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  • ALinChainz
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    • Jan 2004
    • 12092

    #16
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    POSTED 1:06 p.m. EDT; UPDATED 1:12 p.m. EDT, July 9, 2007

    VICK HANDLERS USED TO BRAG ABOUT "SECLUDED" PROPERTY

    A source with knowledge of certain statements made in the past by members of Mike Vick's entourage tells us that Vick's handlers used to brag that the Falcons quarterback would never get in any trouble at bars or other places where NFL players find trouble (and/or vice-versa) because Vick spends most of his time in the offseason at a secluded property in rural Virginia where, among other things, he "mess[es] around with his 50 pit bulls."

    Unless Vick owned another secluded property in rural Virginia, this information further contradicts Vick's "I never go there" claim, which was made on the heels of the disclosure in late April that more than 50 dogs had been removed from his Surry County home.

    It also runs contrary to the media's inexplicable softening of Vick's position from "never" to "rarely."

    While we're back on the topic, we'd forgotten that pictures on Vick's now-defunct K-9 Kennels web site showed dog cages that looked a lot like the row of pens behind the Surry County property. (Thanks to the reader who reminded us of that specific wrinkle.)

    As we see it, then, there are three possible explanations:

    1. Vick was operating a dog breeding and dog fighting operation out of the Surry County property, and claimed that he never went there as a knee-jerk reaction to the news that the place had been raided.

    2. Vick was operating a dog breeding operation out of the Surry County property, and his family members and/or friends were secretly fighting the dogs without his knowledge.

    3. Vick was operating a dog breeding operation out of some other location, and his family members and/or friends independently decided to breed dogs for the purpose of fighting them in Surry County, confident that Mike Vick would never show up unannounced and inspect the contents of the land, which included three black buildings that (if Vick built them) were installed for reasons completely unrelated to dog fighting and/or breeding.

    Under the scientific principle established in the Fourteenth Century by Franciscan Friar William of Ockham, the simplest explanation is usually the most accurate one. In this specific case, the fact that a man who breeds pit bulls and who owns property in rural Virginia where pit bulls are being bred (and apparently more) knows that the pit bulls are being bred (and apparently more) makes much more sense than the notion that his family members were engaged in an elaborate ruse that could have blown up at any moment if Mike popped in for a visit.

    Indeed, if Vick had no knowledge of or involvement in dog fighting and merely bred pit bulls because he loves them, the family members would have been risking his wrath if he were to find out that they had transformed his passion into a pastime that results in pain, mutilation, and (often) death.

    So, to anyone out there who thinks we simply have it in for Vick, we ask you to set aside your own biases and apply common sense to the objective evidence.


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    POSTED 3:32 p.m. EDT; LAST UPDATED 3:57 p.m. EDT, July 8, 2007

    VICK MIGHT BE SAFER IN JAIL?

    With all the talk about whether Falcons quarterback Mike Vick will face federal charges as a result of the dog-fighting operation found on property he owns in Virginia, there's one key factor that has yet to be addressed.

    What kind of a reaction will Vick receive on the football field, regardless of whether he gets indicted?

    A source having contacts with many NFL players tells us that many NFL players are "incensed" by Vick's offseason misadventures, and that reality is prompting speculation as to whether Vick will face late hits, cheap shots, and/or other indignities between the white lines.

    And what about his teammates? Will the linemen block as zealously for a guy who, at a minimum, was so oblivious to what his family members were doing that they were able to brazenly start and maintain a dog-fighting ring on his land? Sure, they'll all say the right things publicly, but there's no way of knowing what is going on in their heads, or whether one or more of them might in a key moment release his block a split-second early, putting the quarterback in greater jeopardy.

    What of the officials? Will they look the other way if/when Vick is targeted for a little more roughness than what might be necessary?

    Will the league office crack down with fines? Will the Falcons complain to the media if the league office doesn't?

    Can we continue to ask questions without answering any of them? And while we're act it, exactly where is the beef?

    Anyway, it's an interesting point to ponder as training camp approaches. Apart from any verbal abuse that he might get from fans (on the road or at home), we think there's a very real potential for this inherently physical game to take on a far more physical component when other players get a chance to take a shot at Mr. Vick.


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    VICK'S LAWYER WAS PRESENT FOR SECOND SEARCH

    One interesting fact regarding the Friday, July 6 search of Mike Vick's property by federal agents that has been generally overlooked by the national media (especially those segments of it who are intent on reporting that Vick has nothing to worry about) is that, according to Mary Kay Mallonee of WAVY-TV, Vick's lawyer was present on the property during the search activities.

    Though the lawyer's presence isn't, standing alone, evidence that Vick is destined to be charged with any crime, why would the lawyer feel the need to monitor the activities if he has been told that Vick likely won't be indicted?

    Really, does it make any sense that Vick would send his personal attorney to a property that he claims to have never visited if Vick truly has never been there?

    Regardless of what it all means, we're surprised that larger media outlets haven't mentioned this fact, which was pointed out to us by a reader.

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    • sadaist
      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
      • Jul 2004
      • 11625

      #17
      Vick was indicted today. I hope that sick fuck goes to prison and ends up Bubbas bitch.

      “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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      • ALinChainz
        DIAMOND STATUS
        • Jan 2004
        • 12092

        #18
        No doubt .. they find him guilty of this shit ... he's looking at serious reprecussions from the league, not mention public opinion and endorsements.

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        • Unchainme
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Apr 2005
          • 7746

          #19
          Remeber the day of the draft..The Big debate was to take Ladanian Tomlinson or him....Ummmm..Yeah..look how that turned out for the bolts!

          They dodged a bullet there..
          Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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          • ALinChainz
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Jan 2004
            • 12092

            #20
            Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

            Deal of the Century.

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            • Unchainme
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Apr 2005
              • 7746

              #21
              Originally posted by ALinChainz
              Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

              Deal of the Century.
              No doubt...Still a bit pissed he got dumped for Rivers...But now He's got Bush and The Saints...That guy just keeps getting better deals that land right in his lap.

              I bet Atlanta is kicking themselves by not drafting a QB in the first three rounds..
              Last edited by Unchainme; 07-18-2007, 01:02 AM.
              Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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              • redblkwht
                Full Member Status

                • Jan 2004
                • 4617

                #22
                If this is true i hope all the love
                comes his way activists will
                retire him if convicted, this goes beyond color IMO..

                Ole Jesse cant save him if proven so..lol

                EUAS

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                • redblkwht
                  Full Member Status

                  • Jan 2004
                  • 4617

                  #23
                  But if it was you or I & or the Irish troll bette midler looking mofo
                  looking fella we'd already be behind bars, its beyond a
                  Double standard for athletes..

                  EUAS

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                  • sadaist
                    TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                    • Jul 2004
                    • 11625

                    #24
                    Originally posted by Unchainme
                    Remeber the day of the draft..The Big debate was to take Ladanian Tomlinson or him....Ummmm..Yeah..look how that turned out for the bolts!

                    They dodged a bullet there..
                    Originally posted by ALinChainz
                    Oh man, they got Brees in the 2nd round that year to.

                    Deal of the Century.

                    The Chargers fans were owed one after the Ryan Leaf debacle.
                    “Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”

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                    • Steve Savicki
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 3937

                      #25
                      future in doubt: http://www.yahoo.com/s/630158
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                      • Unchainme
                        ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                        • Apr 2005
                        • 7746

                        #26
                        Originally posted by Steve Savicki
                        future in doubt: http://www.yahoo.com/s/630158
                        Yo Steve...A favor to be asked of you...I appreciate the link and all..but could you also paste the story here as well...Much Apprieceted Dude..
                        Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                        • Steve Savicki
                          • Jan 2004
                          • 3937

                          #27
                          Quarterback Michael Vick and the Atlanta Falcons took a huge hit a week before the start of training camp.

                          Vick is expected to be suspended by NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell after news broke Tuesday evening that Vick was indicted by federal authorities in connection with dog fighting in Virginia. The indictment followed a three-month investigation.

                          While Goodell was not reached for comment, two sources said the commissioner has been monitoring the Vick case since April, when investigators initially found evidence of dog fighting at a home Vick owned in Smithfield.


                          "Where (Vick) is in the most trouble is that he lied to the commissioner," a league source said. "He told (Goodell) in April that he didn't know anything about this. The commissioner gave (Vick) every chance to come clean, be straight about what was going on. Instead, he just kept denying it."

                          The NFL released a statement that both cautioned in not prejudging the case and said Vick would be evaluated under the league's personal conduct policy.

                          "We are disappointed that Michael Vick has put himself in a position where a federal grand jury has returned an indictment against him," the NFL statement read. "We will continue to closely monitor developments in this case, and to cooperate with law enforcement authorities. The activities alleged are cruel, degrading and illegal. Michael Vick's guilt has not yet been proven, and we believe that all concerned should allow the legal process to determine the facts. The matter will be reviewed under the League's Personal Conduct Policy."

                          Wayne Pacelle, president of the Humane Society of the United States, urged the league to take "appropriate" action.

                          "Dog fighting is a serious federal and state crime, and enforcement authorities have treated this investigation with the seriousness it deserves," Pacelle said. "We will continue to work with law enforcement with the intention of bringing to justice any individual who contributed to this cruel and violent treatment of animals.

                          "Now that Michael Vick has been indicted, the NFL should not hesitate to take appropriate disciplinary action under its internal guidelines."

                          The indictment is a long way from proof of guilt. In 1999, former Miami Dolphins wide receiver Tony Martin faced money laundering charges in federal court and was found not guilty.

                          Vick and three other men – Purnell A. Peace, Quanis L. Phillips and Tony Taylor – were indicted on a pair of conspiracy charges that carry a total maximum of six years in prison if convicted.

                          "That indictment is brutal," said John Goodwin, the lead investigator from the Humane Society. "The details in there are amazing. That's much stronger than most of the cases I've seen."

                          The league was made aware by federal authorities of the indictment Tuesday afternoon about an hour before the news was released to the general public.

                          Until then, federal authorities had been tight-lipped with the NFL, not revealing any details of an investigation they commandeered from local authorities in May. The NFL had been in constant contact with local police in Surry County until that point and believed that Vick was going to be indicted, sensing the local authorities had enough to build a case against him, according to one of the sources.

                          "Obviously, we are disturbed by today's news from Virginia," the Falcons said through a statement issued Tuesday evening. "However, we are prepared to deal with it, and we will do the right thing for our club as the legal process plays out. We have a season to prepare for and training camp opens next week. Our plan is to continue to do everything we can to support our players and coaches."

                          Now, the question is how fast will Goodell react and how long will he suspend Vick? Vick has yet to be convicted of a crime or even be arrested during his six-year career, but Goodell has made player conduct his most significant issue through his first year in office.

                          Tennessee Titans cornerback Pacman Jones has been suspended for one year although he has yet to be convicted; Jones has been arrested or called into questioning by police at least 10 times since entering the league and faces charges over a shooting in Las Vegas in February.

                          Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chris Henry has been suspended for eight games for multiple transgressions and former Chicago Bears defensive tackle Tank Johnson is also facing an eight-game suspension whenever he is signed by another team. The Bears cut Johnson in June after he was pulled over in Arizona for impaired driving.

                          Other NFL teams are eager to see how Goodell will react to the news on Vick. A Titans source said in May that Tennessee management was watchful of how Vick might be treated in relation to how Jones was punished.

                          "There's a lot riding on this one," a league source said. "Perception is really important right now for the entire league and (Goodell) has set the bar pretty high. I think the one thing going for (Goodell) if he's going to suspend Vick is that he gave Vick a chance to tell the truth."

                          Vick met with Goodell in New York, shortly after the raid on Vick's property, before the NFL draft in April. Vick told Goodell and said publicly that he never went to the house and that he was unaware of what his family and friends were doing there.

                          Reports by media outlets in Virginia disputed Vick's story. Witnesses said that Vick had been seen there many times. The federal indictment also lays out a much different story, saying that Vick participated in the commerce of dog fighting. The indictment said that dogs and participants were brought in from as far away as New York and Texas for fights.

                          The indictment also specifies that the raising and training of dogs were conducted at the home. The home features a series of kennels and a small building in the back where fights were supposed to have taken place.

                          The indictment also lays out a detailed and ugly description of how the fights were run, including how dogs that lost fights were killed afterward, if necessary. Dogs were often shot, drowned, electrocuted or strangled if they could not otherwise be saved.

                          "We're talking about activity that went on for years," Pacelle said. "Yes, these are accusations. But for him to have claimed that he knew nothing about the activities there is unbelievable … that's why we think the league should suspend him under its conduct policy.

                          "If you're just going to wait for the judicial process, why even have a conduct policy?"

                          If Vick is suspended for any length of time, the Falcons are likely to turn to backup quarterback Joey Harrington as the starter. Regardless, Vick's progress under new coach Bobby Petrino is expected to be thwarted as he deals with all the legal issues associated with the indictment.
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                          • Unchainme
                            ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                            • Apr 2005
                            • 7746

                            #28
                            thanks dude..Just gets a bit annoying seeing a thread started by you or something and all it is a link...Mucho Appreciated again dude..
                            Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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                            • tajmahal
                              Head Fluffer
                              • Mar 2007
                              • 211

                              #29
                              I guess he is a Dirty Bird or is that a Dirty Dog. Say goodbye to your NFL career. I hoped you saved your money.

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                              • VanHalener
                                ROCKSTAR

                                • Nov 2006
                                • 5451

                                #30
                                Mike Vick is once again an embarrassment to the Commonwealth of Virginia.

                                If these allegations are true I hope they throw the book at his ass and some grotesquely well hung man pounds Vick in his cell each night of his sentence.

                                Animal abusing bastard!!!!!!!
                                ~Only you can prevent low volume~

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