OK, I hear some of you saying to me, "Bush this, Bush that, Bush is to blame for everything Kwame".........In the spirit of open and honest exchange and the fact that every other post I make, I have to back up with facts.......now it's your turn.......
What 10 things did Bush get right?
Don't even give me the no terra-ist attacks bullshit.....terra-ist attacks world wide went up 300% while Bush was President.
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I did this same thread 4 years ago.......
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Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.
They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.
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kwame k (02-11-2009)
Originally Posted by kwame k
Ill be the first to say. While yes, terrorist attacks went up 300% in other counties, The USA has not been attacked. Bush was President of the USA, not the world. I see this because we forced them to have to defend themselves in their backyard so they couldn't roam free and plan more attacks here.
This one thing he did was the best thing he ever did. I don't live in another country. If some far away wherever gets attacked, it's not gonna stop business in this country. The other way around, we all were part of what happened.
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Nope.....you didn't back it up with facts and links.......show me one credible report or link..........By Bush's own admission....."This is a Global War on Terra" his words dude.
He's already admitted he doesn't deal with "facts", only opinions.
Facts seem to trip him up, and then I get accused of twisting his words.
OMG........in backward World......he's some help....of course this is everything Bush did wrong but in backward Land we'll replace wrong with "right"
LinkThe postmortems on the presidency of George W. Bush are all wrong. The liberal line is that Bush dangerously weakened America's position in the world and rushed to the aid of the rich and powerful as income inequality worsened. That is twaddle. Conservatives--okay, not all of them--have only been a little bit kinder. They give Bush credit for the surge that saved Iraq, but not for much else.
He deserves better. His presidency was far more successful than not. And there's an aspect of his decision-making that merits special recognition: his courage. Time and time again, Bush did what other presidents, even Ronald Reagan, would not have done and for which he was vilified and abused. That--defiantly doing the right thing--is what distinguished his presidency.
Bush had ten great achievements (and maybe more) in his eight years in the White House, starting with his decision in 2001 to jettison the Kyoto global warming treaty so loved by Al Gore, the environmental lobby, elite opinion, and Europeans. The treaty was a disaster, with India and China exempted and economic decline the certain result. Everyone knew it. But only Bush said so and acted accordingly.
He stood athwart mounting global warming hysteria and yelled, "Stop!" He slowed the movement toward a policy blunder of worldwide impact, providing time for facts to catch up with the dubious claims of alarmists. Thanks in part to Bush, the supposed consensus of scientists on global warming has now collapsed. The skeptics, who point to global cooling over the
past decade, are now heard loud and clear. And a rational approach to the theory of manmade global warming is possible.
Second, enhanced interrogation of terrorists. Along with use of secret prisons and wireless eavesdropping, this saved American lives. How many thousands of lives? We'll never know. But, as Charles Krauthammer said recently, "Those are precisely the elements which kept us safe and which have prevented a second attack."
Crucial intelligence was obtained from captured al Qaeda leaders, including 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, with the help of waterboarding. Whether this tactic--it creates a drowning sensation--is torture is a matter of debate. John McCain and many Democrats say it is. Bush and Vice President Cheney insist it isn't. In any case, it was necessary. Lincoln once made a similar point in defending his suspension of habeas corpus in direct defiance of Chief Justice Roger Taney. "Are all the laws but one to go unexecuted, and the government itself go to pieces, lest that one be violated?" Lincoln asked. Bush understood the answer in wartime had to be no.
Bush's third achievement was the rebuilding of presidential authority, badly degraded in the era of Vietnam, Watergate, and Bill Clinton. He didn't hesitate to conduct wireless surveillance of terrorists without getting a federal judge's okay. He decided on his own how to treat terrorists and where they should be imprisoned. Those were legitimate decisions for which the president, as commander in chief, should feel no need to apologize.
Defending, all the way to the Supreme Court, Cheney's refusal to disclose to Congress the names of people he'd consulted on energy policy was also enormously important. Democratic congressman Henry Waxman demanded the names, but the Court upheld Cheney, 7-2. Last week, Cheney defended his refusal, waspishly noting that Waxman "doesn't call me up and tell me who he's meeting with."
Well, Moderator.....Moderate.......no posts on the 10 things Bush got right that don't have links or verifiable facts.He's already admitted he doesn't deal with "facts", only opinions.
Facts seem to trip him up, and then I get accused of twisting his words.
You are telling me to back up my post with the fact that this country hasn't been attacked since 911. Gee, were do i find the facts on that.
Were the Anthrax attacks on US Congressmen not terrorism?
I'm not going to edit or delete posts, unless they contain personal information, gay porn, or blatant racist terms.
It's up to you to own these fools.
Were the Anthrax attacks on US Congressmen not terrorism?
I think you're reaching dude.
It's easier to think of 100 things Bush did wrong than 10 things he did right.
I consider myself a patriot and I used to consider myself a republican. I even voted for Bush the 1st Election.
I honestly think he was the worst President in the history of the United States and what he did to this country will take years to recover, if we ever do.
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How so?
How is a biological attack on US Congressman NOT "terrorism"???
Is it because the perps are white?
To you, only those dark people are terrorists?
That being said, I supported his policies when he was Commander in Chief, but he isn't Commander in Chief anymore.
And this from a man who was on the Front Lines of this supposed "war on terror"
Thanks for the post, boss.
I'm 40 yrs. old and i can't even commit to a statement like this. I don't know your age, but there have been plenty of president's that suck. Depends on you're point if view.
Nixon, Carter, come to my mind right away. i would have to say that both Bush's would fall right in place. they weren't Reagan by a long shot.
You really can consider every crime that happens to be a terroist attack. It doesn't have to be on the lvl of 911. So i will give you the anthrax thing.How so?
How is a biological attack on US Congressman NOT "terrorism"???
Is it because the perps are white?
To you, only those dark people are terrorists?
With that said, i wasn't talking about homegrown, i was talking about foreign attacks.
Please explain to me how Nixon and Carter were worse than Bush for our country.
I am not going to make a case for those guys being the best, I am asking you to name someone who has been more destructive to the US than "W"?
LoungeMachine (02-11-2009)
Simply because this country has been attacked, since. As Lounge has stated.....there's more....here's a riddle.........How can the United States of America, outside of the United States of America, own land that is still considered American soil?
LinkYemen - US Embassy Terror Attack Leaves Several Dead, Injured
I usually don't comment at all on political items, mainly because I am a commissioned officer in the military and this is a public forum.
I find it rather hard to defend Bush.
There is a reason why we are in the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression, and it's because the nation has been on Auto-Pilot for the last 8 years.
3 Trillion Dollars Spent in Iraq, The Whole Hurricane Katrina Debacle, Mismanaging the war, Bush's role in the Valerie Plame leak affair, Guantanamo bay .. it goes on an on!
It's really a shame the mess we are in! The majority of this could have been avoided with some intelligent leadership.
Not everything was Bush's fault, but he shares the brunt of this.
Angel (02-11-2009),FORD (02-11-2009),LoungeMachine (02-11-2009)
Agreed.......nothing is as simple or black and white as.... it's all his fault. Many factors come into play.......Valid point.
When I, and many of us say "Bush's Fault", we're naturally looking and pointing fingers at those he appointed, and surrounded himself with.
Doug Feith and Paul Wolfowitz, but he FIRES Gen Eric Shinsecki, as an example...
FORD (02-11-2009)
Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and forces Colin Powell out.
I met Gen Shinsecki last year when he came to our post for Asian American Heritage. He is a cool guy. I used to harbor ill will against him for making us change from softcaps to beret's..
I also attended a Townhall meeting today with LTG Jack C. Stultz (Chief of Army Reserves) and LTG Clyde Vaughn (Director of the Army National Guard)
That is a total of 6 stars
Anyways.. they said they were told not to expect a significant drawdown in troops for another 24 months.
Not trying to sound important. Anyone could attend the townhall meeting.
Breasts,
LoungeMachine (02-11-2009)
I'm trying to see you're point of view. If you are basing you're opinion on the Iraq war, didn't Kennedy get us into Vietnam, which was way worse than what's happening now.
Carter, had the economic, energy and his foriegn policies that had his rating's below Nixon.
Nixon had the still lingering of the Vietnam war and being the only prseident to resign from office.
Every president had their good and bad momnets in history. Bush definitly won't be recieving any awards for being the most liked president at home or abroad, that's for sure.
But the worst in history, i guess only time will tell.
Why is this - TROLL - still allowed to post here .I did this same thread 4 years ago.......
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Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.
They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.
Get back to your trailor ...I heard Mill Best is on sale..hmm what else ..
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let's see..
TROLL!! Beer, Trailor,..... lil help......?// LOL:tongue0011:
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Nope.....Truman started the ball rolling in Vietnam....Link
I did this same thread 4 years ago.......
:crickets:
Finally BT stepped up and had the balls to post, but even then it was pretty faint praise at best.
They'll point to no "terrorist attack" on US soil since 9/11, ignoring the Anthrax deaths, and attacks on US Congressmen, and the fact we've lost over 4,200 brave men and women, 10's of thousands scarred for life, 100's of thousands of civilans killed, billions wasted, and still we have unsecure borders, food supplies, nuclear faciclities, and ports.
And all this combined was nothing more than a pimple on a nats ass when compared to just one week during WWII.
Get over yourself, you're not part of some great liberal generation movement.
Shit like this has been happening for a long time.
I guess you are one of those people that raise's a flag in one hand and then want's to sign a bill reducing the amount of funding the miltitary gets.
Talk about being a hyprocrit.
There you go again with your links and facts.......
That may be true, but Kennedy didn't listen to all the people saying that America would get stuck in Vietnam and kept pouring in money and troops. Kinda like how Bush didn't back down from his stance on Iraq.
As bad as this may sound, Kennedy got lucky. If he had not been assassinated, he would have been sharing the spot with bush as the worst president in history.
WTF are you even talking about now?
You know, you have a habit of telling people what they must think, when you can't even compose your OWN thoughts into coherent sentences.
You get your facts wrong, and when presented with evidence, you fall back on the "I'm too busy with my businesses to look it up" bullshit.
And it's hypcorite, with an E, moron. That's the 3rd time you've posted that, so you can't claim typo.
Look, you're a moron. You don't know what you're talking about, and you can deny it all you want, I KNOW you listen to Rush/Hannity/Savage all day long.
You spout "Liberal Elite" without even know what you mean.
It's a sad day when the Republican Party is represented in here by the likes of you.
At least Warham, Brian, Catherdal knew what the fuck they were talking about.
Jesus on a Triscuit, you're just plain dumb. Boring, repetitive, and dumb.
Since you seem to be so good at digging up facts. I figure you will just look up the shit to prove me wrong anyway.There you go again with your links and facts.......
BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU SAID KENNEDY GO US INTO VIET NAM
Or am I "twisting your words again? Let's check:
Idiot.
It's not that hard.
Nope.......LinkI was therefore excited and intrigued when, two years ago, a potentially definitive document on JFK’s Vietnam plans turned up during the processing of the papers of Evelyn Lincoln, his personal secretary. The item in question, a crumpled onionskin carbon copy, contained the typed transcript of a tape-recorded telephone conversation. Hundreds of pages of these transcripts are conserved in the library’s archives, and their appearance and format are immediately recognizable. The date, October 1, 1963, is in Evelyn Lincoln’s handwriting, and the typed text reads:
President: Yes, Secretary Vance.
Vance: We would like to come over this noon, General Wheeler and I, to discuss this proposed withdrawal plan.
President: I’ll be right here.
Vance: Fine, sir, I’ll see you then.
Why did I suspect that this document might be very important? First, there is the date: Robert McNamara has written that President Kennedy, at a National Security Council meeting on October 2, 1963, the day after this conversation apparently occurred, decided to pull U.S. forces out of Vietnam by the end of 1965 and to start the process by withdrawing a thousand troops before the end of 1963.
Inconclusive but Kennedy would have withdrawn.....before the end of his Presidency.
Because he's a damn good TROLL!
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BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT YOU SAID.
YOU SAID KENNEDY GO US INTO VIET NAM
Or am I "twisting your words again? Let's check:
Idiot.
Dipshit i didn't state that as a fact but more as a question. Even if Truman was the first to get involved with the French about Vietnam. It was Kennedy that didn't listen to all the people who said America would get stuck there, the same way Bush was told about Iraq.
See you are the biggest hypocrite with an E for the proffessor here. You want to trash Bush and his ways, yet when Kennedy had the same mindset it's ok in you're book.
Talk about an idiot, you are the poster boy for that.
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Nope reread http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=35
A triscuit?
Why not Jesus on a Disneyland Teacups Ride.. why not Jesus on the Moon Jesus..
Bush lined the pockets of his dad's crony's with no-bid contracts but at least they provided products and services.
The jealous Democrats now all want "in" on the endzone rush for the Taxpayer's money, once they seen Bushes run the tab up 3 trillion they wont' be satisfied till they get "their" 3 trillion.
Register and vote Independant!
I don't have to reread. The proof is that Kennedy sent troops to Vietnam with people around him saying it was a bad idea. The same way Bush stuck by his decision on Iraq.
Like i said, the article doesn't prove anything. Kennedy may have wanted to pull troops by 1963 but that's unproven. Who knows what would he would have had to do if he wouldn't have been assassinated.
the moral of the point i'm trying to make is that Kennedy did things his way because he thought they were just and right. the same thing that you guys are grilling Bush for.
This is the reason for me calling some of you hypocrite's with a E for the proffessor.
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