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    Question Is Dave's solo career in the same league as Van Halen?

    No. Dave's music is good stuff, but Van Halen is timeless, classic, magical, amazing etc.. It blows my mind to hear people actually compare Dave's solo stuff to Classic Van Halen. It's a goddamn joke. Not even in the same sport! What do you think?
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    EEAS is on par with classic Van Halen and way better than anything VH have done or will do without him.
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    Originally posted by secrets
    EEAS is on par with classic Van Halen and way better than anything VH have done or will do without him.
    I'm not talking about Van Hagar. Everytime I ask a question.....people always stray off into Van Hagar territory or just act like faggots bashing Sam. EEAS was a great piece of work, but come on.........it is no where near any of the "six pack" songs.

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    No doubt in my mind that EEAS has the same timeless, classic, magical, amazing etc...as the six pack...LISTEN TO IT LOUD...in fact it has more quality songs then 1984. I know other people like the whole 1984 album, but for me, after Jump, which was a great song, but more of a cultural phenomena, Panama and Hot for Teacher the Album is not up to par with the other 5 albums or EEAS. Dont forget Crazy from the Heat. Calfornia Girls and Just a Gigalo come on.

    ...but after that? YOU HAVE TO SEPERATE THE MUSIC FROM THE CAREER. There were lots of great songs in the following albums, but Dave wasn't interested in being popular on someone else's terms. The music world changed and Dave didn't MUCH RESPECT FOR THAT.

    But you have to look at more than just that!!!

    You want to put Dave down because his solo stuff itsn't on par with Classic Van Halen? WHOS CAREER CAN YOU COMPARE WITH CLASSIC VAN HALEN? Sammys? Planet Us? Eddies movie score?

    So thats why people bring Van Hagar into it and Van Hagars success was built on a name. The name Dave chose for the group...Van Halen. Then they figured out that you could sell some records with power ballads and love songs and did just that.

    All in all as I think about it, a silly question
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    Nothing will ever be the same as Classic VH, but Dave's solo stuff is closer to it than Van Hagar.
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    I prefer EEAS over 1984, truth be told.

    DLR Band was also a great effort. Most of Dave's solo stuff recaptures the same feel and produces the same emotions for me that classic Van Halen did, and I was into classic Van Halen for Eddie's guitar work as much as what Roth was doing.

    I see more of a link in terms of the spirit, musical style and intensity with what Roth did as a solo act and classic Van Halen than I do with what Van Halen did with either Sammy or Gary fronting Halen.

    In terms of solo Roth and the 6 pack of classic Van Halen, 1984 for me was a weak album. EEAS will always spend more time in my disc player than Van Halen's last full-length effort with Roth.
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    Skyscraper is better than any Van Halen album ever recorded - including Fair Warning, VH I, and 1984.
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    Originally posted by cwsmith17
    EEAS was a great piece of work, but come on.........it is no where near any of the "six pack" songs.
    Isn't it? Well if EEAS isn't close to early Van Halen, what is? As I've said b4 EEAS is on par with early Van Halen and in places maybe better than some of the later stuff w/Roth.

    Vai and Sheehan together were absolutely amazing. Dave's vocals are great. This album is just incredible from start to finish. To me it just hasn't dated at all, perhaps only slightly, in that you don't hear playing of that calibre anymore in mainstream rock music.

    IMO this album is comparible with VH classics such as Fair Warning.
    No one can replace EVH he is (or should I say was?) amazing but EEAS has a unique sound that is full of energy just like those early VH records.
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    Originally posted by smaz
    Nothing will ever be the same as Classic VH, but Dave's solo stuff is closer to it than Van Hagar.
    No doubt.

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    Originally posted by dave_is_vh
    Skyscraper is better than any Van Halen album ever recorded - including Fair Warning, VH I, and 1984.
    Absolutely no way is it. It's a good album but not in the same league as Fair Warning. Explain your theory.

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    Originally posted by dave_is_vh
    Skyscraper is better than any Van Halen album ever recorded - including Fair Warning, VH I, and 1984.
    You are kidding right?

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    Originally posted by cwsmith17
    EEAS was a great piece of work, but come on.........it is no where near any of the "six pack" songs.
    I consider EEAS part of the "seven pack."

    Yeah, it is that damn good and completely "feels" like what a "classic" VH CD should be.

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    Originally posted by secrets
    Absolutely no way is it. It's a good album but not in the same league as Fair Warning. Explain your theory.
    Since Skyscaper is not typical Roth Rock, many fans do not like it as much. It is not Dave trying to recreate Van Halen. It is Dave being a futuristic Dave. And a lot of VH fans have heart attacks when they hear keyboards. I like keyboards. So since this CD sounds like a futuristic movie soundtrack at times, many of the closed minded Roth fans do not fully appreciate it.

    Anyone who does not have a preconcieved notion of what Dave is and listened to all of Dave's CDs (including those Dave CDs with EVH on guitar) would undoubtedly pick Skyscraper as the best Dave or VH CD ever.

    If you don't agree you are a closed minded mettle head.

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    classic van halen shits on everything
    its the best shit there is
    eeas was great but dont compare it to hall of fame rock and roll
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    Dave's whole schtick is his and his alone. He was the part of VAN HALEN that made it VAN HALEN. If you have any pre-conceived notions about Dave that hold merit, you would know beyond the shadow of a doubt that he could give a fuck less about making a "VH" type recording. I like Dave's solo efforts but they're not like VAN HALEN recordings. ALAE was the end of an "era"....probably the best example, IMO, the "era" VAN HALEN created...not sounded like.
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    EEAS kicks 1984s ass. And it has the indefinable sense of genuine cool and fun that has eluded every post-Roth album VH have shat out like some dying incontinent fucking wilderbeast with the clap.

    And to continue the theme of pointless insults in place of reasoned arguments, anyone who disagrees with the above statement has very small genitals indeed.

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    I have to say that I prefer EEAS to 1984 too.
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    i don't know...A Little Ain't Enough is my favorite Dave solo work. But DLR band...i would say that was the best Van Halen record since 1984. it can really be compared to the older stuff. it's just a great meat-and-potatoes hard-rock album...just like the original six-pack. it fits right in.
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    Come to think of it, I prefer the DLR Band to 1984 along with EEAS.

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    dont think so but he's still one of a kind
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    EEAS and DLR Band better than the First Six?!?

    Wow. I'm staggered by the replies here. ...and i like those albums a lot.

    It's completely delusional to imagine what Eddie and Dave did together is approachable by any of their releases afterwards.

    What the hell is this? The twilight zone?

    You guys gotta quit jerking off to that little hole in those CDs and actually listen to the stuff. (shaking my head) Wow.
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    Originally posted by Hollywood Jesus
    EEAS and DLR Band better than the First Six?!?

    Wow. I'm staggered by the replies here. ...and i like those albums a lot.

    It's completely delusional to imagine what Eddie and Dave did together is approachable by any of their releases afterwards.

    What the hell is this? The twilight zone?

    You guys gotta quit jerking off to that little hole in those CDs and actually listen to the stuff. (shaking my head) Wow.
    hey buddy, i never said that they were better, i just said that dlr band is the best van halen record since 1984...meaning that it was a better album than anything van halen did since 1984. meaning that it comes closer to the original six pack than anything van halen did since 1984. my statement was simply a comparison. dlr band is way better than, say, ou8 my balls!! like "feels so good" is better than "relentless"??? yeah right!!!

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    Dave's stuff is good, but it lacks the input from eddie that made Van Halen so special. That's partly why EEAS was so good, because it was Vai and Dave together. It seemed that by Skyscraper, Dave had sole control of everything (not that i don't like skyscraper). It's the mix of Dave and Eddie or Vai that made those albums good. That's the key to any successful band. The lead singer and the guitarist collaborate. It worked for Zeppelin and worked for VH. Now I'm not saying that the other members did nothing, but what Dave and EVH or Vai did together was amazing. What he did with Eddie was better why? Because of the tension. He had little tension with Vai that's why his early solo stuff isn't as good as the tension he had between himself and Edward Van Halen.
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    Eat 'em and Weep

    Folks, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that Dave's worst solo effort is as good or BETTER than ANY Van Hagar product. I've been saying that sh*t for years, but here's the thing... WHEN THE F*CK IS EDDIE GONNA FIGURE THAT OUT?!?!? F-Eddie.... by the way, I heard "It's About Time" and it sux. Sammy can lick my blue balls til they're f-ing YELLOW. F-Sammy too.
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    Roth's solo output has the same spirit and rocks with as much intensity as classic Van Halen once did. Hard to compare and say which one is better. I get the same enjoyment out of Dave's solo material that I got out of the classic VH albums.

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    Dave solo is enjoyable but nowhere near Van Halen. Not even close.
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    Dave solo is Dave solo, and Classic Van Halen is unbeatable.

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    Van HALEN was all about the chemistry between Dave & Eddie. Period.

    So obviously, neither one is going to make a record that sounds entirely like Van HALEN without the other.

    Having said that, let me also say that if Van HALEN had released their 7th album in 1986, it would have sounded a HELL of a lot closer to EEAS than 5150
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    Disagree. EEAS, almost tune for tune, blows 1984 out of the water.

    1984..............Yankee Rose - No contest. Talkin' bout it!
    Jump.............ShyBoy - Not even close. ShyBoy in a walk.
    Panama.........I'm Easy - I'm Easy is good for what it is,
    but Panama walks all over it
    Top Jimmy....Ladie's Night In Buffalo ......A draw
    Drop Dead Legs...Goin' Crazy - Will give a slight edge to Legs
    Hot For Teacher...Tobacco Road - Same for teacher
    I'll Wait........Elephant Gun - I'll Wait is as close to disposable
    as classic Van Halen came. Elephant
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    down bigtime
    Girl Gone Bad......Big Trouble - Will give Trouble the edge here
    House Of Pain......Bump and Grind - House of Pain takes this one
    ......That's Life - Roth's MO in a nutshell.

    1984 has got 4 slamming tracks (Drop Dead Legs, Hot For Teacher,
    Girl Gone Bad, House of Pain)
    couple of solid rockers (Top Jimmy, Panama), and 3 bits of fluff (1984, Jump, I'll Wait)

    EEAS has 6 slamming tracks (Yankee Rose, ShyBoy, Ladie's Night In Buffalo, Tobacco Road, Elephant Gun, Big Trouble) couple of solid rock tunes (Goin' Crazy, Bump and Grind) and a couple of big band sendups (I'm Easy, That's Life).

    Last album of the 7-pack indeed

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    agreed that 1984 was really bottoming out. But still no comparision between either after product and the real deal.

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    Originally posted by FORD
    Van HALEN was all about the chemistry between Dave & Eddie. Period.

    So obviously, neither one is going to make a record that sounds entirely like Van HALEN without the other.

    Having said that, let me also say that if Van HALEN had released their 7th album in 1986, it would have sounded a HELL of a lot closer to EEAS than 5150
    Dunno. Ed's style was getting soft on 1984. No way MA was gonna put bass lines down like Sheehan did. AVH and Bissonette-no tremendous difference there, but AVH and those electronic drums......

    The hard edge for EVH was getting dull by the time 1984 came around.

    Think it came down to Roth listening to what Eddie was writing when they began work on their 7th album and realizing EVH had shot his wad and was more interested in fobbing off top 40 pop rock tunes than creating legendary music.

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    No reason to argue over Classic or Solo cd's.

    I prefer DLR's solo career over Classic VH but who cares......I'd rather have 15 cd's to listen to that show how Dave lived his life.

    Dave has kept the same style over the years, from singing songs like You Really Got Me, Dance the Night Away, Where have all the good times gone, Big Bad Bill, Top Jimmy, Just a Gigolo, CFG, That's Life, Damn Good Times, Tell The Truth, YFLM, Going Places, Let it All hang out........Dave has told many stories along the way...Most people just want to listen to his early life.....but I'd rahter listen to it all.

    EEAS is far better in my opinion then all the rest because Dave had 100 percent fun on that record and it shows in the ARTWORK, MUSIC, and Videos....

    Cheers to DLR for giving us some great years of music, not like Mr Heineken.

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    Nothing compares to the rock and roll sound of any of the first six albums. After 84 things went sappy for Van Hagar. Dave took a different turn. He kept the edge. The rock sound that made classic VH what it was. It's really a shame that Ed doesn't understand the value of making great music as compared to #1 hits and bank accounts. His character has been on trial for the last 20 years and we are the Judge, Jury and Executioner. The execution in this case is hanging Ed by the "bottoming out record sales noose" that he's in. If I were needing to choose, Id take classic VH including demo's and unreleased material over Dave's solo career. IF I had to choose. But I don't. I rock to all!
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    Originally posted by dave_is_vh
    Skyscraper is better than any Van Halen album ever recorded - including Fair Warning, VH I, and 1984.
    yea ok

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    “ Originally posted by dave_is_vh
    Skyscraper is better than any Van Halen album ever recorded - including Fair Warning, VH I, and 1984. ”

    What the fuck? Im the biggest Dave follower in the world, but dude....You need fucking help! You better play FW, 1 and 1984 again...then ply Skyscraper. Big fucking difference! shit.....

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