It all started with Edward, not Dave, not Al, not Michael Anthony.
Would Jim Dandy, i mean David Lee Roth, (just kidding, folks) have a career without ED?
Doubtful.
For Dave to be entertaining, he needed some actual songs to back up the atttude.
Dave was the icing on the cake from 78-84, but Ed was/is the whole fucking cake.
Am i wrong, am i somehow misguided?
Enlighten me.

[Redballjets88]

i love him from 78-84 but since then he has been a total dick

[FORD]

Originally posted by eddie78

Am i wrong, am i somehow misguided?

Yes you are.

You're wrong because you think it was all Eddie. Without David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen probably would have never left Pasadena.

Why? clearly talent isn't the issue. But motivation is. And without DLR, Eddie's motivation has gone from steadily downhill (with Van Hagar) and into the toilet since the 1996 fiasco.

David Lee Roth is the only one who can light a fire under Eddie's ass. And I'm hoping enough of that fire will return to bring us a 7th Van HALEN album that will be worthy of the first four and better than 5 or 6. (let alone all that other shit)

[NATEDOG001976]

Wow, another new Guy!

[DaveTheSoulOfVH]

Originally posted by eddie78
Dave was the icing on the cake from 78-84, but Ed was/is the whole fucking cake.

simple question :
if ed was/is the whole cake, why Van Hagar sounds so crappy then, hmm ?

[Diamondjimi]

Originally posted by DaveTheSoulOfVH
simple question :
if ed was/is the whole cake, why Van Hagar sounds so crappy then, hmm ?

Who is Sammy Hagar?

[Sarge's Little Helper]

Who is Sammy Hagar?

David Lee Roth says that Sammy Hagar is a bridge drone troll. I think he is a complete whiney bitch who is deathly afraid of the success that Classic Van Halen had that he could never live up to. Bluntly put he is just an old angry man who lives in a delusional fantasy world in which Van Hagar sold 20 million more albums than Classic Van Halen. Every time he talks he utters nothing but lies and sounds like a sack of assholes. Sarge told me that Bette Midler and Sammy Hagar are the same person. For a laugh please ask me who Bette Midler is. Thanks for your time. ..

[jgdrag]

Originally posted by DaveTheSoulOfVH
simple question :
if ed was/is the whole cake, why Van Hagar sounds so crappy then, hmm ?

see Steve Vai or Yngwie Malsteen

[eddie78]

Malmsteen, not malsteen.
Neither Vai nor Yngwie can write an actual song people want to listen to.
Ed's brilliance lied within the fact he had ferocious technique & skill, but exceptional songwriting chops as well.
Vai utilized his infamous 12 hour a day guitar workout, while Eddie just played.
Listen to something like the intro to "Hear about it later," and how the melodys are later intricately weaved throughout the heavier sections of the song. Listen to how each overdub adds to the other guitar lines, instead of having no clear function.
Listen to his tone!
No one came close to the talent Edward had at his disposal.

[PlexiBrown]

Ed takes a lot of shit because he is a dick, he can't get along with anyone and he let Sammy Hagar join the band. Anyone who lets Sammy Hagar join their band deserves all of the shit that they get.

[eddie78]

Interesting point.
Believe me, i felt like someone kicked me in the balls the day i heard the new single from 5150 on the radio.
After purchasing the cassette of VH mach II, i cursed Ed for letting Sammy castarate his sound with his cheesy high pitched wails & sing alongs.
But there is such a thing as perspective.
We all agree that 78-84 was what VH was all about.
I don't see the logic in shitting all over a guy who created at least 85 percent of what is heard on those records.

[Redballjets88]

i dont know about 85%....first off guitar is 25% of sound and he did write a lot of the bass lines so 40% at most. and although eddie had a lot to do with the sound Dave brought the attitude and charisma. when the band first hit the LA scene i n the mid 70's club owners called dave Van b/c they thought HE was Van Halen

[PlexiBrown]

I don't see the logic in shitting all over a guy who created at least 85 percent of what is heard on those records.

Most people don't shit on Ed for his music, his creativity, innovation and contribution to rock and rock guitar. The "shittng on" that he gets is something that he brought upon himself because of his behavior and also his treatment of people. Ed has done his share of "shitting on" people too. You are mixing up Ed the musician with Ed the person.

[Hardrock69]

Originally posted by eddie78
Malmsteen, not malsteen.

No it is FATsteen.

Ed's brilliance lied within the fact he had ferocious technique & skill, but exceptional songwriting chops as well.

No.

If he had been left alone to pursue a solo career, without the assistance of Uncle Dave and TED TEMPLEMAN, he would be in the same boat as Vai and Ygor.

Simply being a shredder does not mean you are a songwriter. I have known too many shred guys who could play amazing stuff, but could not songwrite their way out of their own ballsack.

Listen to something like the intro to "Hear about it later," and how the melodys are later intricately weaved throughout the heavier sections of the song. Listen to how each overdub adds to the other guitar lines, instead of having no clear function.

Blame Ted Templeman for that. He was the record producer, not spEd.

spEd could not produce a decent album to save his life.

No one came close to the talent Edward had at his disposal.

While I admire your enthusiasm, and I agree he has talent, I know of several axemeisters who easily surpass anything he has ever done as far as overall impact on rock music.

I don't see the logic in shitting all over a guy who created at least 85 percent of what is heard on those records.

1. Originally he was 1/4 of the band. There were 3 other guys besides him.

2. Ted Templeman was person #5.

3. Don Landee (or whatever main engineer in the studio) was person #6.

4. The Mastering Engineer was person #7.


So at best, spEd was responsible for 1/7th of the what is heard on those records.

As I said before, sure he had talent, but one talented person alone doth not a great record make.

It takes a team to create a great record.

Welcome to the forum.

[thome]

Originally posted by eddie78

Then Properly Corrected by thome.

Neither Ed, Post Roth, nor Sammy Hagar ,can write an actual song people want to listen to.
Ed's brilliance lied within the fact he had ferocious technique & skill, with exceptional songwriting chops, when they are corrected and tuned and turned into the music for the ages by, David Lee Roth..The truth, will out....yea' tho..

I think correcting someones posts this way is lame, but fun.

After 40 some post you have made some sense.

I beilieve this -Quote- should be plastered nation wide.

[thome]

Originally posted by thome
I think correcting someones posts this way is lame, but fun.

After 40 some post you have made some sense.

I beilieve this -Quote- should be plastered nation wide.

I will put up and defend without much effort, because it is too easy,
anyones least favorite -DLR- song -after- VH. Compared to --ANY VH--song, post Roth.

Daves writing is far superior to EDs.Myop.

Sunburn
First I take my finger
And put it on your skin
Makes a little white mark
And then it turns to red again

So if you're lazy on a Sunday
And you got nothin' to do
And you wanna get a sunburn
Come on up to the roof

I think your nose is peelin'
The sun is hot and clear
The city's fairly steamin'
I can taste your skin from here

So if you're lazy on a Sunday
Any Tuesday'll do
And you wanna get a Sunburn
Come on up to the roof

See, I was up here yesterday
Saw some pigeons on a power line
Looked like notes upon a music paper
I wrote it down
I guess Manhatten
Gets the last line
Sounds like...

This is a little ditty that alot of people find somewhat sleepy. I find it some great prose.The Quality and Condition far outway any HVH any day.

I would love to see HVH cover this tune.

If Ed fired Dave he fired the style and the substance with him.

[delta5150]

I agree with thome! DLR's output was just as fundamental as EVH's, I think DLR's records prove that point very well - he's written some great stuff without ed's help, by the way Sunshine is such a cool and dreamy song, it should have been a hit back in 1994.

Your Filthy lil' Mouth is a strange record at first but they're are some gems, I love the lyrics on "Experience", here's my favourite section

Life was "Take a hit of this"
And I'd love to talk philosophy
But I've gotta take a piss
Man, that philosophy runs right through ya
Take it from me baby
I've got experience
All right

Followed by a cool and bluesy guitar solo by an underrated guitar player Mr Kilgore


Let's not forget "Black sand" another gem from DLR band

[FORD]

Originally posted by DaveTheSoulOfVH
simple question :
if ed was/is the whole cake, why Van Hagar sounds so crappy then, hmm ?

Because that was CHEESEcake! And the tequila frosting curdled it.

[Redballjets88]

Originally posted by FORD
Because that was CHEESEcake! And the tequila frosting curdled it.

hahaha good shit

[eddie78]

But Ed was a great songwriter, that's what sets him apart from the shred heads.
He could write & the virtuosity was a bonus (but also influenced his writing & ability to execute trickier things like "Girl gone bad" and "Romeo Delight").
Ted produced, Donn engineerd, but they did not play the lines Ed played on "Hear about it later."
How can most of the credit be passed off to the producer?
You lost me on that one.
"Big Trouble" was the only compelling thing from Dave's solo output, in my mind. 5150 was just as bad, but there were some interesting guitar lines.
I was very dissapointed with both records back in my youth, especially after the brilliance that was WACF & Fair Warning.
Even 1984 was verging on an inevitable lameness, though it remains a great parting shot for a once great band.

[PlexiBrown]

Van Halen was for the most part Ed and Dave. What each of them did after CVH was not nearly as good as CVH. Mike and Al had their roles and were important to the CVH sound but Van Halen was mostly Ed and Dave.

[Terry]

Originally posted by eddie78
Without his talent & brilliance, this board would not exist.
It baffles me how little respect is shown to the man that gave you all your favorite albums & redefined the guitar in a hard rock context.
Ed created the entire foundation, he wrote the songs.
It all started with Edward, not Dave, not Al, not Michael Anthony.
Would Jim Dandy, i mean David Lee Roth, (just kidding, folks) have a career without ED?
Doubtful.
For Dave to be entertaining, he needed some actual songs to back up the atttude.
Dave was the icing on the cake from 78-84, but Ed was/is the whole fucking cake.
Am i wrong, am i somehow misguided?
Enlighten me.

Well, because the site is dedicated to both Roth and Classic Van Halen, it stands to reason that without Eddie Van Halen's contributions the site wouldn't exist.

Don't quite make the same leap to the conclusion that because of that Eddie was therefore the whole ball of wax far as CVH went.

Nobody's ever gonna be able to say if Roth or EVH would have become famous, or as famous, without each having hooked up with the other.

I'd also have to say that Ed and Dave were the ones who wrote the songs, not just Ed. According to Ed, for the longest time he didn't even know the lyrics to the tunes, "and that's no joke."

Ed gets the respect he deserves around here. Not even the most ardent Roth diehards deny Eddie the credit he earned for being the driving force behind the band far as instrumentation went, nor the fact that he (to quote Frank Zappa) reinvented the electric guitar. Never really agreed with anyone who said "Ed WAS Van Halen", or "Roth WAS Van Halen". Al and Mike made their contributions as well.

After Roth left, a case can be made that Van Halen DID, in fact, become "Ed's band", and he was the whole ball of wax behind the lineups that followed. And the fact that I enjoyed what Roth did solo post-1985 and had little use for what Van Halen did after the Roth split is, I'm sure, purely coincidential

[DaveTheSoulOfVH]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
So at best, spEd was responsible for 1/7th of the what is heard on those records.

WOoow, maybe it's a bit too harsh...i would say 2/7th

[eddie78]

That was a great post, Terry.
I still think Dave's finest hour was the lyrical ideas on WACF, and the unhinged vocals (love the end of "Fools!")
All of WACF has a lot of brilliant DLR moments.
The verses to "Romeo Delight," the badass intro to "Whiskey," the conversational "In a simple Rhyme."
The chemistry between Ed & Dave on that collosal third opus, blows my mind to this very day.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

I can't believe some of you would dare to say that ed was a mere one seventh of the band. Are you fucking nuts??? Are you saying fuicking Donn Landee belongs in the same paragraph as ed's technical and artistic prowess and instinct???

Dave himself put it best. It's not a 50/50 partnership. It's 98% you, and 98% me. Is it Mick or Keith, Page or Plant? Who can tell?

Ed WAS the BAND, Dave the ROCK STAR. One shone so brightly b/c it was reflected off the other. Dave gave Ed's playing a context and an image to play off of. Ed's playing gave Dave's on-stage performances the same.

Don;t shortchange the guy at this point. In the early days, NO ONE sounded like Ed and contributed as much to guitar playing and hard rock than what ed - with dave out front - brought to the table.

[PlexiBrown]

Originally posted by EAT MY ASSHOLE
I can't believe some of you would dare to say that ed was a mere one seventh of the band. Are you fucking nuts??? Are you saying fuicking Donn Landee belongs in the same paragraph as ed's technical and artistic prowess and instinct???

Dave himself put it best. It's not a 50/50 partnership. It's 98% you, and 98% me. Is it Mick or Keith, Page or Plant? Who can tell?

Ed WAS the BAND, Dave the ROCK STAR. One shone so brightly b/c it was reflected off the other. Dave gave Ed's playing a context and an image to play off of. Ed's playing gave Dave's on-stage performances the same.

Don;t shortchange the guy at this point. In the early days, NO ONE sounded like Ed and contributed as much to guitar playing and hard rock than what ed - with dave out front - brought to the table.

Yep...Ed changed rock guitar and was WAY more than 1/7 of Van Halen. Unfortunately, the stuff after CVH was cheese and then Ed eventually became mostly fried.

[eddie78]

I think both of you are right.
To say Ed was a mere 1/7 of the band is as ludicrous as his ranking in the infamous Rolling Bone guitarist poll.
What other rock guitarist was playing "Spanish Fly" in 1979??
Ed was/is a freak of nature.

[KING OF THE HIL]

Originally posted by Redballjets88
i love him from 78-84 but since then he has been a total dick

redball you nailed it
give that man a beer

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally posted by FORD


You're wrong because you think it was all Eddie. Without David Lee Roth, Eddie Van Halen probably would have never left Pasadena.

Why? clearly talent isn't the issue. But motivation is. And without DLR, Eddie's motivation has gone from steadily downhill (with Van Hagar) and into the toilet since the 1996 fiasco.

Man, I love you FORD. If I was gay, I would ask you to go steady right now. But i'm not gay, so i'll just call for a toast to you.

[FORD]

Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
Man, I love you FORD. If I was gay, I would ask you to go steady right now. But i'm not gay, so i'll just call for a toast to you.

Sure.... as long as it ain't that "Lone Star" crap!. That was even worse than Olympia beer!

[Redballjets88]

if it aint lone star its treason. haha it is gross though...the cool thing is that in texas all of the major beer brands put a symbol of texas on the front......and shiner is from texas so that makes up for lone star 10 fold

[FORD]

Don't they have any decent microbrews down there? I'd think Austin or Houston would at least.

[Hardrock69]

Christ you people can't read.

Where in the fuck did I ever say Ed was 1/7th of Van Halen?


Wow...I just noticed this is my 13,000th post!

I said spEd was 1/7th of what you hear on the record.

spEd did not produce the record.
spEd did not engineer the record.
spEd did not master the record.
spEd did not play drums on the record.
spEd did not sing lead vocals on the record (thank god)
Unless I am mistaken spEd did not play bass on the record.

All he did was play guitar.

Sure he WAS a great guitarist.

But the first 6 albums by Van Halen were not by any stretch of the imagination spEd solo records where he played all the instruments, wrote all the lyrics, sang all the vocals, produced, engineered and mastered the fucking record.

Is it plain as mud to you guys now?

Or should you go back to kindergarten and learn how to read fucking English all over again????

[BirdsEyeMaple]

and spEd did not choose the cover tunes to play either.I find it curious that his song writing ability is being worshiped but he has said that he has so much stuff ready to go and recorded yet all he's done since 1985 is crap.and seriously if anyone thinks that Eat Em And Smile is as poor as any of the Sam Halen records they need to have their ears unclogged and they have sh!t taste in music.

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally posted by BirdsEyeMaple
if anyone thinks that Eat Em And Smile is as poor as any of the Sam Halen records they need to have their ears unclogged and they have sh!t taste in music.

After the breakup, Dave had to put a "band" together, and all VH brothers had to do is find a singer. Dave went out and hired, IN MY OPINION, the best rock bass and guitar player around. And Gregg Bissonette was great drummer too. And what did VH brothers do..... They hired a Bette Midler Impersonator. Van Hagar's keyboard influenced bubble gum crap, was perfect for the mid-80's. Put that crap in todays music, it falls flat on it's face. Now, put VH1 in todays music, it stands the test of time. Eat Em' And Smile melts anything Van Hagar did. Eat Em' And Smile is the most under-rated rock album of all time!!:confused:

[Eddie's Booze]

Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
After the breakup, Dave had to put a "band" together, and all VH brothers had to do is find a singer. Dave went out and hired, IN MY OPINION, the best rock bass and guitar player around. And Gregg Bissonette was great drummer too. And what did VH brothers do..... They hired a Bette Midler Impersonator. Van Hagar's keyboard influenced bubble gum crap, was perfect for the mid-80's. Put that crap in todays music, it falls flat on it's face. Now, put VH1 in todays music, it stands the test of time. Eat Em' And Smile melts anything Van Hagar did. Eat Em' And Smile is the most under-rated rock album of all time!!:confused:

Yeap, Billy Sheenan is the greatest Bass Player ever, hands down.

Steve Vai was a great guitar player but Dave's first choice was going to be Yngwie Malmsteen. Yngwie was recommend to Dave by Billy who was first person Dave hired when he left Van Halen.

Greg Bissonette is an INCREDIBLE drummer.....one of the most versatile drummers on the Planet.

Dave and his band were fantastic they made Music that was years ahead on it's time.

And of course Eddie sold out making 3rd rate Journey songs......

[GO-SPURS-GO]

Originally posted by Eddie's Booze
1. Yeap, Billy Sheenan is the greatest Bass Player ever, hands down.

2. Steve Vai was a great guitar player but Dave's first choice was going to be Yngwie Malmsteen. Yngwie was recommend to Dave by Billy who was first person Dave hired when he left Van Halen.

3. Dave and his band were fantastic they made Music that was years ahead on it's time.

4. And of course Eddie sold out making 3rd rate Journey songs......

I haven't learned how to break down quotes, so I numbered your points.

1. As a bass player myself, I think Stu Hamm and Victor Wooten are just as good. But the styles they play wasn't right for Eat Em' And Smile or Skyscraper. Billy kicks ass on those records. When I first heard Talas, my jaw dropped. In 1985, when the Eat Em' And Smile tour came around here, I saw Billy play "Eruption" on bass. ENOUGH SAID....

2. IN MY OPINION, Steve Vai is the best all around guitar player ever.. I we could could ask Jimi Hendrix, what guitar player has carried on his vision, I know he would say Steve. Yngwie is a killer soloist, but I think he's a one trick pony. Dave made right choice.

3. Your right, my friend... Eat Em' And Smile and Skyscaper flew over almost everyones head. Except yours and mine.

4. That Journey quote of yours, was way too funny. BUT DEAD ON!

[CROWBAR]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
spEd did not produce the record.
spEd did not engineer the record.
spEd did not master the record.
spEd did not play drums on the record.
spEd did not sing lead vocals on the record (thank god)
Unless I am mistaken spEd did not play bass on the record.

All he did was play guitar.

Sure he WAS a great guitarist.

But the first 6 albums by Van Halen were not by any stretch of the imagination spEd solo records where he played all the instruments, wrote all the lyrics, sang all the vocals, produced, engineered and mastered the fucking record.

Don't tell this to eddie78. He thinks there was nobody else around to help contribute! Just a one man band, that Ed.

[EAT MY ASSHOLE]

Originally posted by Hardrock69
I said spEd was 1/7th of what you hear on the record.

spEd did not produce the record.
spEd did not engineer the record.
spEd did not master the record.
spEd did not play drums on the record.
spEd did not sing lead vocals on the record (thank god)
Unless I am mistaken spEd did not play bass on the record.

All he did was play guitar.

Or should you go back to kindergarten and learn how to read fucking English all over again????

Oh, shut up bitch. Bottom line: Those records would have sounded remarkably similar WHOEVER was sitting in the producers chair and whoever was playing the role of engineer. Would they have sounded remotely similar if Ted and Donn were there, but Ed wasn't?

You said it in your own fucking post, you walking fucking duncecap. I don't need to go back to kintergarten (note the correct spelling, dumbass) to learn to read, YOU need to go back (for the sixth time, lol) to learn how to WRITE.

[ELVIS]

Originally posted by eddie78
Dave was the icing on the cake from 78-84, but Ed was/is the whole fucking cake.
Am i wrong, am i somehow misguided?

Yes, a "whole" cake has icing...