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    The Pedal Board Thread






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    Korg Pitch Black
    Dr Scientist Radical Red Reverberator
    Analogman Mini Chorus
    FOXROX Aquavibe
    Foxrox ZIM
    ZVEX Box of Rock
    Teese Wah
    Powered by a Pedal power Plus2
    Wired with Lavacable ELC

    I am really happy with this board. I can get any sound i want out of it.

    I have another pedalboard full of BYOC stuff I out together and Boss pedals, so don't think I am a tone snob!

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    Man, that's a big board in comparison to mine...



    A Gator Case Gig Box Jr.

    In order of the signal...
    Boss tuner
    Behringer HellBabe wah (cheap, but essential for those disco tunes)
    Ibanez Compressor II (100$...)
    Phase 90
    Digitech Chorus Factory (7 chorus pedals in one)
    Line 6 Echo Park

    Not connected: DigiTech Bad Monkey and a Yamaha Flanger

    All this powered by a One-Spot and a Boss wallwart. And it's STILL not enough juice...

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    I have about 60-70 pieces in my trunk, and I have 2 pedalboards with power, the SKB-PS15.

    It holds 6 or 7 fullsized pedals or about 4 to 5 big ones such as EH.

    I like the PS15's because they come with adaptor pigtails of every configuration battery you could want to replace with walwart supply. I like that its' base is Velcro loop-piled, and comes with the hook-pile component tapes you just cut peel and stick to the bottom of your boxes..

    SO that's why I have a pedalboard or two but don't: because the velcro lets me rip on off and plop another one down as a nobrainer reconfig if I want to play the chain-the-boxtrain game.. which I hardly ever do anymore.

    By now in my life, I know which box works after which box in order of the chain and having seen the Pedaltrain setup I knew immediately that's the future single replacement for the two SKB's.

    Like I stated before though, I'm pretty much a straight input guy yet sometimes I just gotta have a little pre-input boost, but I've almost always had my Ampcrazy modded wahs somewhere in the chain even if there's no pedalboard.

    I also have a Roger Mayer-Northstar Audio modded Vox circuit in one of my Dunlop wahs of which I have 3: one stock GCB-95, the Northstar, and a Dunlop Bass Wah.

    I'm fairly proud of the others: 4 Thomas Organ Sepulveda wah's (2 with the chocolate TDK square inductor I prefer, two with red Fasels I snatched out of a shit Silvertone electric organ). 1 is a stock TDK, one is a modded TDK, one has the standard weak Fasel and fourth one is a modded Fasel.

    As you could probably guess I've been fascinated with gain stages my whole life, so I've played around quite abit experimenting with the magical interaction of increasing the levels of gain before it hits the inductor. You can graph it, you can plot it, you can look at it on a scope and see what you calculate will actually show up as but nothing can replace the ear. And nothing you have modded can be calculated to determine how that gain interacts with all your possible amp combinations and settings, the ear does that best and we all love wasting hours and hours walking that path to find out - myself especially!

    I just have to feel that filtered "quock" sound, best expressed in the way you hear on UFO and MSG recordings (not that I'm anywhere near Schenker in proficiency) but there is absolutely nothing like that growl. Love it: "bruahhhhhh.." its like an old tractor idling.

    I rarely Disco-rock the wah, but if it's on I usually leave it rocked forward 70% travel to get like a 2db gain along with the growl from the filter cutting the mids that way like a tone control.
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    No ADA or MXR flangers, Sarge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    No ADA or MXR flangers, Sarge?

    I have the EVH flanger but it isn't on the board.


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    I have no big pedal board anymore , got an old Boss Distortion and a new metal zone left.

    I now use a Digitech gnx4 for everything.
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    "Timmy" is awaiting your comments!

    Is that a homebrew, GGG or smallbear fuzz face partskit clone I see?

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    Cool Here's mine...



    It's actually pretty simple... two effects and a tuner in front of the amp, three modulation effects running in the effects loop. The amp is still seeing a relatively clean signal coming in...

    Boss TU-2 tuner
    MXR Micro Amp
    Vox Wah
    ...these are run in front of my amp's input. Out of the amp's effects loop, I run into in the following order:
    MXR EVH Phase 90
    Line 6 MM-4 Modualtion Modeler
    Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler
    All running off a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2
    the other two pedals are the channel switchers for my amp....

    Though I think I want that new MXR Delay too...sounds killer, but means I'll have to expand to a larger board, too...

    And btw, one of my rock star bosses toured with a Digitech GNX3 running in front of two rented Marshall stacks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post


    It's actually pretty simple... two effects and a tuner in front of the amp, three modulation effects running in the effects loop. The amp is still seeing a relatively clean signal coming in...

    Boss TU-2 tuner
    MXR Micro Amp
    Vox Wah
    ...these are run in front of my amp's input. Out of the amp's effects loop, I run into in the following order:
    MXR EVH Phase 90
    Line 6 MM-4 Modualtion Modeler
    Line 6 DL-4 Delay Modeler
    All running off a Voodoo Lab Pedal Power 2
    the other two pedals are the channel switchers for my amp....

    Though I think I want that new MXR Delay too...sounds killer, but means I'll have to expand to a larger board, too...

    And btw, one of my rock star bosses toured with a Digitech GNX3 running in front of two rented Marshall stacks...
    I like the line 6 stuff.
    My teenage son has the MXR Carbon copy in his room and it's killer.
    What pedalboard is that?

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    It's a Rockcase I got for like $20 when I worked at West LA Music briefly...think it was the demo model...lol. It's served me faithfully for almost 6 years, but I'm out of room on it if I'm going to add the MXR Carbon Copy...there a company up the street here who's name escapes me at the moment that makes pretty cool ones too. And their version's surface is on an angle, so it's easier to stomp on them on cue as well as easier to see them in general...
    Probably going with one about one and a half if not two times the length of my current one for expandability...which still seems odd to me since I plugged straight into the amp for years....then I decided I liked tons of colors on the palette...

    I like the Line 6 stuff too...I've got three echo presets: a tube Echoplex, a Roland Ducking Digital, and a Reverse delay; and four modulation mods: a Chorus, Rotovibe, MXR Flanger and Vibrato preset, all without taking up too much space on the board...but I'd like room to add an Expression pedal on the MM-4 to be able to control the speed of the Rotary preset on the fly as well...
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    And oh yeah, I wanna trade out my standard Vox wah for the Vox Clyde McCoy model with the Fasel inductor...they sound bad ass!


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    Dunlop sells the Fasel inductor..

    http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...996&id=2175310

    If you can change a pickup, this is even easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    Dunlop sells the Fasel inductor..

    http://www.mojomusicalsupply.com/ite...996&id=2175310

    If you can change a pickup, this is even easier.
    True, and could easily modify the current one, but would rather have the new version...believe it has a hardwire bypass circuit in it too...I'll keep the other one as a spare...

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    You could actually wire the input sides together, DPDT toggle-switch 'em, and run both if you're willing to drill a hole in the side of the case!

    Yes you have choices.. Yes You Can.

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    Thanks, but no.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    You could actually wire the input sides together, DPDT toggle-switch 'em, and run both if you're willing to drill a hole in the side of the case!

    Yes you have choices.. Yes You Can.
    I'm not willing. Going for the Clyde eventually, and will throw the old one in the spares box with the old Block-logo MXR Distorton + and Phase 90, and the A/B switch I keep around for a rainy day.
    I like my choices just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    I'm not willing.
    nothing ventured = nothing gained

    Boring.

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    Lmao!

    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    nothing ventured = nothing gained

    Boring.
    I like spares = Bite me

    Jerkoff.


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    No, you like clutter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sarge View Post
    I like the line 6 stuff.

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    I don't...too noisy, for one thing...

    The rackmount Behringer V-Amp Pro and Bass V-Amp Pro sound much more authentic and in my opinion sound better and are quieter than the Line 6 POD XT Pro...


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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I don't...too noisy, for one thing...

    The rackmount Behringer V-Amp Pro and Bass V-Amp Pro sound much more authentic and in my opinion sound better and are quieter than the Line 6 POD XT Pro...



    I disagree. With the exception of the Bass mods, with PODfarm I have the majority of the available amp mods as the XT; tried the Behringer, was not impressed at all.

    And as for the effects, they're not that noisy. My only gripe is my Echoplex mod there's a slight gain drop, but not like there wouldn't be one with the real thing...

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    You have my permission to shoot me with my own suppressed ppk if you ever and I mean ever see a Line Sucks product on my board. Ever.

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    ...You wanna borrow one of mine? Might help speed things along...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    You have my permission to shoot me with my own suppressed ppk if you ever and I mean ever see a Line Sucks product on my board. Ever.
    Do you even have a pedalboard? Dude , ya talk a lot .How 'bout throwin up some shots of your mountain of gear?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I don't...too noisy, for one thing...

    The rackmount Behringer V-Amp Pro and Bass V-Amp Pro sound much more authentic and in my opinion sound better and are quieter than the Line 6 POD XT Pro...
    Behringer? Meh..

    Don't expect to get many years out of that stuff. Affordable ,but not the best built quality....
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    My poor pedal board is in a constant state of flux...
    I always lend out pedals to nephews who are
    getting into it.... I dont think I have had my complete
    array in front of me for 15 years !

    In fact Im sure there are pedals out there I own
    that I have since drank from my memory !!!

    (Here goes, most purchased in the 80's)
    I was definately a boss man back then.....

    DS-1 Boss Distortion
    HM-2 Heavy Metal Boss
    Ibanez Tube Screamer
    BF-2 Boss Flanger
    DD2 Boss Digital Delay
    CH1 Chorus
    Boss Octaver (forget which model)
    Boss Power Supply pedal (for all these fooken 9v fookers)
    Boss Phaser (another one with a nephew)
    Noise gate (boss)
    Dod Wah
    Dunlop Cry Baby Wah
    Behringer A-B switch pedal
    ADA MP1 Tube Pre-amp (Thanks E ! I think I can mention it here ?
    this was purchased only 2 years ago)
    Boss Sustainer
    Pod 1 & 2(XT) (Last few years)

    Software pedal boards ???

    - Amplitude 2
    - Guitar Rig....

    I know there are some missing, will post more as I recollect....
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    Sold my wah, mxr p. shifter, flanger, dd6 delay, chorus pedal and mt zone on ebay and walked away with just enough money to pick up a Boss ME 70. Kicks ass! Everything you want. (even shit you dont)

    I have it going thru a line 6 spider II.



    very nice tone. alot of adjusting but once you navigate yourself and spend a few weeks dicking around you really appreciate the diversity.
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    ME 70 hey ? Shall google that.... Sounds interesting...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    ME 70 hey ? Shall google that.... Sounds interesting...
    yeah it is interesting, except I am having "issues" with the FX Pedal. (voice/wah/modulation octaves up and down)

    Im hoping for tech support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondjimi View Post
    Do you even have a pedalboard? Dude , ya talk a lot .How 'bout throwin up some shots of your mountain of gear?!
    Weve gone over this before, I don't post pix. I think I posted my cat a couple times before, or some of my cabinets I had been restoring before getting ripped off in 2003 but I've only recently had the heart to resume horsetrading to build up my gear again. Since everything is still in storage, I have nothing setup but maybe this year I'll post gear pix.

    I don't need a mountain of gear, but as far as pedals go I keep a trunk for them to roll around in.

    I like a wah with just a halfstack or combo, but I have used phasers delays and all the fancy stuff before.

    I talk alot to share alot, but am pretty set against seeing digital effects stuff residing on a player's boardbecause of the A-D conversion frequency loss. I am not against Rocktron or Line 6 or Alesis or Johnson or what have you who make these things.

    Now when it comes to time-delay based effects which are phasors, flangers, choruses and delays, there are different reasons I can elaborate upon to explay "why" so here's my reasons:

    Echoplex and tape-based delays: I like these best because its the best and most natural way to add compression to your sound via tape saturation while setting the record head bias pretty hot. I had a Guild Copicat and stock, it was alright and basic and fairly transparent sonically except the tape-drive capstan rollers were inferior and being it was a tape loop that broke constantly at the splice area, you either became creative at making replacment loops or you grew up and spent the dough on the Maestro EP-3 solidstate echoplex which was bulletproof so long as the 5 minute cartridge loop lasted.

    Signal loss is a great concern to me, and tape based delays have the best compromise to me: they go down to 30 hz up to about 6,000 hz which is a comfortable range for reproducing most of the guitar string sounds.

    Next, the "analogue" effects, usually based on bucket-brigade transistor arrays in a large chip called a BBD: these chips are what begat the CCD chips in digital cameras - made up of thousands of tiny capacitor section etched on silicon, they charge up then discharge like little batteries. That's all they do. It's archaic technology, but it's very warm sounding and retains almost ALL your low bass frequencies - but they're noisey as FUCK! That's alot of microscopic discharging going on inside all the time, and the workaround to it is reducing the high-end response.

    It's the ONLY way. Enjoy a BBD pedal, but sacrifice your highs to retain your lowend.

    I like chorus, delay and especially flanger-based BBD pedals because they are unusually warm and saturate just a little bit in the midrange with an enhanced lowend response. But because these BBD chips are noisey, they're often incorporated with circuit filtration and noise companders which limit the high-end range to 2K or 3K hz.

    The cheap BBD "analogue" pedals have a shitty response barely reaching 2K in some manufacture - but people don't notice the high losses because they'll kick it on and hear the effect over the loss of hi's and don't care.

    I like digital delays, basically for this reason: less highs filtered out, less inherent hiss and noise such as the BBD pedals give off, and enhanced highs because the frequency range is usually 300 to about 15,000 hz.

    Yes, 15K is really really good, especially for the clean channel shit in 80's-90's English butt-ramming music like Johnny Marr's effects - he kicks ass with simple clean channel echos' and sometimes it's a headscratcher just listening to it trying to figure out how he's getting that sound in his echos and choruses: well, the choruses is BBD based yet the echos are digital delays. So he probably runs a JC120 amp with the digital delay rack effect via the effects loop panel input, placing the digital after the analogue.

    Lastly, in order of desirability for me would be the Pod shit: digital multi effects either pedal or rack or software.

    the Multi's are based on a processor called an FPGA=field programmable gate array, which is like a lattice network of switches controlled by software after your guitar signal has been converted to digital.

    The'res so much loss to the low end, it doesn't make sense to me to use. I have never used one, tried them all out and they're like toys.

    "Well you talk so much shit how do you like them if you hate them" well it's easy - I have always promoted the Pods as great scratch-pads and songwriting tools.. they replace the pedalboard, but should not reside on the pedal board.

    Pods should reside by the computer: you use them to record a song idea to help you in handing off a newly burned copy for your drummer to jam to. But they shouldn't be used as final-copy tone machines, ever.

    The same layman's arguement I feel against the digital multi-effects equivalent holds true to the FLAC promoters who favor lossless recording. Since ultimately as music gets recorded, I feel strongly that Pod-type pedals should not be used in the final but accept them in the jamming or demoing stages.

    I saw a clip on Youtube where Kirk Hammet was backstage talking about his gear, and he gives the guy (guitar world? maybe?) a full showcase of his guitars, backline and his pedalboard setup. And on his pedalboards was one of those Rocktron digital multi's.. I laughed!

    With his kind of money he could afford either a quad-snake running two-way to and from a rackmount of real pedals, or a larger roadcase to have his pedals up front with him but no he has the digital pedal upfront with him.

    I thought, no wonder I never liked his sound.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Troubles View Post

    I have it going thru a line 6 spider II.
    Once the Alesis patent runs out on the digital multieffects chip, you'll see more of these "internal Pod" effects channel amps coming to market. I could look it up on uspto.gov but I believe the year of patent is 1991.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    Weve gone over this before, I don't post pix. I think I posted my cat a couple times before, or some of my cabinets I had been restoring before getting ripped off in 2003 but I've only recently had the heart to resume horsetrading to build up my gear again. Since everything is still in storage, I have nothing setup but maybe this year I'll post gear pix.

    I don't need a mountain of gear, but as far as pedals go I keep a trunk for them to roll around in.

    I like a wah with just a halfstack or combo, but I have used phasers delays and all the fancy stuff before.

    I talk alot to share alot, but am pretty set against seeing digital effects stuff residing on a player's boardbecause of the A-D conversion frequency loss. I am not against Rocktron or Line 6 or Alesis or Johnson or what have you who make these things.

    Now when it comes to time-delay based effects which are phasors, flangers, choruses and delays, there are different reasons I can elaborate upon to explay "why" so here's my reasons:

    Echoplex and tape-based delays: I like these best because its the best and most natural way to add compression to your sound via tape saturation while setting the record head bias pretty hot. I had a Guild Copicat and stock, it was alright and basic and fairly transparent sonically except the tape-drive capstan rollers were inferior and being it was a tape loop that broke constantly at the splice area, you either became creative at making replacment loops or you grew up and spent the dough on the Maestro EP-3 solidstate echoplex which was bulletproof so long as the 5 minute cartridge loop lasted.

    Signal loss is a great concern to me, and tape based delays have the best compromise to me: they go down to 30 hz up to about 6,000 hz which is a comfortable range for reproducing most of the guitar string sounds.

    Next, the "analogue" effects, usually based on bucket-brigade transistor arrays in a large chip called a BBD: these chips are what begat the CCD chips in digital cameras - made up of thousands of tiny capacitor section etched on silicon, they charge up then discharge like little batteries. That's all they do. It's archaic technology, but it's very warm sounding and retains almost ALL your low bass frequencies - but they're noisey as FUCK! That's alot of microscopic discharging going on inside all the time, and the workaround to it is reducing the high-end response.

    It's the ONLY way. Enjoy a BBD pedal, but sacrifice your highs to retain your lowend.

    I like chorus, delay and especially flanger-based BBD pedals because they are unusually warm and saturate just a little bit in the midrange with an enhanced lowend response. But because these BBD chips are noisey, they're often incorporated with circuit filtration and noise companders which limit the high-end range to 2K or 3K hz.

    The cheap BBD "analogue" pedals have a shitty response barely reaching 2K in some manufacture - but people don't notice the high losses because they'll kick it on and hear the effect over the loss of hi's and don't care.

    I like digital delays, basically for this reason: less highs filtered out, less inherent hiss and noise such as the BBD pedals give off, and enhanced highs because the frequency range is usually 300 to about 15,000 hz.

    Yes, 15K is really really good, especially for the clean channel shit in 80's-90's English butt-ramming music like Johnny Marr's effects - he kicks ass with simple clean channel echos' and sometimes it's a headscratcher just listening to it trying to figure out how he's getting that sound in his echos and choruses: well, the choruses is BBD based yet the echos are digital delays. So he probably runs a JC120 amp with the digital delay rack effect via the effects loop panel input, placing the digital after the analogue.

    Lastly, in order of desirability for me would be the Pod shit: digital multi effects either pedal or rack or software.

    the Multi's are based on a processor called an FPGA=field programmable gate array, which is like a lattice network of switches controlled by software after your guitar signal has been converted to digital.

    The'res so much loss to the low end, it doesn't make sense to me to use. I have never used one, tried them all out and they're like toys.

    "Well you talk so much shit how do you like them if you hate them" well it's easy - I have always promoted the Pods as great scratch-pads and songwriting tools.. they replace the pedalboard, but should not reside on the pedal board.

    Pods should reside by the computer: you use them to record a song idea to help you in handing off a newly burned copy for your drummer to jam to. But they shouldn't be used as final-copy tone machines, ever.

    The same layman's arguement I feel against the digital multi-effects equivalent holds true to the FLAC promoters who favor lossless recording. Since ultimately as music gets recorded, I feel strongly that Pod-type pedals should not be used in the final but accept them in the jamming or demoing stages.

    I saw a clip on Youtube where Kirk Hammet was backstage talking about his gear, and he gives the guy (guitar world? maybe?) a full showcase of his guitars, backline and his pedalboard setup. And on his pedalboards was one of those Rocktron digital multi's.. I laughed!

    With his kind of money he could afford either a quad-snake running two-way to and from a rackmount of real pedals, or a larger roadcase to have his pedals up front with him but no he has the digital pedal upfront with him.

    I thought, no wonder I never liked his sound.
    In storage?!

    Why , do you live in a van or something?

    Why don't you post pix?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondjimi View Post
    In storage?!

    Why , do you live in a van or something?

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    OK, between the MXR Carbon Copy and the Eventide Harmonizer pedal, I AM going to have to expand my board upon acquiring them...I've still got two available power outs on my Pedal Power II, but no more room on the board itself...lol


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    Quote Originally Posted by kentuckyklira View Post
    Never big on ART products. Found them noisey and unreliable...JMO

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    Luckily, bass players don’t need all that crap to sound good. :tongue0011: So instead of having a ton of pedals to mask your lazy playing, we bass players are team players so I made this pedal board to make the BAND look good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reverberator View Post
    I have no big pedal board anymore , got an old Boss Distortion and a new metal zone left.

    I now use a Digitech gnx4 for everything.
    I actually hate peddles. They are just a pain. Sometimes I will use a Fuzzface with my Strat or a overdrive peddle. Other than a phaser, flanger, and a big of delay, I don't use much more than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GO-SPURS-GO View Post
    Luckily, bass players don’t need all that crap to sound good. :tongue0011: So instead of having a ton of pedals to mask your lazy playing, we bass players are team players so I made this pedal board to make the BAND look good.
    I actually took over bass duty and when I went back to guitar I thought,"Why do I have all this shit in my signal chain?" I will still maintain playing bass makes you a better guitar player. Nobody notices the bass player until you make a mistake and it's booming out for all to hear. Not much to hide behind with a bass pumping out massive amounts of air pressure.

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    The delay and reverb run through the loop.
    Everything else runs in direct.

    A great dude(JediMcfly) at another VH site offered a lot of help and suggested the Pedal Pad amongst a lot of other things. I'm very happy with the pedal pad board. It's easily transportable, locks up nice and built very solid. A great way to go.
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