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    Paul Stanley to leave Kiss

    Have not seen this anywhere else...may be BS.

    http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...012327,00.html


    Paul Stanley to leave Kiss


    PAUL Stanley may be made for loving you. Just not forever. As the 56-year-old singer/guitarist prepares to once again bring his band's glam-rock party to these shores, Stanley has some news which will leave Kiss Army troopers shell-shocked.

    The pouty-lipped, make-up clad Starchild confesses his touring days with Kiss may soon be numbered.

    "I really, firmly believe there will come a time when the band will continue without me," Stanley says. Shock. And yes, horror.

    While this might have some fans shedding silvery-red tears over their vinyl editions of Kiss's iconic Dynasty album, Stanley insists that his departure would not necessarily spell the end for the band. He believes he is entirely replaceable.

    "Some people can't imagine it without me, but I'm here to tell you, I can. There is somebody out there with the same amount of passion and the same amount of drive," he says. "Which is not to say I wouldn't want to have creative control."

    Certainly, Kiss has changed its line-up over the years. Original members Peter Criss and Ace Frehley have been replaced, variously, by Eric Carr, Vinnie Vincent, Mark St. John and Bruce Kulick.

    Currently, the band consists of Stanley, Gene Simmons, Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer.

    But Stanley and Simmons, who formed the band in 1973, in New York, have always been the constants. Admittedly, Stanley's health has deteriorated over the years. He has had hip surgery and prior to a show in July last year was hospitalised with a rapid heartbeat. It was the first time Kiss had ever performed as a three-piece.

    In Stanley's eyes, at least, Kiss is bigger than any one member of the band. Bigger than just a band, Kiss is a philosophy.

    "I think Kiss is more about a point of view, about a respect for fans and about a loyalty and a direction much more than it is the people in the band," he explains.

    "We don't follow the same rules as other bands. I can't live within the boundaries people set for me. I believe Kiss is founded on something so solid that it will continue to live on, the way a football team continues.

    "There have been great players, but there will always be other players."

    But for the moment, Stanley is staying put. This definitely isn't any sort of farewell tour, if such a thing really exists.

    He is excited to be coming back to Australia only a year after he was here as part of a solo tour for his album, Live To Win.

    "At this point in my life I wouldn't do anything that wouldn't excite me," he says.

    Stanley first toured with the band here in 1980. And he has had a love affair with the country ever since, an affection extending to Kiss performing with the Melbourne Symphony Orchestra in Melbourne in 2004.

    "There have always been amazing women and friendships and amazing food and some of the best wines in the world," he says.

    "Over the years people's expectations have just got higher. So when I go out there I want to make sure we are every bit living up to the legend of Kiss.

    "I think our fans understand how important it is for us to live up to what we have done in the past and making sure that nobody is disappointed. But they know we wouldn't be there unless we were going to deliver the goods."

    The goods, in this case, happen to be a catalogue of hits including Rock And Roll All Nite, I Was Made For Loving You and Detroit Rock City, which have helped the band sell 90 million records worldwide.

    There's no new stuff to speak of, apart from the Kissology DVD. But hey, as with most bands which trade heavily on nostalgia, who needs new material when you have the hits? Of course, the two calling the shots on stage are Stanley and Simmons. The pair have had their differences over the years and, at least from what is presented to the public, seem diametrically opposed personality types.

    Stanley prefers the private life away from Kiss and has taken to painting.

    Simmons has a burgeoning career outside the band as a reality TV star, having been the mentor on Rock School and the star of his own show, Family Jewels.

    "I think we think of ourselves as brothers. Brothers means you can never get rid of each other, even when you want to," Stanley says. "We go about ourselves very differently. What we choose to put at the forefront or publicise is very different.

    "Certainly, one of us spends quite a bit of time telling the world that he's the genius behind the band. This didn't happen because of a single person. It is the combustibility and the chemistry of people who don't necessarily view things from the same perspective which makes Kiss."

    Stanley says the common ground is definitely the group itself.

    "We tend to put our egos aside when it comes to making decisions for the band.".

    * Kiss perform at Acer Arena on March 20

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    Hard to imagine Kiss going on with just Gene, Peter wanna be and Ace I wish I was...

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    So in essence Kiss would become a Tribute Band if Gene and Paul eventually leave but the difference would be they get to keep the name Kiss.

    It would be a unique situation and I can’t think of another band that has gone on without any original members as an established band. I’m sure there are some.

    When Gene and Paul were able to take Peter and Ace’s stage makeup/personas and use them I wondered if people would accept it. They did and it’s not a big deal anymore. Gene is the PT Barnum of rock n roll so I could see Kiss going on without Gene and Paul. Kiss is a brand name as Gene has said many times.

    Wow, what a trip that would be.
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    They wanna be like the Globetrotters.

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    The greedy old hags should've packed it in YEEEEARS AGO !

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    Originally posted by diamondjimi
    The greedy old hags should've packed it in YEEEEARS AGO !

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    Never had a lot of respect for them after I found out the classic
    Kiss Alive was a studio album with an audience added.
    Gene Simmons admitted it.
    They tried to record a live album but their sloppy live performances
    couldn't be fixed even with studio magic.
    How many times has Kiss retired already , A thousand?
    They were considered "uncool" and a "teeny boppers"
    band after that stupid "Phantom of the Park"movie .
    Can't believe they were considered "metal"in the 80s.
    They did have a couple memorable tunes , though.
    I still crank "Rock and Roll all nite" when I hear it.
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    Anything less than 3 of the 4 originals is not Kiss.
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    Are ticket sales down??..this comes off as bullshit to sell some seats for the upcoming shows to me..

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    I could totally see Gene and Paul thinking it would be a good idea to opt out of actually playing live with the band, getting two other people up there in the makeup while they sit back and retain control of the band and the lion's share of the loot.

    The only incarnation of the band I have any use for is the definitive lineup with Stanley, Criss, Frehley and Simmons. There were some decent tunes done by other KISS lineups, but for me the band really peaked in 1978. The reunion tour that started in 1996 was a good idea and was carried off well (save for the Psycho Circus album), but they should have just left well enough alone after Criss packed it in.

    Suppose people will still pay money to see the group regardless of Stanley being there or not, but I honestly wouldn't be bothered even if Criss and Frehley rejoined Stanley and Simmons at this point: it's all been done before...and redone...the group has nothing left to say or do that's new, and no real function other than to slap a KISS logo on whatever and make more money. 'KISS' these days exists for little more than to replentish Stanley and Simmons' coffers, and that's fine if people want to keep giving them dough, but I'm pretty much all done with it (unless they come out with some really cool old extras on KISSOLOGY 4, that is).
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    That would be too watered down even for the hard core guys.

    No Gene, NO KISS. NO ONE wants to see some tribute band. A lot of people don't even want to see the real thing anymore.

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    Maybe they can get away with replacing a drummer and guitarist, but Gene and Paul are KISS.

    Paul is the voice.

    Irreplaceable to them.

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    My thoughts exactly...

    As much as I like the Ace Kiss they have put out some real decent stuff without him.

    Lose Gene or Paul and you have lost too much.

    As earlier posted...I could see this as a way of stirring up some ticket sales....make people think this is the last chance.

    I could also see this as a way of feeling out the public...while a new Kiss album would not be something big...a good double or triple bill tour with 2 headliners could work very well.

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    This is old news...Paul and Gene started talking about Kiss going on without them three or four years back. Of course, it's going to happen...Tommy Thayer and Eric Singer will go on with two new guys and that'll be that...

    Watch it happen.
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    Kiss as a brand rather than a band....

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    Re: Paul Stanley to leave Kiss

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    'bout fucking time.





    Nothing worse than the clown who doesnt realize it's time to leave the party.....
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    Originally posted by Little Lamont
    They wanna be like the Globetrotters.

    Lean (well maybe not.)., mean, money makin machines...
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    Very few people would pay to see that....
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    3/16/08 Melbourne ING F1 Grand Prix
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    I'm calling bullshit on this. Gene and Paul are both intelligent enough to know that Kiss without either of them isn't Kiss anymore. They're touring now. People are still filling in the seats.

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    How many times do you think Gene has tried to talk Paul into going into space on a KISS rocket? Just for profit. Like, he'd pitch it as a sound venture citing brilliant rocket scientists working on it and shit. He probably just wants to blow Paul Stanley up like a giant bottle rocket!!

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    Paul Stanley to leave Kiss ?


    Ahhh gimme a minute


    let me put it to you another way
    who cares

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    Originally posted by binnie
    Very few people would pay to see that....
    Yeah, but with all the merchandise money they wouldn't even notice.

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    Originally posted by ThrillsNSpills
    Paul Stanley to leave Kiss ?


    Ahhh gimme a minute


    let me put it to you another way
    who cares
    DOES seem like this kind of news is a bit past it in terms of having any real impact...

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    I think people would come out to see it initally, and probably in BIG droves, just to see the novelty of it. The one conceivable upshot is that, while playing in makeup, the entire catalog would be open to be played, not just classic vs. un-makeuped stuff...and potentially there could be more "licensed" Kiss music on the way written by guys who actually care about the music still and are in it for the musical aspect of living the dream, so to speak...

    That is, of course, if Gene and Paul say "OK, you guys are now officially Kiss - we're taking half the money, but you can write the music and play whatever you want live."

    Which is, you know...a BIG doubtful.

    The downside to all of this is, of course, that's it gay. But the point remains, I think people would be pretty interested in it for a while just because of the shock value.

    Frankly, in a perfect world, Paul, Ace, Gene and Peter would reconvene and do an open air concert in central park, do it as a PPV, and have that be their be all-end all final bow in public, then just retire and live on the 8%.

    In a perfect world.

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    The downside to all of this is, of course, that's it gay.
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    I'm a huge KISS fan, but they have finally crossed the line. I saw that they added Shock Me to the European set list with Thayer on vocals. That is sacred Ace ground. It's one this to mimic his moves and wear the costume, but now singing his marquee song. shame
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    Not a big deal.
    They should have packed it in years ago.
    Gene seems more interested in being on TV than anything??
    Ace is doing the solo Bar Tour-Wooooo!
    They should fade away while their legacy is still somewhat positive.

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    I actually would not mind seeing that Ace tour at all.....

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    Originally posted by indeedido
    I'm a huge KISS fan, but they have finally crossed the line. I saw that they added Shock Me to the European set list with Thayer on vocals. That is sacred Ace ground. It's one this to mimic his moves and wear the costume, but now singing his marquee song. shame
    Well, you can't rightly blame Tommy for that. Blame Gene and Paul, they're the ones that decide all that...they point Tommy in a general direction and he does what he's told.

    Defeating that, Tommy's a hell of a nice guy in person and one of the biggest Kiss-heads I've ever met...

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    Originally posted by WACF
    I actually would not mind seeing that Ace tour at all.....
    It's only 20 bucks in my area.

    I don't plan on going.

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    Originally posted by MERRYKISSMASS2U
    It's only 20 bucks in my area.

    I don't plan on going.
    maybe a good idea...

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    Isn't he supposed to be off of all that stuff now?

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    peter going nuts backstage...funny...

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    some brave man at the hospital...R.I.P.

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    Ace is supposed to be sober now....I have spent 20 in much worse spots.

    Either way...he won't be comming here so I will not have to worry about it anyways.

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    Last Post: 06-14-2005, 12:55 AM

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