Tipping Point? Could Iowa Upend Hillary's 'Inevitability?'

[Nickdfresh]

No article here. I've just heard whispers in a few different places that the Iowa Caucus, where Hillary is hardly dominant, could actually shift the entire race to say Obama, the way that Kerry took over for Dean as the nominee in 2004.

Thoughts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111001215.html

[FORD]

Please, Jesus. Let it be so!!

[Guitar Shark]

Doesn't matter. Neither of them will win the general election.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Doesn't matter. Neither of them will win the general election.

Maybe, but who says Obama has to win Iowa?

If you want to use 2004 as a model, which seems to be the basis for the argument in the article, Judas IsKerryot wasn't running in second place before Iowa either.

Since it, unfortunately, appears that President Gore is not running for re-election, we have to look elsewhere for the winner, and we have to remember the lessons of the last 40 years...

Lesson one: SENATORS CANNOT FUCKING WIN!!

But governors do.

Bill Richardson is far from my ideal candidate. But on paper, he is the most qualified of anybody running for the office, including the fact that he's a sitting governor. Unfortunately, he's been all but ignored by the whore media, and he didn't help himself much when he referred to sexual orientation as a "choice" in the debate sponsored by the LGBT organizations.

If the curse against Senators expires after you have been out of office a few years, maybe Edwards has a shot?

[Guitar Shark]

If we're talking about the general election rather than the primaries, Edwards has a much better shot than Richardson. He's white.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
If we're talking about the general election rather than the primaries, Edwards has a much better shot than Richardson. He's white.

Yes, but the idiots who would decide a candidate's worth based on ethnicity alone probably think that Richardson is "white" also, because his name is "Richardson" rather than "Ramirez".

And besides, racists are going to vote RepubliKKKan anyway.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by FORD
And besides, racists are going to vote RepubliKKKan anyway.

Thanks for making my point - it doesn't matter. I think it is highly unlikely that American voters in 2007 will elect a minority, or a woman, POTUS.

[FORD]

Dennis Kucinich is white. I guess this is his year then.

[Nickdfresh]

But short.

[FORD]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
But short.

So what? He can lie about his height like Chimpy did.

There's no way in Hell that imbecile is 6 ft tall, but he claimed to be.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
No article here. I've just heard whispers in a few different places that the Iowa Caucus, where Hillary is hardly dominant, could actually shift the entire race to say Obama, the way that Kerry took over for Dean as the nominee in 2004.

Thoughts?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...111001215.html

Obama is better than Hillary and Gulliani. He's inexperienced and naive of foriegn policy but I don't think he's sold out yet like Hill/Bill and Gulliasshole have.

[Hardrock69]

That is his strong point.

Elect him before he gets completely corrupted by the system.

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Thanks for making my point - it doesn't matter. I think it is highly unlikely that American voters in 2007 will elect a minority, or a woman, POTUS.

True.

But 2008 is another matter

I still think Shrillary will go the way of Dr. Dean, but for different reasons altogether.

And I dont know if an Edward / Obama ticket is the key, or if Big Al will still run, but this much I know.

The only thing that will keep the Dems from wining the WH, will be the emergence of a serious 3rd party ticket.

No way in hell any of the current RePUKE candidates have a snowball's chance in hell of winning.

Romney / Huckabee is about as good as they're gonna do.

Iowa can't come fast enough for me...

[FORD]

Unfortunately, Gore has pretty much sealed his fate in recent days. He's going into business as a "venture capitalist" to invest in green-related businesses. A worthy effort, definitely, but it would be impossible to do that and campaign for President at the same time, so it appears President Gore has finalized his choice not to run again.

I just hope that decision doesn't damn all of us - including Mother Earth - to 4 or 8 more years of destructive policies.

[FORD]

Al Gore joins top venture capital firm
President to guide investments that help fight global warming
The Associated Press
updated 10:49 a.m. PT, Mon., Nov. 12, 2007

SAN FRANCISCO - Al Gore announced Monday he’s joining Silicon Valley’s most prestigious venture capital firm to guide investments that help combat global warming.

Gore, who won the Nobel Peace Prize last month for his work on climate change, joins Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers as it and dozens of other venture firms expand into so-called “clean-tech” investments worldwide.

The former vice president, who starred in the Academy Award-winning global warming documentary, “An Inconvenient Truth,” is expected to be a high-profile, active partner at Kleiner Perkins. He’s already a senior adviser to Google Inc. and a member of the board at Apple Inc. Alliance for Climate Protection, the advocacy group he co-founded, is based in Palo Alto.

Gore said he’ll donate 100 percent of his salary as a Kleiner Perkins partner to the advocacy group, which focuses on accelerating policy solutions to the climate crisis. He would not disclose the amount.

“It’s one of the benefits of not being in the public sector anymore,” he said in an interview.

Also Monday, Kleiner Perkins partner John Doerr announced he’s joining the advisory board of Generation Investment Management, the $1 billion investment firm that Gore founded with David Blood, who previously managed $325 billion in assets out of Goldman Sachs’ London office. Doerr is one of Silicon Valley’s most outspoken clean-tech advocates.

Clean technology encompasses alternative fuels, water purification, renewable energy and recycling programs and other eco-friendly initiatives, as well as products ranging from electric cars to microbes that search for oil in seemingly tapped-out wells.

North American and European venture capitalists invested $1.9 billion in clean-tech companies in the first half of 2007, a 10 percent increase from the first half 2006, according to Ann Arbor, Mich.-based trade group Cleantech Network.

Last year, Menlo Park-based Kleiner Perkins earmarked $100 million of its $600 million investment fund to startups that work on reducing carbon dioxide emissions. The firm expects to dedicate one-third of new funding to clean tech by 2009.

In 2005, Kleiner Perkins named former Secretary of State Colin Powell a “strategic limited partner,” but the moderate Republican hasn’t played a prominent role in the firm’s affairs.

For years, Gore, 59, has been good friends with Doerr, a former Intel Corp. salesman who became a billionaire thanks to early investments in startups such as Netscape Communications, Amazon.com Inc. and Google.

They palled around together so much in the 1990s that fellow venture capitalist and former InfoWorld editor Stewart Alsop II created spoof political buttons that said “Gore and Doerr in 2004.”
© 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

URL: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21756222/

[LoungeMachine]

Two words for you, FORD


Blind Trust.


He's investing, not so much running them.....

*grasping at any straws left*

[LoungeMachine]

Back to Shrillary for a moment....

Her candidacy is interesting.

She's her own worst enemy, and will undoubtably be the cause of her own collapse.....

Yet The Republicans are some of her biggest campaign assets.



I just can't see her OR Rudy making the final lap on this track.

[Nitro Express]

Originally posted by FORD
Unfortunately, Gore has pretty much sealed his fate in recent days. He's going into business as a "venture capitalist" to invest in green-related businesses. A worthy effort, definitely, but it would be impossible to do that and campaign for President at the same time, so it appears President Gore has finalized his choice not to run again.

I just hope that decision doesn't damn all of us - including Mother Earth - to 4 or 8 more years of destructive policies.

Gore has more to gain being an environmental guru than to risk his huge popularity with a presidency that is so full of problems, anyone who inherits it will be blamed for them.

[DrMaddVibe]

The suspense is terrible. I hope it'll last.

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by LoungeMachine
True.

But 2008 is another matter

D'oh!!

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
Thanks for making my point - it doesn't matter. I think it is highly unlikely that American voters in 2007 will elect a minority, or a woman, POTUS.

Well, that's what they said in NY in 2004...

[Guitar Shark]

Originally posted by Nickdfresh
Well, that's what they said in NY in 2004...

True, but NY is a fairly progressive state compared to much of the rest of the country. And there was already a solid precedent for electing females and minorities to Congress - I think POTUS is a different animal altogether.

I hope I am wrong, but I'm afraid I'm not.

[LoungeMachine]

My issues with Hillary have nothing whatsoever to do with the fact she may or may not be a female...

Just as my issues with Obama have nothing whatsoever to do with race.

But people just assume......

[Nickdfresh]

Originally posted by Guitar Shark
True, but NY is a fairly progressive state compared to much of the rest of the country. And there was already a solid precedent for electing females and minorities to Congress - I think POTUS is a different animal altogether.

I hope I am wrong, but I'm afraid I'm not.

Perhaps.

But she won in what is considered to be a solidly (socially) conservative part of NY, upstate, including in blue collar Buffalo...

[Nickdfresh]

This just in: Barrack Obama is leading Clinton by 30 to 26 in likely Iowa Caucus voters...

[FORD]

I think the audience-stuffing tactics at the Vegas debate has backfired against Hillary.

It reminded too many people of Chimp rallies with closed guest lists. or even worse.....

[Nickdfresh]

I doubt that. I saw an explanation that the whole audience thing was more a statement on perceived "negative campaigning."

[LoungeMachine]

Originally posted by FORD

This pic could be titled: Future West Wing Staffers

[Nickdfresh]

Obama, Clinton Tied in New Hampshire

6 hours ago

THE RACE: The presidential race for Democrats and Republicans in New Hampshire

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THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS (CNN/WMUR)

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 31 percent

Barack Obama, 30 percent

John Edwards, 16 percent

Bill Richardson, 7 percent

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS (CNN/WMUR)

Mitt Romney, 32 percent

Rudy Giuliani, 19 percent

John McCain, 19 percent

Mike Huckabee, 9 percent

Ron Paul, 7 percent

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OF INTEREST:

After months of leading the Democratic field in New Hampshire, New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton is effectively tied with Illinois Sen. Barack Obama. Clinton had a 14-point lead in the same poll last month. Television talk show star Oprah Winfrey held big campaign events for Obama while the poll was being conducted, including one in New Hampshire Dec. 9. Among Republicans, former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee has been surging in Iowa and nationally, but remains in single digits in New Hampshire. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney has a 13-point lead over his nearest rivals, former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani and Arizona Sen. John McCain.

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The poll for CNN and Manchester, N.H., television station WMUR was of 354 likely Republican primary voters and 378 likely Democratic primary voters. The University of New Hampshire Survey Center conducted the telephone poll Dec. 6-10. It has a margin of sampling error of plus or minus 5 percentage points.

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THE NUMBERS - DEMOCRATS (Suffolk University/WHDH)

Hillary Rodham Clinton, 33 percent

Barack Obama, 26 percent

John Edwards, 15 percent

Bill Richardson, 5 percent

Undecided, 19 percent

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THE NUMBERS - REPUBLICANS (Suffolk University/WHDH)

Mitt Romney, 31 percent

John McCain, 19 percent

Rudy Giuliani, 17 percent

Mike Huckabee, 10 percent

Undecided, 12 percent

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OF INTEREST:

Both New Hampshire front-runners appear to be losing ground. Democratic New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton leads Illinois Sen. Barack Obama by 7 percentage points, compared with a 12-percentage-point lead a month ago. Although talk show star Oprah Winfrey recently held campaign events for Obama, 97 percent of likely Democratic primary voters said her support would not sway their decision.

On the Republican side, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney holds a 12-percentage-point lead over his nearest challenger, compared with a 19-percentage-point lead a month ago. Arizona Sen. John McCain and New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani are battling for second place. Former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee made up ground.

The Suffolk University telephone poll for WHDH-TV in Boston was conducted Dec. 9 to 11 and polled 300 likely Republican primary voters and 300 likely Democratic primary voters. The margin of sampling error for the Democrat and Republican samples was plus or minus 5.65 percentage points.

[FORD]

Richardson has been sounding more and more like a populist candidate lately, and less like his old buddies in the DLC.

This may not be a 2 - horse race regardless of what the whore media wants.

I just hope that both Kucinich and Richardson make their cases at the debate tomorrow, forcing their way into camera time if they have to.