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Great! I'm supposed to trust the word of a hack pseudo-scientist that takes money from oil companies to pick apart global warming facts?
Yeah, mmm'kay...
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Founded in the early 1990s, Heartland Institute claims to apply "cutting-edge research to state and local public policy issues." Additionally, Heartland bills itself as "the marketing arm of the free-market movement." http://www.capitalresearch.org/searc...asp?Org=HEA100
The Heartland Institute created a website in the Spring of 2007, www.globalwarmingheartland.org, which asserts there is no scientific consensus on global warming and features a list of experts and a list of like-minded think tanks, many of whom have received funding from ExxonMobil and other polluters. The Heartland Institute networks heavily with other conservative policy organizations, and is part of the State Policy Network, a member of the Cooler Heads Coalition (as of 4/04), and co-sponsored the 2001 Fly In for Freedom with the Wise Use umbrella group, Alliance for America. Heartland also co-sponsored a New York state Conference on Property Rights, hosted by the Property Rights Foundation of America. The Institute puts out several publications, including "Environment & Climate News" which frequently features anti-environmentalist and climate skeptic writing. They also published "Earth Day '96," a compilation of articles on environmental topics. The publication, distributed on college campuses, featured "Adventures in the Ozone Layer" by S. Fred Singer, and "the Cold Facts on Global Warming" by Sallie Baliunas. The articles denied the serious nature of ozone depletion and global warming. Walter F. Buchholtz, an ExxonMobil executive, serves as Heartland's Government Relations Advisor, according to Heartland's 2005 IRS Form 990, pg. 15. http://www.guidestar.org/FinDocument...0295fbb2-9.pdf The Heartland Institute formerly sponsored and hosted www.climatesearch.org, a web page ostensibly dedicated to objective research on global warming, but at the same time presenting heavily biased research by organizations such as the American Petroleum Institute as an FAQ section.
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Originally posted by Wallyg
http://www.suntimes.com/news/othervi...REF30b.article
"Thanks guys!"
Hell no!!! Why have an open mind and a healthy distrust of all ideologies? Trust the politicians. They aren't on anyone's payroll, dont want to fill their own pockets or control anyone's lives, and they certaintly are scientists(well at least many play one on TV/movies). One even won an academy award and invented the internet and the novel Love Story was about he and Tipper and (insert lie here).Originally posted by Nickdfresh
global warming facts?
Yeah, mmm'kay...
Yeah, mmm'kay...
Last edited by Wallyg; 07-01-2007 at 12:51 PM.
I'm past trusting anyone on the issue of global warming. At first I thought it was real, and then I read a bunch of articles like the one linked to, disproving global warming, and at this point I'm past even caring. If global warming is true, then it's probably too late to do anything about it, and if changes are to be made it's not up to me anyway, it's up to politicians. If it's a pack of lies, then we really have nothing to worry about at all, which suits me fine. So honestly I would love for all the research supporting global warming to be false because that means that the world isn't completely going to shit.
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Originally posted by Wallyg
Hell no!!! Why have an open mind and a healthy distrust of all ideologies? Trust the politicians. They aren't on anyone's payroll, dont want to fill their own pockets or control anyone's lives, and they certaintly are scientists(well at least many play one on TV/movies). One even won an academy award and invented the internet and the novel Love Story was about he and Tipper and (insert lie here).
Yeah, mmm'kay...
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If you deny the human influence on global weather patterns, then I'm sorry, your fucking ignorant...
There is NO DEBATE on the subject...
The only debate is what we can or can't do about it...
And the only articles written that question global warming are those written by liars and those on corporate payrolls...
Hate Al Gore or not, he's right!
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Scientists blame sun for global warming
The Sun is more active than it has ever been in the last 300 years
Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth.
Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual - but a mini ice age could soon follow.
The sun provides all the energy that drives our climate, but it is not the constant star it might seem.
Careful studies over the last 20 years show that its overall brightness and energy output increases slightly as sunspot activity rises to the peak of its 11-year cycle.
And individual cycles can be more or less active.
The sun is currently at its most active for 300 years.
That, say scientists in Philadelphia, could be a more significant cause of global warming than the emissions of greenhouse gases that are most often blamed.
The researchers point out that much of the half-a-degree rise in global temperature over the last 120 years occurred before 1940 - earlier than the biggest rise in greenhouse gas emissions.
Ancient trees reveal most warm spells are caused by the sun
Using ancient tree rings, they show that 17 out of 19 warm spells in the last 10,000 years coincided with peaks in solar activity.
They have also studied other sun-like stars and found that they spend significant periods without sunspots at all, so perhaps cool spells should be feared more than global warming.
The scientists do not pretend they can explain everything, nor do they say that attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions should be abandoned. But they do feel that understanding of our nearest star must be increased if the climate is to be understood.
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Scientists blame sun for global warming
The Sun is more active than it has ever been in the last 300 years
Climate changes such as global warming may be due to changes in the sun rather than to the release of greenhouse gases on Earth.
Climatologists and astronomers speaking at the American Association for the Advancement of Science meeting in Philadelphia say the present warming may be unusual - but a mini ice age could soon follow.
The sun provides all the energy that drives our climate, but it is not the constant star it might seem.
Careful studies over the last 20 years show that its overall brightness and energy output increases slightly as sunspot activity rises to the peak of its 11-year cycle.
And individual cycles can be more or less active.
The sun is currently at its most active for 300 years.
That, say scientists in Philadelphia, could be a more significant cause of global warming than the emissions of greenhouse gases that are most often blamed.
The researchers point out that much of the half-a-degree rise in global temperature over the last 120 years occurred before 1940 - earlier than the biggest rise in greenhouse gas emissions.
Ancient trees reveal most warm spells are caused by the sun
Using ancient tree rings, they show that 17 out of 19 warm spells in the last 10,000 years coincided with peaks in solar activity.
They have also studied other sun-like stars and found that they spend significant periods without sunspots at all, so perhaps cool spells should be feared more than global warming.
The scientists do not pretend they can explain everything, nor do they say that attempts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions should be abandoned. But they do feel that understanding of our nearest star must be increased if the climate is to be understood.
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The truth about global warming - it's the Sun that's to blame
By Michael Leidig and Roya Nikkhah
Last Updated: 11:15pm BST 17/07/2004
Global warming has finally been explained: the Earth is getting hotter because the Sun is burning more brightly than at any time during the past 1,000 years, according to new research.
A study by Swiss and German scientists suggests that increasing radiation from the sun is responsible for recent global climate changes.
Dr Sami Solanki, the director of the renowned Max Planck Institute for Solar System Research in Gottingen, Germany, who led the research, said: "The Sun has been at its strongest over the past 60 years and may now be affecting global temperatures.
advertisement"The Sun is in a changed state. It is brighter than it was a few hundred years ago and this brightening started relatively recently - in the last 100 to 150 years."
Dr Solanki said that the brighter Sun and higher levels of "greenhouse gases", such as carbon dioxide, both contributed to the change in the Earth's temperature but it was impossible to say which had the greater impact.
Average global temperatures have increased by about 0.2 deg Celsius over the past 20 years and are widely believed to be responsible for new extremes in weather patterns. After pressure from environmentalists, politicians agreed the Kyoto Protocol in 1997, promising to limit greenhouse gas emissions between 2008 and 2012. Britain ratified the protocol in 2002 and said it would cut emissions by 12.5 per cent from 1990 levels.
Globally, 1997, 1998 and 2002 were the hottest years since worldwide weather records were first collated in 1860.
Most scientists agree that greenhouse gases from fossil fuels have contributed to the warming of the planet in the past few decades but have questioned whether a brighter Sun is also responsible for rising temperatures.
To determine the Sun's role in global warming, Dr Solanki's research team measured magnetic zones on the Sun's surface known as sunspots, which are believed to intensify the Sun's energy output.
The team studied sunspot data going back several hundred years. They found that a dearth of sunspots signalled a cold period - which could last up to 50 years - but that over the past century their numbers had increased as the Earth's climate grew steadily warmer. The scientists also compared data from ice samples collected during an expedition to Greenland in 1991. The most recent samples contained the lowest recorded levels of beryllium 10 for more than 1,000 years. Beryllium 10 is a particle created by cosmic rays that decreases in the Earth's atmosphere as the magnetic energy from the Sun increases. Scientists can currently trace beryllium 10 levels back 1,150 years.
Dr Solanki does not know what is causing the Sun to burn brighter now or how long this cycle would last.
He says that the increased solar brightness over the past 20 years has not been enough to cause the observed climate changes but believes that the impact of more intense sunshine on the ozone layer and on cloud cover could be affecting the climate more than the sunlight itself.
Dr Bill Burrows, a climatologist and a member of the Royal Meteorological Society, welcomed Dr Solanki's research. "While the established view remains that the sun cannot be responsible for all the climate changes we have seen in the past 50 years or so, this study is certainly significant," he said.
"It shows that there is enough happening on the solar front to merit further research. Perhaps we are devoting too many resources to correcting human effects on the climate without being sure that we are the major contributor."
Dr David Viner, the senior research scientist at the University of East Anglia's climatic research unit, said the research showed that the sun did have an effect on global warming.
He added, however, that the study also showed that over the past 20 years the number of sunspots had remained roughly constant, while the Earth's temperature had continued to increase.
This suggested that over the past 20 years, human activities such as the burning of fossil fuels and deforestation had begun to dominate "the natural factors involved in climate change", he said.
Dr Gareth Jones, a climate researcher at the Met Office, said that Dr Solanki's findings were inconclusive because the study had not incorporated other potential climate change factors.
"The Sun's radiance may well have an impact on climate change but it needs to be looked at in conjunction with other factors such as greenhouse gases, sulphate aerosols and volcano activity," he said. The research adds weight to the views of David Bellamy, the conservationist. "Global warming - at least the modern nightmare version - is a myth," he said. "I am sure of it and so are a growing number of scientists. But what is really worrying is that the world's politicians and policy-makers are not.
"Instead, they have an unshakeable faith in what has, unfortunately, become one of the central credos of the environmental movement: humans burn fossil fuels, which release increased levels of carbon dioxide - the principal so-called greenhouse gas - into the atmosphere, causing the atmosphere to heat up. They say this is global warming: I say this is poppycock."
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Global Warming Myths and Facts
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See our in-depth scientific report [PDF] on the myths and facts of global warming by Dr. James Wang and Dr. Michael Oppenheimer.
MYTH: The science of global warming is too uncertain to act on.
FACT: There is no debate among scientists about the basic facts of global warming.
The most respected scientific bodies have stated unequivocally that global warming is occurring, and people are causing it by burning fossil fuels (like coal, oil and natural gas) and cutting down forests. The U.S. National Academy of Sciences, which in 2005 the White House called "the gold standard of objective scientific assessment," issued a joint statement with 10 other National Academies of Science saying "the scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify nations taking prompt action. It is vital that all nations identify cost-effective steps that they can take now, to contribute to substantial and long-term reduction in net global greenhouse gas emissions." (Joint Statement of Science Academies: Global Response to Climate Change [PDF], 2005)
The only debate in the science community about global warming is about how much and how fast warming will continue as a result of heat-trapping emissions. Scientists have given a clear warning about global warming, and we have more than enough facts — about causes and fixes — to implement solutions right now.
MYTH: Even if global warming is a problem, addressing it will hurt American industry and workers.
FACT: A well designed trading program will harness American ingenuity to decrease heat-trapping pollution cost-effectively, jumpstarting a new carbon economy.
Claims that fighting global warming will cripple the economy and cost hundreds of thousands of jobs are unfounded. In fact, companies that are already reducing their heat-trapping emissions have discovered that cutting pollution can save money. The cost of a comprehensive national greenhouse gas reduction program will depend on the precise emissions targets, the timing for the reductions and the means of implementation. An independent MIT study found that a modest cap-and-trade system would cost less than $20 per household annually and have no negative impact on employment.
Experience has shown that properly designed emissions trading programs can reduce compliance costs significantly compared with other regulatory approaches. For example, the U.S. acid rain program reduced sulfur dioxide emissions by more than 30 percent from 1990 levels and cost industry a fraction of what the government originally estimated, according to EPA. Furthermore, a mandatory cap on emissions could spur technological innovation that could create jobs and wealth. Letting global warming continue until we are forced to address it on an emergency basis could disrupt and severely damage our economy. It is far wiser and more cost-effective to act now.
MYTH: Water vapor is the most important, abundant greenhouse gas. So if we’re going to control a greenhouse gas, why don’t we control it instead of carbon dioxide (CO2)?
FACT: Although water vapor traps more heat than CO2, because of the relationships among CO2, water vapor and climate, to fight global warming nations must focus on controlling CO2.
Atmospheric levels of CO2 are determined by how much coal, natural gas and oil we burn and how many trees we cut down, as well as by natural processes like plant growth. Atmospheric levels of water vapor, on the other hand, cannot be directly controlled by people; rather, they are determined by temperatures. The warmer the atmosphere, the more water vapor it can hold. As a result, water vapor is part of an amplifying effect. Greenhouse gases like CO2 warm the air, which in turn adds to the stock of water vapor, which in turn traps more heat and accelerates warming. Scientists know this because of satellite measurements documenting a rise in water vapor concentrations as the globe has warmed.
The best way to lower temperature and thus reduce water vapor levels is to reduce CO2 emissions.
MYTH: Global warming and extra CO2 will actually be beneficial — they reduce cold-related deaths and stimulate crop growth.
FACT: Any beneficial effects will be far outweighed by damage and disruption.
Even a warming in just the middle range of scientific projections would have devastating impacts on many sectors of the economy. Rising seas would inundate coastal communities, contaminate water supplies with salt and increase the risk of flooding by storm surge, affecting tens of millions of people globally. Moreover, extreme weather events, including heat waves, droughts and floods, are predicted to increase in frequency and intensity, causing loss of lives and property and throwing agriculture into turmoil.
Even though higher levels of CO2 can act as a plant fertilizer under some conditions, scientists now think that the "CO2 fertilization" effect on crops has been overstated; in natural ecosystems, the fertilization effect can diminish after a few years as plants acclimate. Furthermore, increased CO2 may benefit undesirable, weedy species more than desirable species.
Higher levels of CO2 have already caused ocean acidification, and scientists are warning of potentially devastating effects on marine life and fisheries. Moreover, higher levels of regional ozone (smog), a result of warmer temperatures, could worsen respiratory illnesses. Less developed countries and natural ecosystems may not have the capacity to adapt.
The notion that there will be regional “winners” and “losers” in global warming is based on a world-view from the 1950’s. We live in a global community. Never mind the moral implications — when an environmental catastrophe creates millions of refugees half-way around the world, Americans are affected.
MYTH: Global warming is just part of a natural cycle. The Arctic has warmed up in the past.
FACT: The global warming we are experiencing is not natural. People are causing it.
People are causing global warming by burning fossil fuels (like oil, coal and natural gas) and cutting down forests. Scientists have shown that these activities are pumping far more CO2 into the atmosphere than was ever released in hundreds of thousands of years. This buildup of CO2 is the biggest cause of global warming. Since 1895, scientists have known that CO2 and other greenhouse gases trap heat and warm the earth. As the warming has intensified over the past three decades, scientific scrutiny has increased along with it. Scientists have considered and ruled out other, natural explanations such as sunlight, volcanic eruptions and cosmic rays. (IPCC 2001)
Though natural amounts of CO2 have varied from 180 to 300 parts per million (ppm), today's CO2 levels are around 380 ppm. That's 25% more than the highest natural levels over the past 650,000 years. Increased CO2 levels have contributed to periods of higher average temperatures throughout that long record. (Boden, Carbon Dioxide Information Analysis Center)
As for previous Arctic warming, it is true that there were stretches of warm periods over the Arctic earlier in the 20th century. The limited records available for that time period indicate that the warmth did not affect as many areas or persist from year to year as much as the current warmth. But that episode, however warm it was, is not relevant to the issue at hand. Why? For one, a brief regional trend does not discount a longer global phenomenon.
We know that the planet has been warming over the past several decades and Arctic ice has been melting persistently. And unlike the earlier periods of Arctic warmth, there is no expectation that the current upward trend in Arctic temperatures will reverse; the rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will prevent that from happening.
MYTH: We can adapt to climate change — civilization has survived droughts and temperature shifts before.
FACT: Although humans as a whole have survived the vagaries of drought, stretches of warmth and cold and more, entire societies have collapsed from dramatic climatic shifts.
The current warming of our climate will bring major hardships and economic dislocations — untold human suffering, especially for our children and grandchildren. We are already seeing significant costs from today's global warming which is caused by greenhouse gas pollution. Climate has changed in the past and human societies have survived, but today six billion people depend on interconnected ecosystems and complex technological infrastructure.
What's more, unless we limit the amount of heat-trapping gases we are putting into the atmosphere, we will face a warming trend unseen since human civilization began 10,000 years ago. (IPCC 2001)
The consequences of continued warming at current rates are likely to be dire. Many densely populated areas, such as low-lying coastal regions, are highly vulnerable to climate shifts. A middle-of-the-range projection is that the homes of 13 to 88 million people around the world would be flooded by the sea each year in the 2080s. Poorer countries and small island nations will have the hardest time adapting. (McLean et al. 2001)
In what appears to be the first forced move resulting from climate change, 100 residents of Tegua island in the Pacific Ocean were evacuated by the government because rising sea levels were flooding their island. Some 2,000 other islanders plan a similar move to escape rising waters. In the United States, the village of Shishmaref in Alaska, which has been inhabited for 400 years, is collapsing from melting permafrost. Relocation plans are in the works.
Scarcity of water and food could lead to major conflicts with broad ripple effects throughout the globe. Even if people find a way to adapt, the wildlife and plants on which we depend may be unable to adapt to rapid climate change. While the world itself will not end, the world as we know it may disappear.
MYTH: Recent cold winters and cool summers don’t feel like global warming to me.
FACT: While different pockets of the country have experienced some cold winters here and there, the overall trend is warmer winters.
Measurements show that over the last century the Earth’s climate has warmed overall, in all seasons, and in most regions. Climate skeptics mislead the public when they claim that the winter of 2003–2004 was the coldest ever in the northeastern United States. That winter was only the 33rd coldest in the region since records began in 1896. Furthermore, a single year of cold weather in one region of the globe is not an indication of a trend in the global climate, which refers to a long-term average over the entire planet.
MYTH: Global warming can’t be happening because some glaciers and ice sheets are growing, not shrinking.
FACT: In most parts of the world, the retreat of glaciers has been dramatic. The best available scientific data indicate that Greenland's massive ice sheet is shrinking.
Between 1961 and 1997, the world’s glaciers lost 890 cubic miles of ice. The consensus among scientists is that rising air temperatures are the most important factor behind the retreat of glaciers on a global scale over long time periods. Some glaciers in western Norway, Iceland and New Zealand have been expanding during the past few decades. That expansion is a result of regional increases in storm frequency and snowfall rather than colder temperatures — not at all incompatible with a global warming trend.
In Greenland, a NASA satellite that can measure the ice mass over the whole continent has found that although there is variation from month to month, over the longer term, the ice is disappearing. In fact, there are worrisome signs that melting is accelerating: glaciers are moving into the ocean twice as fast as a decade ago, and, over time, more and more glaciers have started to accelerate. What is most alarming is the prediction, based on model calculations and historical evidence, that an approximately 5.4 degree Fahrenheit increase in local Greenland temperatures will lead to irreversible meltdown and a sea-level rise of over 20 feet. Since the Arctic is warming 2-3 times faster than the global average, this tipping point is not far away.
The only study that has shown increasing ice mass in Greenland only looked at the interior of the ice sheet, not at the edges where melting occurs. This is actually in line with climate model predictions that global warming would lead to a short-term accumulation of ice in the cold interior due to heavier snowfall. (Similarly, scientists have predicted that Antarctica overall will gain ice in the near future due to heavier snowfall.) The scientists who published the study were careful to point out that their results should not be used to conclude that Greenland's ice mass as a whole is growing. In addition, their data suggested that the accumulation of snow in the middle of the continent is likely to decrease over time as global warming continues.
MYTH: Accurate weather predictions a few days in advance are hard to come by. Why on earth should we have confidence in climate projections decades from now?
FACT: Climate prediction is fundamentally different from weather prediction, just as climate is different from weather.
It is often more difficult to make an accurate weather forecast than a climate prediction. The accuracy of weather forecasting is critically dependent upon being able to exactly and comprehensively characterize the present state of the global atmosphere. Climate prediction relies on other, longer ranging factors. For instance, we might not know if it will be below freezing on a specific December day in New England, but we know from our understanding of the region's climate that the temperatures during the month will generally be low. Similarly, climate tells us that Seattle and London tend to be rainy, Florida and southern California are usually warm, and the Southwest is often dry and hot.
Today’s climate models can now reproduce the observed global average climates over the past century and beyond. Such findings have reinforced scientist’s confidence in the capacity of models to produce reliable projections of future climate. Current climate assessments typically consider the results from a range of models and scenarios for future heat-trapping emissions in order to identify the most likely range for future climatic change.
MYTH: As the ozone hole shrinks, global warming will no longer be a problem.
FACT: Global warming and the ozone hole are two different problems.
The ozone hole is a thinning of the stratosphere's ozone layer, which is roughly 9 to 31 miles above the earth's surface. The depletion of the ozone is due to man-made chemicals like chlorofluorocarbons (CFCs). A thinner ozone layer lets more harmful ultraviolet (UV) radiation to reach the earth's surface.
Global warming, on the other hand, is the increase in the earth's average temperature due to the buildup of CO2 and other greenhouse gases in the atmosphere from human activities.
Sources
T.A. Boden, R.J. Stepanski, and F.W. Stoss, Trends '91: A Compendium of Data on Global Change, ORNL/CDIAC-46 (Oak Ridge, TN: Oak Ridge National Laboratory, December 1991).
IPCC. 2001. Climate Change 2001: The Scientific Basis. Contribution of Working Group I to the Third Assessment Report of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change. Edited by J.T. Houghton, Y. Ding, D.J. Griggs, M. Noguer, P.J. van der Linden, X. Dai, K. Maskell, and C.A. Johnson. Cambridge and New York: Cambridge University Press.
Joint Statement of Science Academies: Global Response to Climate Change [PDF], 2005
The Latest Myths and Facts on Global Warming [PDF], Environmental Defense, 2005.
McLean, R.F., A.Tsyban, V. Burkett, J.O. Codignotto, D.L. Forbes, N.Mimura, R.J. Beamish, V. Ittekkot, L. Bijlsma and I. Sanchez-Arevalo. 2001. IPCC Third Assessment Report, Contribution of Working Group II, Chapter 6.
Link
I don't hear too many Canadians not believing in global warming, however we've been vastly affected already, especially up north. http://www.planetark.org/dailynewsstory.cfm?newsid=6428 (long article)
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NASA´s SOHO satellite images of the sun in late 2006 showing huge solar flares that do effect temperature change on the Earth and the solar system as a hole. Human impact on the Earth´s climate pales in comparison to the sun´s radiation emissions. We´re talking about the full spectrum of radiation, not only visable light causing these great temperature variations.
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Humans may have a very small influence on global weather but is so tiny compared to all of the other things that influence the atmosphere. I agree everyone should do their part to clean up the air, water, and land, but if you think a few million people driving cars is warming up the earth you think too highly of yourself. We are just a small glitch in the history of the world. Someday we'll be gone and the earth will just keep going.Originally posted by Nickdfresh
If you deny the human influence on global weather patterns, then I'm sorry, your fucking ignorant...
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Hey maybe somebody should have a concert. That would change everything.
Fascinating! What does "Infowars" say about September 11, 2001?Originally posted by ULTRAMAN VH
NASA´s SOHO satellite images of the sun in late 2006 showing huge solar flares that do effect temperature change on the Earth and the solar system as a hole. Human impact on the Earth´s climate pales in comparison to the sun´s radiation emissions. We´re talking about the full spectrum of radiation, not only visable light causing these great temperature variations.
INFOWARS.net
my arguement towards the nay sayers about this is...
why not? even if this isnt true (which is stupid, bc it is true) why not help out the enviroment?
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Growing seasons will last longer into the temperate zones.People will have more food, to eat, the world will be a better place.
One good thing that can be said.
Or is it just only a -bad thing- caused by Bush Co and the Global Secret movements against what ever you want them to be against at the present place in human development.
The Earths orbit is decaying into the sun, we will all be burnt silly in a few billion years. So Hurry up Van Halen....... Sh!T!!
Al Gore never had a stance never in his life had a -Mission- except his family, now he is all ate up with someone else research and theories.
I just hope all this -side tracking- from his family, won't end up with his neglected son in jail last night with a car full of prescription drugs and a bag of pot, beer and assorted paraphernalia.
I Blame Bush Co for this too the doper kid was set up to distract us from the global conflicts and wars.
We have only been tracking global climate since the 1930's
I say this may be a normal cycle in the world.
Plus i bet 90 % of the emissions from cars is brought down by rain and
Al Gore should be going up against the airlines who are doing the real and only damage by depositing their ozone in the stratosphere .
He is too much of a pussy to say that plus he is probably paid not to, what with all the bail money he is pouring into his sons pocket.
Have Hope kiddos!
Ps If we have one good solid freeze every winter to kill the buggs im cool with global warming.
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I disagree. Drought conditions will make it so there will be LESS food to eat. Just ask our wheat farmers... it's started already!Originally posted by thome
Growing seasons will last longer into the temperate zones.People will have more food, to eat, the world will be a better place.
At least it helps awarness, and shallow types who will do anything their idols say will think twice.Originally posted by scamper
Hey maybe somebody should have a concert. That would change everything.
Exactly!Originally posted by Redballjets88
my arguement towards the nay sayers about this is...
why not? even if this isnt true (which is stupid, bc it is true) why not help out the enviroment?
Thome are you really that stupid? Honestly you cant be that blind and still be alive.Originally posted by thome
Growing seasons will last longer into the temperate zones.People will have more food, to eat, the world will be a better place.
One good thing that can be said.
Or is it just only a -bad thing- caused by Bush Co and the Global Secret movements against what ever you want them to be against at the present place in human development.
The Earths orbit is decaying into the sun, we will all be burnt silly in a few billion years. So Hurry up Van Halen....... Sh!T!!
Al Gore never had a stance never in his life had a -Mission- except his family, now he is all ate up with someone else research and theories.
I just hope all this -side tracking- from his family, won't end up with his neglected son in jail last night with a car full of prescription drugs and a bag of pot, beer and assorted paraphernalia.
I Blame Bush Co for this too the doper kid was set up to distract us from the global conflicts and wars.
We have only been tracking global climate since the 1930's
I say this may be a normal cycle in the world.
Plus i bet 90 % of the emissions from cars is brought down by rain and
Al Gore should be going up against the airlines who are doing the real and only damage by depositing their ozone in the stratosphere .
He is too much of a pussy to say that plus he is probably paid not to, what with all the bail money he is pouring into his sons pocket.
Have Hope kiddos!
Ps If we have one good solid freeze every winter to kill the buggs im cool with global warming.
I'm with matt19, do what we can, but don't blame the humans.Originally posted by Redballjets88
my arguement towards the nay sayers about this is...
why not? even if this isnt true (which is stupid, bc it is true) why not help out the enviroment?
I never said that.Originally posted by scamper
I'm with matt19, do what we can, but don't blame the humans.
somewhat... we caused it, but when henry ford started mass production on the model t i dont think causing envirometal collapse was on his mind
It probably wasn't...sadly that's what it's lead to (maybe). Like I said before, I think it's almost impossible to find a reliable news source because somehow this particular branch of science is full of politics as well. One thing we can't deny is pollution at least, I guess no one can deny that humans have been screwing up the scenery for generations. I say we fix this first, then try to figure out if global warming is real.Originally posted by Redballjets88
somewhat... we caused it, but when henry ford started mass production on the model t i dont think causing envirometal collapse was on his mind
And you are a fucking retard scamper, quit fucking taking things out of context.Originally posted by scamper
I'm with matt19, do what we can, but don't blame the humans.
Our normal temperature for today is 51 (minimum) to 78 (max). Today it is going to be 106. I'm going to have to move to Nunavut if this keeps up!
Originally posted by Angel
Our normal temperature for today is 51 (minimum) to 78 (max). Today it is going to be 106. I'm going to have to move to Nunavut if this keeps up!
I work underground in a mine...rock temp is already 87 deg F...that hot air coming down the shaft was a real treat today...fucking sweat all day.
Thank God for air conditioning at home!
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I just moved into a top floor apartment, with no a/c. I'm dieing up here (thank God for high balcony walls... I couldn't wear clothes right now!)Originally posted by WACF
I work underground in a mine...rock temp is already 87 deg F...that hot air coming down the shaft was a real treat today...fucking sweat all day.
Thank God for air conditioning at home!
We certainly know that it's gotten hotter!!!!
Stop the!!!! PAVEMENT!! IT"S REFLECTING ALL THE HEAT BACK UP INTO THE SKY!!!!Originally posted by matt19
Thome are you really that stupid? Honestly you cant be that blind and still be alive.
The grass and dirt used to absorb the heat and cool the world .
The Concert for reducing the -Paving of our World- isn't on today.
The concert today is for the -LIARS- and -The FOOLS-.
Al Gore makin money off of assmunching lemmings.
Free your mind M19 and you will not be such a, Dupe for the Man!
Simpleton thinks he know, because someone tells him so.
Wake Up america!
I suppose you also believe there is no air pollution poisining the air, land, sea and our bodies too right? Cuz the BCE tells you so.Originally posted by thome
Stop the!!!! PAVEMENT!! IT"S REFLECTING ALL THE HEAT BACK UP INTO THE SKY!!!!
The grass and dirt used to absorb the heat and cool the world .
The Concert for reducing the -Paving of our World- isn't on today.
The concert today is for the -LIARS- and -The FOOLS-.
Al Gore makin money off of assmunching lemmings.
Free your mind M19 and you will not be such a, Dupe for the Man!
Simpleton thinks he know, because someone tells him so.
Wake Up america!
Are you really this stupid? Don't you realize that it isn't just about global warming, it's about pollution as well? There was a recent study that the vaerage person who THINKS he or she is healthy has a minumum 60+ poison chemicals in his or her body. Every one of them man-made. The majority of these poisons first go up into the air.
The ignorance of some people truly is amazing.
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I'm pretty sure he knows there was lead in those paint chips...
Do you realize human beings normal lifespen,a short 150 years ago was 35 to 40.Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
I suppose you also believe there is no air pollution poisining the air, land, sea and our bodies too right? Cuz the BCE tells you so.
Are you really this stupid? Don't you realize that it isn't just about global warming, it's about pollution as well? There was a recent study that the vaerage person who THINKS he or she is healthy has a minumum 60+ poison chemicals in his or her body. Every one of them man-made. The majority of these poisons first go up into the air.
The ignorance of some people truly is amazing.
But small birds still only live 3 to 4 years.
Do you realize Mt St. Helens ,in one day, spewed more Ozone than the whole history of the Industrial Revolution and including into the future.
I don't want to argue to the one dimensional anymore.
Like iv'e said a million times, you are all cool ,but i see things differently than -What- i am -Told- by the -Ones- who -Make Money- off of -Creating Histeria-.
Do you -See- what I'm saying.
Can you -Hear- what I'm looking at.
Stop Global Paving!Originally posted by Nickdfresh
I'm pretty sure he knows there was lead in those paint chips...
If you added up ever square yard, every rooftop, world wide, how much of the state of Kansas would this cover.
Why are people complaining that it is twenty degrees hotter in the cities..?Nine floors up off the ground.This is normal if you live in a paved play ground.
10 feet higher in the air has always been 3 to 5 degrees hotter that ground level.
Al Gore and these clowns are useing this -Money- score to boost thier face times.
And to create worthless moments at work(falsly created income ) in the congress acting like they serve a purpose .
How can they sue the streets and cities for making 100,000 mirrors on the earth.
Pave and burry some more creeks thats the answer they serve no pupose.
Stop looking towards the mis-direction of the Sky .
Look at your feet and you will see the truth.
You truly are a fool. First off, the human lifespan should be 120. Every one of us is bioligically designed to live to that age. Give or take, anything less than that is a result of accidents or disease, most of which are caused by deteriorations caused by nutritional deficiency, ingestion of toxins (which includes simple sugars, ingested toxins in our poisoned food supply, not just tobacco and alcohol), and.....get ready for it......ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS.Originally posted by thome
Do you realize human beings normal lifespen,a short 150 years ago was 35 to 40.
But small birds still only live 3 to 4 years.
Do you realize Mt St. Helens ,in one day, spewed more Ozone than the whole history of the Industrial Revolution and including into the future.
I don't want to argue to the one dimensional anymore.
Like iv'e said a million times, you are all cool ,but i see things differently than -What- i am -Told- by the -Ones- who -Make Money- off of -Creating Histeria-.
Do you -See- what I'm saying.
Can you -Hear- what I'm looking at.
Secondly, the average human lifespan is disgraceful, a mere 77 years in the USA. That is barely half the biological limit. And to top it off, the majority of these golden years are not healthy years....a la Alzheimer's, cancers, arthritis, etc. etc. In colonial times and earlier, today's modern diseases DID NOT EXIST. Almost all deterioration diseases are a result of the modern age through food processing, chemical additives, etc.
Those who think for example, cancer is genetic are dead wrong. There are genetic predispositions, but this does not mean you will get the cancer. You are simply more prone to get it in the presence of the above-noted factors....again including ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS.
The shorter lifepsan in earlier times was mostly due to accidents, resulting infections, etc. etc. Our ancestors were far healthier and stronger than us, as a generality.
Now, shall I own you some more or have you had enough?
You're way out of your league on this.
There are also those who profit from extremely slack environmental standards.
Our gov't has a history of allowing industries to write their regulatory policies.
Most of us libs just want people to live thoughtfully and be a good stewards of our planet.
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You learned all of this in a cage at university didn't you..?Originally posted by Baby's On Fire
You truly are a fool. First off, the human lifespan should be 120. Every one of us is bioligically designed to live to that age. Give or take, anything less than that is a result of accidents or disease, most of which are caused by deteriorations caused by nutritional deficiency, ingestion of toxins (which includes simple sugars, ingested toxins in our poisoned food supply, not just tobacco and alcohol), and.....get ready for it......ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS.
Secondly, the average human lifespan is disgraceful, a mere 77 years in the USA. That is barely half the biological limit. And to top it off, the majority of these golden years are not healthy years....a la Alzheimer's, cancers, arthritis, etc. etc. In colonial times and earlier, today's modern diseases DID NOT EXIST. Almost all deterioration diseases are a result of the modern age through food processing, chemical additives, etc.
Those who think for example, cancer is genetic are dead wrong. There are genetic predispositions, but this does not mean you will get the cancer. You are simply more prone to get it in the presence of the above-noted factors....again including ENVIRONMENTAL TOXINS.
The shorter lifepsan in earlier times was mostly due to accidents, resulting infections, etc. etc. Our ancestors were far healthier and stronger than us, as a generality.
Now, shall I own you some more or have you had enough?
You're way out of your league on this.
That is a thoughtfull and positive post. I agree with every split second of it.Originally posted by DEMON CUNT
There are also those who profit from extremely slack environmental standards.
Our gov't has a history of allowing industries to write their regulatory policies.
Most of us libs just want people to live thoughtfully and be a good stewards of our planet.
Does anyone here of any sound mind understand why they call it
-Global Warming-.
Because it is -Broad Based Generic Term- that cannot be qualified or
discussed as happening or not ,
So it can be used as a way to falsify -Cause -to justify -Profit- and Debate.
Rally round the family with a pocket full of Lies.
I was going to clown assed -Yippy Conventions- when most were in Diapers. Iv'e seen these World Huggers operate, and it ain't what you think it is.
Fight The Power!
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