I'll ask, "Repubs, what has your president accomplished and done about this?"
I'll ask, "Repubs, what has your president accomplished and done about this?"
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This is where they'll cite there's been no attacks on our soil.
To which I would answer....
They dont need to.
We brought the targets to their own backyard.
They can kill Americans without the trouble of those pesky Visas now..
The real question should be, are there MORE terrorists now, or LESS than 6 years ago today...
More because we are concentrating too much externally than internally.
The Twin Towers weren't struck by a plane flown all the way from Iraq.
The question is if he could go back in time would he undo everything he's done since then?
In public, he'd say he'd do everything just the same...Originally posted by scamper
The question is if he could go back in time would he undo everything he's done since then?
In private, he knows how bad he fucked up.
He wanted this war before he was even installed.
He bragged about having the political capital, and the glory of being a "war president"
He was going to show daddy how a real man fights a war.
Ironic considering Poppy actually fought in a war, and had the common sense to NOT occupy Iraq.
We get the idiot son out to prove something...
No way of telling, is there?Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The real question should be, are there MORE terrorists now, or LESS than 6 years ago today...
When they send the census out in Iraq, do they have a box for the terrorists to check off?
He was installed, eh? That explains everything!Originally posted by LoungeMachine
In public, he'd say he'd do everything just the same...
In private, he knows how bad he fucked up.
He wanted this war before he was even installed.
He bragged about having the political capital, and the glory of being a "war president"
He was going to show daddy how a real man fights a war.
Ironic considering Poppy actually fought in a war, and had the common sense to NOT occupy Iraq.
We get the idiot son out to prove something...
If you can't figure out on your own, without a census that there are more terrorists today than in 2001, you're dumber than I thought.Originally posted by WAR
No way of telling, is there?
When they send the census out in Iraq, do they have a box for the terrorists to check off?
Took you long enough.Originally posted by WAR
He was installed, eh? That explains everything!
How many terrorists were there in 2001, Lounge?Originally posted by LoungeMachine
If you can't figure out on your own, without a census that there are more terrorists today than in 2001, you're dumber than I thought.
I'd like sources too, please.
Nah, there's not more terrorists. We just know more than we did then.
In my mind it's kind of like the Uniformed Crime reporting. When a State reports that a one particular crime instance dropped dramatically in one year, does that mean that there were actually less of that crime in that calendar year, or was it because some extingent circumstance changed the way that crime was reported or calculated?
I believe that we had no idea what the Middle East mentality truly was before 2001. Now, we do. Now we see how many factions and splinters there are. Almost like Gangs in the US, eh?
"If our country is worth dying for in time of war let us resolve that it is truly worth living for in time of peace." - Hamilton Fish
Nah, there's not more terrorists. We just know more than we did then.
In my mind it's kind of like the Uniformed Crime reporting. When a State reports that a one particula crime instances dropped dramatically in one year, does that mean that there were actually less of that crime in that calendar year, or was it because some extingent circumstance changed the way that crime was reported or calculated.
I believe that we had no idea what the Middle East mentality truly was before 2001. Now, we do. Now we see how many factions and splinters there are. Almost like Gangs in the US, eh?
Our own GAO says it's increased.Originally posted by WAR
How many terrorists were there in 2001, Lounge?
I'd like sources too, please.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/securi...o/rce96076.htm
Originally posted by LoungeMachine
In public, he'd say he'd do everything just the same...
In private, he knows how bad he fucked up.
He wanted this war before he was even installed.
He bragged about having the political capital, and the glory of being a "war president"
He was going to show daddy how a real man fights a war.
Ironic considering Poppy actually fought in a war, and had the common sense to NOT occupy Iraq.
We get the idiot son out to prove something...
Brilliant. Bang on the money.
Chimpy was out to PROVE something to daddy. He is the fuck-up son who the father always thought was a joke (correctly).
Poppy never said so, mind you. But young Bushie had to prove to daddy he was no fuck up. Then, in trying so hard, he fucked up even bigger than daddy ever predicted.
Even Poppy is ashamed. He is on the record sating how occupying Iraq was a mistake. Essentially, he called Chimpy a fuck-up in public.
We pay people to know that. gw just ignored them.Originally posted by Ellyllions
I believe that we had no idea what the Middle East mentality truly was before 2001. Now, we do. Now we see how many factions and splinters there are. Almost like Gangs in the US, eh?
If you're saying the us populace knows more now, I would agree with that.
gnaw on it
You're right on both fronts.Originally posted by ODShowtime
We pay people to know that.
If you're saying the us populace knows more now, I would agree with that.
But on the gw ignored them? Well, I'm not "in the know" but I'm very certain that the people we were paying to know, weren't doing their job. They were too busy fighting jurisdiction wars.
Ya'll need to read a book called "Blink". If I get time, I'll type in the information that's in that book about the "preparations" for this war. Enlightened me.
Isn't there a Van Halen song "Everybody wants some?"Originally posted by Ellyllions
N Now we see how many factions and splinters there are. Almost like Gangs in the US, eh?
He callously used a national tragedy to advance his agenda for contractors and big oil?
Is that a question or a statement?Originally posted by Nickdfresh
He callously used a national tragedy to advance his agenda for contractors and big oil?
Actually Nick this war was in the "planning stages" before Bushy got the job. When I get a chance I'll get the info from my book...
But as it goes, we spent roughly several million dollars for a "war game". We gathered the best the country had to offer in intel folks and purveyors of the "enemy". Supposedly using all the latest tech. Then we hired an old General from the Vietnam war to play the part of the enemy. He had them beat in under 20 minutes.
What did they do?
They wiped the slate clean and made him play with different rules until the "A" team came out victorious. And that was the war plan they took to the Department of Defense.
Bush just took Clinton's 1998 Iraq policy and ran with it until it's final conclusion. It's not something he came out of thin air with.
Originally posted by WAR
Is that a question or a statement?
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Actually Nick this war was in the "planning stages" before Bushy got the job. When I get a chance I'll get the info from my book...
No dear. There's a difference from lobbyist hatched plots, and "plans."
PNAC were lobbyists, not planners...
It was the Bushleague crew that "planned" the war, with a bunch of dummy Neo Cons cuntributing...
There were many things ignored by these idiots, including Gen. Zinni (USMC -Ret.) who was in charge of Operation Desert Fox (Clinton's containment policy) who drew up numerous scenarios and plans that Bush and his gaggle of dopes in the Pentagon and White House never even bothered to look at...But as it goes, we spent roughly several million dollars for a "war game". We gathered the best the country had to offer in intel folks and purveyors of the "enemy". Supposedly using all the latest tech. Then we hired an old General from the Vietnam war to play the part of the enemy. He had them beat in under 20 minutes.
What did they do?
They wiped the slate clean and made him play with different rules until the "A" team came out victorious. And that was the war plan they took to the Department of Defense.
We all admit that the pre-war planning was a disaster.
We can argue till the cows come home about the failures of the administration, but we are over there now and have to deal with it.
You have to be a forward thinker, and that's what some of these candidates running for president out to be thinking about.
*curious as to what kind of book this is*Originally posted by Ellyllions
When I get a chance I'll get the info from my book...
George Carlin for President.
And God heard the voice of the lad. Then the angel of God called to Hagar out of heaven, and said to her, “What ails you, Hagar? Genesis 21:17
Anyone else here save magazines & newspapers from 9/11? I have the Time, Newsweek, US News & a few others. I thought my kids might be interested in it when they get older. I looked at them a couple years ago and damn, it really brings back that day. The pics of the people falling from the towers sends shivers up my spine. I see the suit the falling guy is wearing and I think of how that morning he was looking in the mirror finishing his toast & coffee thinking ok, I look good enough for work, this is a good tie for this coat & shirt, not realizing that the whole world would soon see his tie fluttering in the air as he plunges from 100 stories up. Did he kiss his wife goodbye? Or his kids? Did he have plans for the weekend?
I'm really getting sick of all the fucking hatred & killing.
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”
Someone is suppossed to start the nuclear war that will start on Dec. 21, 2007. Heck, we are just fullfilling our destiny in the Lord's grand plan.
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No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!
I stood on the observation deck of the World Trade Center not too long before it went down. Falling from it wold be terrifying as the seconds pass and the gound gets closer. Death would be quick unlike burning to death and you know they were jumping to avoid the heat and smoke.Originally posted by sadaist
Anyone else here save magazines & newspapers from 9/11? I have the Time, Newsweek, US News & a few others. I thought my kids might be interested in it when they get older. I looked at them a couple years ago and damn, it really brings back that day. The pics of the people falling from the towers sends shivers up my spine. I see the suit the falling guy is wearing and I think of how that morning he was looking in the mirror finishing his toast & coffee thinking ok, I look good enough for work, this is a good tie for this coat & shirt, not realizing that the whole world would soon see his tie fluttering in the air as he plunges from 100 stories up. Did he kiss his wife goodbye? Or his kids? Did he have plans for the weekend?
I'm really getting sick of all the fucking hatred & killing.
I would be pissed that I didn't have my pistol with me so I could cap myself in the head. I've killed plenty of animals to know a bullet in the head brings instantaniouse death. I would rather pull a trigger than jump. It would be easier.
War is making sure more of your enemies die in vain than the guys on your side. If this is the case, we are still winning.
killed a lot of peopleOriginally posted by Steve Savicki
I'll ask, "Repubs, what has your president accomplished and done about this?"
It was my understanding that cheney would go down to langley and make sure the analysts came up with the conclusions he wanted regarding iraq's theat to the world. It's like asking your doctor to fund a tumor when there isn't one.Originally posted by Ellyllions
You're right on both fronts.
But on the gw ignored them? Well, I'm not "in the know" but I'm very certain that the people we were paying to know, weren't doing their job. They were too busy fighting jurisdiction wars.
In terms of middle east cultural understanding, there was no dispute. We knew shias and kurds and sunnis hated each other and that shias were bitter from being disenfranchised during saddam's reign. That wasn't in dispute. Even I knew this. Read an article and you're all up to speed. It was ignored. Maybe gw didn't know it, but that's due to his intellectual laziness.
What we are witnessing is the political takeover of North America and Mexico. It's happening right now and I'm afraid not enough citizens at the grass roots level are involved to make a difference. We seem to be more involved in trying to get rich overnight in real estate or following what are favorite sports teams are doing.
The Democrats take control of the Congress and have accomplished nothing. Instead of bringing soldiers home Bush now has 30,000 more than he did before the Democrat win.
Now permanent bases are being built in Iraq and we will be attacking Iran soon enough. They are using the remains of our military and country to stake a claim in the world's largest oil region.
The dollar will fall and the North American Union will happen, then it will be alligned with the European Community.
I'm sure there will be some areas that will refuse to fall into the pact and there will be pro democracy freedom fighters in small bands here and there.
All I can say is the world as we knew it is changing and it's changing quickly. Anyone that thinks it's going to stay the same is a fool.
It's about oil period. It will be another 30 years before we replace oil and that's with an aggressive planned agenda. So oil is king still and who controls the world's oil controls the world. Period.
You can have the greatest weaponery in the world but unless you have fuel for the airplanes and vehicles, you are doing nothing. Sure our aircraft carriers and submarines are nuclear powered but an aircraft carrier is worthless without oil based fuel for those thirsty airplanes.
One reason we invaded Iraq is Saddam was going to refuse to sell oil in dollars and sell in euros only. Also the dollar is a basket case and will no longer be the oil exchange currecny. A weak dollar just makes the oil that more expensive. So the US used it's last asset left to grab some wealth. It's large military.
It's not about oil, really, it's about the New World Order, and it has been since the Tower of Babel was built.
But you can read all about it in Revelations.
Personally, I'm not scared, because of what I believe, but if anyone out there sees the day when all the major countries in the EU, and North America are using the same currency, be afraid, be very afraid.
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The "Benchmarks" that the fucking Iraqi "Government" is stalled on are all about the oil, and the US rights to it.....
So money isn't the root of all evil, oil is!Originally posted by LoungeMachine
The "Benchmarks" that the fucking Iraqi "Government" is stalled on are all about the oil, and the US rights to it.....
Well, see, here's where it gets sticky...
The initial agreement (supposedly) was that we'd receive some of the oil revenues to pay us back for "liberating" the Iraqis. 'Member, ya'll...that was part of the deal. We spend an exhorbant amount of money on the contingent that we'd be repaid a portion with oil revenues.
So, Lounge is more than likely correct.
*disclaimer: before the hackles come out, I put the word liberating in quotes for a reason...
Big Oil and the BCE are the root of all evil....Originally posted by WAR
So money isn't the root of all evil, oil is!
That should get a response
Originally posted by Ellyllions
Well, see, here's where it gets sticky...
The initial agreement (supposedly) was that we'd receive some of the oil revenues to pay us back for "liberating" the Iraqis. 'Member
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Where the hell you'd get that???
When, and with whom did we supposedly make this "agreement" ???
One of Wolfoshitz's lackeys DID say however that the REBUILDING would cost US nothing, because the entire amount would be paid out of oil revenues..
Hun, you've been fed a line of bullshit with this one.
This sounds like something out of the Ahmed Chalabi fiasco......
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