FAUX Claims AL Qaeda Set Cali Wildfires

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 12:09 PM

http://thinkprogress.org/2007/10/24/...e-ca-wildires/

Fox News: Al Qaeda is causing the CA wildires.

This morning on Fox News, hosts of the show Fox and Friends blamed the wildfires in California on a new culprit: al Qaeda. They pointed to a 2003 FBI memo, which raised the possibility that al Qaeda may try to set wildfires around the western United States. They also noted that men in a “hovering helicopter” saw “a guy starting one of these fires.” Watch it:

Later in the segment, host Steve Doocy acknowledged that in memo, al Qaeda didn’t even mention California. “They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming,” he added.

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Transcript:

DOOCY: You’re looking live at pictures from San Diego — Santiago, CA, where the wildfires continue. We were talking earlier in today’s telecast with Adam Housley and apparently police officers in a hovering helicopter saw a guy starting one of these fires. And Allison Allison Camerota, an FBI memo from late in June of this year is popping up this morning and it is ominous.

CAMEROTA: This actually has happened for many years in the past as well. An FBI sent out to local law-enforcement said that an al Qaeda detainee had given them some information that the next wave of terrorism could be in the form of setting wild fires. Adam Housley said lots of people on his block were asking him about it. Obviously this is something the FBI has looked into. They will continue to investigate it.

CARLSON: If they have this person in custody it probably won’t take long to be able to develop a link if there is one.

KILMEADE: A June 25 memo from the FBI’s Denver offices reported three days ago, excuse me, five days ago, by the Arizona Republic, that is a newspaper, they have been carrying the story and they continue to expand upon it.

DOOCY: Brian, the plot they say, according to this detainee, and they don’t know if the detainee is telling the truth. The plot was to set three or four wildfires. But they don’t mention California. They mention Colorado, Montana, Utah, and Wyoming. We do know for a fact that a number of the fires in southern California are of a suspicious nature and they are investigating arson.

**Hyman Roth** · 10-24-2007, 12:48 PM

I'm sure 'Faux' is full of bunk, but the Japanese actually did succeed in setting wild fires somewhere in the west (I think Cali...) during WWII using balloons with a timing device and explosives launched into the pacific gulf stream....scary shit!

Of course, Rupert Murdock and his buddies are just trying to keep the cereberally challanged scared so they can...well...you know...

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 12:54 PM

Yeah, it was central Oregon I believe, and a teenage girl was actually killed if I remember correctly.....

But this is just more FAUX NOISE bullshit...

Waiting for Elly to call them out for it, since she rolled her eyes at BushCO's / Blackwater's implied involvement

**Guitar Shark** · 10-24-2007, 01:01 PM

Scary when Tucker Carlson is the sole voice of reason in that discussion.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:02 PM

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/us...me=BigBadBrian

LMMFAO

Thought I'd see what the Freepers are saying....

And look who's posting over there...

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:04 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Waiting for Elly to call them out for it, since she rolled her eyes at BushCO's / Blackwater's implied involvement

Me?
I hadn't heard about this until just now, from you. LOL! (you just wanted to hear from me today didn't you babe

)

I don't think the wild fires are a conspiracy nor a terrorist activated issue. I think it's just nature doing it's job with humans happening to be in the way.

There's a couple of things I find sad about this other than the poor folk who are living through it.

I think it's sad that they can't get their own attention for it without having it all compared to Katrina. I think that takes away from the pity we should be feeling for both catastrophies and the people involved.

I also think it's sad that folks are trying to politicize it by starting with the the terrorism bullshit and the "BushCo" type rhetoric.

We're in a strange place in society and it's one that we need to get out of. And I hope that if these or any fires were arson, the people responsible are caught and dealt with from the fullest extent of the law.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:05 PM

Texas governor endorses Giuliani (despite their differences on abortion rights)

Posted by BigBadBrian to ejonesie22
On News/Activism 10/17/2007 3:42:12 PM PDT · 18 of 38

You people that say you won’t vote for Rudy (if he indeed is the R Nominee) crack me up. You must be the village idiots in your respective towns. A vote not for Rudy is the same as a vote for Hillary.

Go see a doctor. You’ve been infected with the “Nader Syndrome.”

NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS POSTING STYLE HERE....OR THERE...

**Hyman Roth** · 10-24-2007, 01:06 PM

It depresses me to think that so many people take Fox seriously. They might as well have Maury Povich's writers and producers and that coke-head who got caught on phone talking to some hooker about snorting lines off her ass (I forgot his name) as the head anchor. Its true many news organizations take a slant on many stories - but its usually very subtle and you can actually filter out the spin for the facts from most major providers. Fox news is not news - its sensationalism and heavily edited reality-based television with simple current events as its theme. Sad, really...

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by Ellyllions

I think it's sad that they can't get their own attention for it without having it all compared to Katrina. I think that takes away from the pity we should be feeling for both catastrophies and the people involved.

I also think it's sad that folks are trying to politicize it by starting with the the terrorism bullshit and the "BushCo" type rhetoric.

How can one NOT comapre the responses to Katrina.

Shouldn't we be seeing if our government learned ANYTHING from Katrina...

And the Fire Chief has said if they had had the Nat'l Guard Air Support the fires could have been curtailed.

But they were in Iraq.

If you don't think politics comes into play here, you're either naive or.....

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:09 PM

Originally posted by Hyman Roth
It depresses me to think that so many people take Fox seriously. ...

warham
thome
sadaist
redballjets
jim shitonme

as well as others actually live by what Faux tells them

**Guitar Shark** · 10-24-2007, 01:10 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Texas governor endorses Giuliani (despite their differences on abortion rights)

Posted by BigBadBrian to ejonesie22
On News/Activism 10/17/2007 3:42:12 PM PDT · 18 of 38

You people that say you won’t vote for Rudy (if he indeed is the R Nominee) crack me up. You must be the village idiots in your respective towns. A vote not for Rudy is the same as a vote for Hillary.

Go see a doctor. You’ve been infected with the “Nader Syndrome.”

NOT MUCH DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIS POSTING STYLE HERE....OR THERE...

LOL... you actually miss BBB enough to copy and paste his posts from other mesage boards?

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:12 PM

I think the word you're looking for there is "dumb".

So compare, but at least wait until it's over to have accurate results. Shit, I'd love to see that the Gov't actually learned something from Katrina too. But be fair about it all...compare EVERYTHING, including how the citizens are behaving.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:13 PM

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
LOL... you actually miss BBB enough to copy and paste his posts from other mesage boards?

yep

The little pissant Neo-Con wannabes trolling through here lately dont have his skill sets.

No one recited the talking points quite like Brie

**Guitar Shark** · 10-24-2007, 01:14 PM

What message board is that from, anyway?

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:16 PM

Originally posted by Ellyllions
I think the word you're looking for there is "dumb".

So compare, but at least wait until it's over to have accurate results. Shit, I'd love to see that the Gov't actually learned something from Katrina too. But be fair about it all...compare EVERYTHING, including how the citizens are behaving.

That's twice now you've talked about the "citizens behaving"

There appears to be some racial undertones to your query....

Don't forget, most of those caught in Katrina couldnt get in their SUV, drive to a Holiday Inn, and watch it on cable...

I think it's just as telling to see how the government and the public in general treat the "evacuees"

I'm just sayin'......

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:17 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/us...me=BigBadBrian

LMMFAO

Thought I'd see what the Freepers are saying....

And look who's posting over there...

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
What message board is that from, anyway?

Are you sure you passed the bar?

:confused:

**Guitar Shark** · 10-24-2007, 01:19 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
Are you sure you passed the bar?

:confused:

Actually, no. To this day, I'm convinced I was admitted by mistake.

Seriously, I didn't see your previous post with the link and even if I had, I'm not sure I would have made the connection.

Yep, I'm that dumb.

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:19 PM

Not racial.

What I'm illuding to is the old adage that "an argument is never one sided". A LOT of shit went crazy with Katrina from how the citizens behaved, how the media (read fox news) reported what was happening, to what the Mayor was doing, to what the Governor was doing, to what FEMA did, to what Bush did....everything was a clusterfuck of giganormous proportions.

Will this one be the same and if not, what will be different? Analyze it without prejudice and we'll see where the fixable problems lie and did lay with Katrina so that it never, EVER happens again.

(you sleepin' in the wet spot again 'er what?)

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:20 PM

Originally posted by Ellyllions
I think the word you're looking for there is "dumb".

.

You know I dont think that....

Originally posted by Ellyllions

So compare, but at least wait until it's over to have accurate results. .

Wha???

That's like saying don't watch the instant replay or hilights until the game is over...

What's wrong with comparing each aspect of the response as it happens?

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:23 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

What's wrong with comparing each aspect of the response as it happens?

Because you can't. Not accurately anyway because you don't yet have all the information that you have about Katrina.

But you have to clear your mind of any predicates and look at the whole scenerio completely objective.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:27 PM

From cbsnews.com.....

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the federal government is applying lessons learned from the Katrina relief controversy that deeply damaged Mr. Bush's presidency, by talking more quickly with local officials and getting the word out to the public faster.

"There's increased coordination and communication and earlier communication and coordination between the federal, state and local governments," she said. "We have learned those lessons and those lessons are being applied."

They didnt get the "dont compare to Katrina" memo, Ell

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:29 PM

Originally posted by Ellyllions
Because you can't. Not accurately anyway because you don't yet have all the information that you have about Katrina.

But you have to clear your mind of any predicates and look at the whole scenerio completely objective.

I see your point, but disagree....

Just my view from the wet spot....

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:31 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
From cbsnews.com.....

White House press secretary Dana Perino said the federal government is applying lessons learned from the Katrina relief controversy that deeply damaged Mr. Bush's presidency, by talking more quickly with local officials and getting the word out to the public faster.

"There's increased coordination and communication and earlier communication and coordination between the federal, state and local governments," she said. "We have learned those lessons and those lessons are being applied."

They didnt get the "dont compare to Katrina" memo, Ell

Naw, that's good that they're doing better.
It's gonna be nice to hear how the state and local goverments of CA behaved differently than LA too.

But all of that should come after this tragedy is dealt with and the people are safe.

They deserve our attention without being compared to anyone else. And that's my opinion....

**Ellyllions** · 10-24-2007, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine

Just my view from the wet spot....

...aww, you poor baby. I hate when that happens.

**thome** · 10-24-2007, 01:51 PM

Wazzamatta did you start a third thread about the wild fires, the third being based on conspiracy just so you could close mine based on the same?

You guys can be quite wierd.

You guys Got Me!

How can a state your own personal take be sent to the dump?

Whata joke the modship is around here.

Assholes.

Your absolute corruption has given your id a perfect ego.

Selfish ego driven idiosyncratic candy assed punks with a deep seeded need for the ability to control useless words based on idiotic dream that -You- made a difference.

Get Off!

Rothies: finest TROLL post of the year.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:53 PM

STFU already....

You made this SAME post in your own thread....

Guitar Shark moved your thread, not me, dumbass.

Go cry to him.

**VanHalener** · 10-24-2007, 01:54 PM

This jealous wannabe lit the fires in hopes of burning down certain homes in California. Not gonna work BETTE!

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by thome

useless words based on idiotic dream .

Sums up your entire posting history quite well.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 01:55 PM

Originally posted by VanHalener
This jealous wannabe lit the fires in hopes of burning down certain homes in California. Not gonna work BETTE!

You have violated the "no dick pics" policy of the Front Line.

Don't do this again.

**VanHalener** · 10-24-2007, 01:56 PM

editing...

**thome** · 10-24-2007, 01:57 PM

All three of these attention whore concered firefighter threads have been started by you.

The other two started by others .........................Closed or dumped.

Wierd

Coincidence

Easy to see now that all are on the thread page top.

How about this.... why don't you let someone else have the mike this is a kareoke bar not the lounge show........ or is it.

**Nitro Express** · 10-24-2007, 01:58 PM

There's always someone to blame. My advice is try and get something going in your local area to solve problems and fuck the Federal Govt.

Don't live in a flood plain, don't build on unstable soil, don't live in a area prone to fires. Buyer beware here.

Our subdivision was bordered by some old forrestland that was choked by underbrush. We organized a local force and went in and cut the undergrowth and stacked it in small piles. This is what the forrest service does to eliminate fire danager. In Germany, Austria, and Switzerland, this is the norm. They organize groups of people to clean up the forrest to eliminate fires. We don't do that here as much.

We went to solve the problem and the subsdivision got in our way saying they were open to liability. Finally we had to draw up a waiver and sign it to eliminate possible lawsuits if someone chopped their arm off with a chainsaw. Unbelievable.

If you live by trees and brush, it's your responsibility to cut it down and eliminate fire danger. Most of these people in those houses figured it was someone elses responsibility. Typically neo American pass the buch thinking.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 02:02 PM

Originally posted by thome
All three of these attention whore concered firefighter threads have been started by you.

The other two started by others .........................Closed or dumped.

Wierd

Coincidence

Easy to see now that all are on the thread page top.

How about this.... why don't you let someone else have the mike this is a kareoke bar not the lounge show........ or is it.

Waaaaaaa.

**scamper** · 10-24-2007, 02:03 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
And the Fire Chief has said if they had had the Nat'l Guard Air Support the fires could have been curtailed.

But they were in Iraq.

Did this guy say the air support was in Iraq or is this just an assumption.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 02:06 PM

Originally posted by thome

The other two started by others .........................Closed or dumped.

Sharkey dumped your's because no one was posting in it except YOU talking to yourself...

And I closed a flame war, and stickied a legit first-hand experience thread...

Don't take it out on the mods because your threads SUCK and no one posts in them but yourself.

Fucking whiney little troll...

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by scamper
Did this guy say the air support was in Iraq or is this just an assumption.

I'll find the quote...

**scamper** · 10-24-2007, 02:12 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I'll find the quote...

Thanks

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 02:13 PM

"If we had more air resources, we would have been able to control this fire," said a frustrated Orange County Fire Authority Chief Chip Prather. "Instead we've been stuck in this initial attack mode on the ground where we hopscotch through neighborhoods as best we can trying to control things."

From the LA Times....

He never mentioned Nat'l Guard Troops in Iraq in this quote...

Still looking...

**thome** · 10-24-2007, 02:21 PM

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
I see your point, but disagree....

Just my view from the wet spot....

Nice post .....get much leg that way?

What's a troll?

I know what a letch is.

Way to stay on subject.

I will try my damnest to stop posting my op around here it is simply denied.. troll no troll ....idiot ....or.... just a fan .....a person doesn't stand a chance around here.

I really realize this whole place seems to just be a place for three MF 'rs to stomp around and dictate their agenda.

Thanks for the 4900 posts and still calling me a troll.

My apologies to the non-nutbags here.

**LoungeMachine** · 10-24-2007, 02:25 PM

Originally posted by thome
Nice post .....get much leg that way?

Yep.

Originally posted by thome

What's a troll?

Look in the mirror

Originally posted by thome

Way to stay on subject.

Isn't it funy how all of a sudden you fall out of character and post coherently?

See above:

Originally posted by thome
\
I really realize this whole place seems to just be a place for three MF 'rs to stomp around and dictate their agenda.
.

Yes, you're the victim.

You hold no responsibility for your own shtick.

You may now go watch Oprah.

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