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    For fucks sake, somebody take Daltrey's microphone away from him already



    Enough already. Geezus, nobody can take away from you anything you did between 1965 - 1978, but it really should have ended when Keith Moon died, and definitely when the Ox learned the hard way that cocaine & hookers are a bit much for senior citizens.

    To be fair, Pete sounds OK, but if he was singing, Daltrey wouldn't need to be there at all, and Pete won't do that to him. Just call it a day already....
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    Ha! Ha! Pete said he really doesn’t enjoy playing live anymore but he’s got an expensive boat hobby and some family members who need some help and gigging pays well enough to pay for those things. He said Roger still loves it and wants to keep doing it.

    So the guy who hates it is the best at it. Too funny.
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    Well, I've just watched and listened to that rendition of "Behind blue eyes".
    I was expecting a real wreckage reading FORD's thread title, but tome there's nothing serious here.
    Daltrey can still manage honorably despite he is 78 fucking years old, though his voice has lost precision and strength, inevitably...

    There's still the same scam in calling this "The Who". They should just call that act "Townshend/Daltrey".



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    I'll always prefer Dave to Daltrey by miles and miles and miles and miles.
    But let's imagine how he will sing in ten years.
    Time waits for no one.

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    Meh...it's just, I suppose, that individuals have different expectations in terms of what they're willing to accept from these rock bands as they age...certainly in terms of live performances and diminished abilities.

    The Who as a live unit did some good stuff with Kenney Jones the first couple of years after Moon died. After the 1982 tour, subsequent tours saw them bringing more and more musicians onstage to augment the sound...I remember seeing them in 1989 and had a similar reaction to when I saw the Strolling Bones the same year, in that what I saw in 1989 wasn't really The Who. Or at least it wasn't The Who I wanted to see.

    I'd have to agree what was onstage in the Colbert clip isn't The Who, and it SHOULD just be called Daltrey/Townshend.

    But these aging rock stars are just doing what they know and getting paid well. If an arena's worth of punters want to pay to see it, who am I to say they shouldn't?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Meh...it's just, I suppose, that individuals have different expectations in terms of what they're willing to accept from these rock bands as they age...certainly in terms of live performances and diminished abilities.

    The Who as a live unit did some good stuff with Kenney Jones the first couple of years after Moon died. After the 1982 tour, subsequent tours saw them bringing more and more musicians onstage to augment the sound...I remember seeing them in 1989 and had a similar reaction to when I saw the Strolling Bones the same year, in that what I saw in 1989 wasn't really The Who. Or at least it wasn't The Who I wanted to see.

    I'd have to agree what was onstage in the Colbert clip isn't The Who, and it SHOULD just be called Daltrey/Townshend.

    But these aging rock stars are just doing what they know and getting paid well. If an arena's worth of punters want to pay to see it, who am I to say they shouldn't?
    Free market. Pete pays for his boat hobby showing up and playing guitar for a bunch of geriatrics. Beats being mind dead in a wheel chair wearing Depends.

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    How long have I been telling you cretins that a lot of these bands need to hang it up for good? Huh? Just how fucking long? I them back in 2008 and they certainly weren't The Who back then, either. Just like your homoerotic fixation Roth, you cannot "party" with coke, alcohol, groupy pussy and be on stage for over 30 years without sustaining some sort of permanent vocal damage. It's not that much different from permanent hearing loss that many of these burnt outs are also suffering from. Townshend looks like a invalid while Daltry couldn't be more lost than Biden at a press conference. It beyond the pale of sad to see this. For the sake of their "legacy" and moreover for their fans they need to just hang it up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    How long have I been telling you cretins that a lot of these bands need to hang it up for good? Huh? Just how fucking long? I them back in 2008 and they certainly weren't The Who back then, either. Just like your homoerotic fixation Roth, you cannot "party" with coke, alcohol, groupy pussy and be on stage for over 30 years without sustaining some sort of permanent vocal damage. It's not that much different from permanent hearing loss that many of these burnt outs are also suffering from. Townshend looks like a invalid while Daltry couldn't be more lost than Biden at a press conference. It beyond the pale of sad to see this. For the sake of their "legacy" and moreover for their fans they need to just hang it up.
    I think their legacy - or any rock bands legacy - is secure, in that what they did when they did it best still resonates with me.

    I can't disagree with you that the vast majority of these aging/aged rock bands...again, it's not my place to say they should hang it up for good or not...but for me they're no longer worth the bother.

    I think Roth pulled himself together the best he could and did the CVH material justice on the 2007-2008 tour. On that tour he was no longer "forgetting the fucking words, man!" and was making an effort to sing all the verses and choruses...in key as best he could, no less. It was worth the money for me.

    2012 on re: Roth?

    Nope.

    Dunno why he backslid vocally live (if he was half-assing it - which I'd rather not believe - or he was making an effort that was misguided) post-2008, but to my ears the guy sounded terrible more often than not onstage. And that's when it was time for me to let it go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    you cannot "party" with coke, alcohol, groupy pussy and be on stage for over 30 years without sustaining some sort of permanent vocal damage.
    Not usually but somehow Tom Jones has managed twice as long and liked his cigars too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Not usually but somehow Tom Jones has managed twice as long and liked his cigars too.
    Tom Jones is the exception to the rule

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    How long have I been telling you cretins that a lot of these bands need to hang it up for good? Huh? Just how fucking long? I them back in 2008 and they certainly weren't The Who back then, either. Just like your homoerotic fixation Roth, you cannot "party" with coke, alcohol, groupy pussy and be on stage for over 30 years without sustaining some sort of permanent vocal damage. It's not that much different from permanent hearing loss that many of these burnt outs are also suffering from. Townshend looks like a invalid while Daltry couldn't be more lost than Biden at a press conference. It beyond the pale of sad to see this. For the sake of their "legacy" and moreover for their fans they need to just hang it up.
    Last concert I went to was Mammoth. Not bad. Wolfgang has a good band and does a good job singing. It will be interesting to see where he is in five years. Right now people are curious but the songs aren’t bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think their legacy - or any rock bands legacy - is secure, in that what they did when they did it best still resonates with me.

    I can't disagree with you that the vast majority of these aging/aged rock bands...again, it's not my place to say they should hang it up for good or not...but for me they're no longer worth the bother.

    I think Roth pulled himself together the best he could and did the CVH material justice on the 2007-2008 tour. On that tour he was no longer "forgetting the fucking words, man!" and was making an effort to sing all the verses and choruses...in key as best he could, no less. It was worth the money for me.

    2012 on re: Roth?

    Nope.

    Dunno why he backslid vocally live (if he was half-assing it - which I'd rather not believe - or he was making an effort that was misguided) post-2008, but to my ears the guy sounded terrible more often than not onstage. And that's when it was time for me to let it go.
    There’s an old saying that goes, you want to quit and have the fans wondering where you went instead of saying why won’t they give it up? It’s like stocks. You always want to cash out a bit before the crest.

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    I think it’s like old people and cars. There’s plenty of old fuckers who think they still can drive fine when they can’t. You have these old acts that go yeah we still have it! Of course it’s disaster waiting to happen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I think it’s like old people and cars. There’s plenty of old fuckers who think they still can drive fine when they can’t. You have these old acts that go yeah we still have it! Of course it’s disaster waiting to happen.
    Very good comparison.

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    This is doubly bad because I don't think it's close to the most challenging song in his back catalog, wouldn't want to hear Living On A Prayer plus at 60 Boingiovi isn't the oldest out there.

    Also they always projected that clean image although I was pretty suspicious of a lot of that...

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    Yikes.... I'll bet he wishes he still had Sambora there to help him through that one. Assuming his voice has held up any better. I assume Jon could sing better than that back in 1989, but the sound was so goddamned distorted at his concert, I couldn't really tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    There’s an old saying that goes, you want to quit and have the fans wondering where you went instead of saying why won’t they give it up? It’s like stocks. You always want to cash out a bit before the crest.
    Yeah, but these bands will just keep going out as long as they can and the money is there.

    In a general sense, it doesn't matter...I mean, it's not some travesty against humanity if these geezers are still wheezing along out there on the road. I suppose it gives these old rockers a purpose in life, or a reason to get up every day, or whatever.

    I gotta tell you, though, in the last 15 or so years, the concerts I have been to where aging acts/artists have held up the best live have tended not to have been hard rock ones. You may well find it amusing, but the better shows I have seen since, say, 2007 or so...probably Billy Joel, Jimmy Buffett and Neil Diamond. All three of those guys had highly competent bands onstage with them, their own sound systems and sound engineers who have worked with them (for decades, in some cases) long enough so the live sound is fantastic and all the songs were played in their original, recorded keys.

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    The Who give back to Cincinnati where they killed 11 people over 40-some years ago


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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Yeah, but these bands will just keep going out as long as they can and the money is there.

    In a general sense, it doesn't matter...I mean, it's not some travesty against humanity if these geezers are still wheezing along out there on the road. I suppose it gives these old rockers a purpose in life, or a reason to get up every day, or whatever.

    I gotta tell you, though, in the last 15 or so years, the concerts I have been to where aging acts/artists have held up the best live have tended not to have been hard rock ones. You may well find it amusing, but the better shows I have seen since, say, 2007 or so...probably Billy Joel, Jimmy Buffett and Neil Diamond. All three of those guys had highly competent bands onstage with them, their own sound systems and sound engineers who have worked with them (for decades, in some cases) long enough so the live sound is fantastic and all the songs were played in their original, recorded keys.
    I saw Billy Joel in Seattle. He was great.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    I saw Billy Joel in Seattle. He was great.

    Saw him in Tampa in 2016 and Tampa again in 2018.

    Great show both times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    … you cannot "party" with coke, alcohol, groupy pussy and be on stage for over 30 years without sustaining some sort of permanent vocal damage.
    I would trade my current comfortable lifestyle to live like that
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    In the last 20 years (or since The Ox died) I got tired of hearing friends tell me they’re going to see The Who and biting my tongue. I saw them in ‘89 and it was memorable enough. Hang it up or change the name!

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    Yeah... '89 was "memorable" because that was the show where Pete semi-crucified himself on stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mushroom View Post
    In the last 20 years (or since The Ox died) I got tired of hearing friends tell me they’re going to see The Who and biting my tongue. I saw them in ‘89 and it was memorable enough. Hang it up or change the name!
    It’s not The Who without the Moon or the Ox. I mean Pete admits he hates performing but likes the money. It pays for his expensive boating hobby. Roger is past the sell date.

    Great band in their prime but everything get’s old and falls apart. Watching some of these old bands try and perform is like grandpa thinking he still can drive a car well when he pisses himself and walks around with no pants and doesn’t notice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    It’s not The Who without the Moon or the Ox. I mean Pete admits he hates performing but likes the money. It pays for his expensive boating hobby. Roger is past the sell date.
    You are correct 4 out of 4 is ideal. 3 parts original, 1 part inevitable is still better than 1/2. Decaying 1/2 life is just that... waste.

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    The Who’s Roger Daltrey has announced a 2024 North American solo tour, during which the legendary singer will play “semi-acoustic” shows at intimate venues across nine dates in June.

    The tour kicks off June 12th in Vienna, Virginia, and wraps up June 29th in Highland Park, Illinois. The itinerary also includes a recently announced one-off show in San Diego on May 6th. Per a press release, the rock icon will be “presenting a mostly acoustic set of Who gems, rarities, solo nuggets and other surprises with an intimate rock-based band and setting as well as answering questions from the audience.” Support will come from KT Tunstall on most shows, with Dan Bern taking her place on a couple of dates.


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    Please see me. I have no money.

    Looks like Pete took his money and went home. Good for him. At least he knows its time to retire.

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    Thanks Roger. You're the reason we can't have actual musicians play the Super Bowl halftime shows anymore.

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    I took my son to see The Who on this tour last year and I was amazed by how good Roger sounded. As far as the show, it was kind of lame because they did 2/3 of it with an orchestra, which doesn’t really fit what The Who should be. But it also fits well for 78-year-old men. My son enjoyed it but was a bit let down since The Who should be maniacs spraying energy all over the arena. So it’s a Catch-22 for The Who. Getting old sucks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Catfish View Post
    I took my son to see The Who on this tour last year and I was amazed by how good Roger sounded. As far as the show, it was kind of lame because they did 2/3 of it with an orchestra, which doesn’t really fit what The Who should be. But it also fits well for 78-year-old men. My son enjoyed it but was a bit let down since The Who should be maniacs spraying energy all over the arena. So it’s a Catch-22 for The Who. Getting old sucks.
    I saw The Who twice around 2016-2017.

    The second time, I got one of those "watch the soundcheck, autographs, dinner" deals. Then a 5th row ticket.

    They were still great. No...they weren't what they were 20-40 years earlier. But they were still good.

    I wanted to go to the tour you mentioned, but I couldn't get past the whole orchestra thing. I wish bands would stop doing that. It's not necessary.

    (But yes, Roger's voice was better when I saw them in 1996 and 2002... I was too young to see them for the '89 reunion tour, which is still my least favorite Who tour because of all the extra musicians.)
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    I like Roger and love The Who but who the fuck wants to see this acoustic dribble?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rikk View Post
    I saw The Who twice around 2016-2017.

    The second time, I got one of those "watch the soundcheck, autographs, dinner" deals. Then a 5th row ticket.

    They were still great. No...they weren't what they were 20-40 years earlier. But they were still good.

    I wanted to go to the tour you mentioned, but I couldn't get past the whole orchestra thing. I wish bands would stop doing that. It's not necessary.

    (But yes, Roger's voice was better when I saw them in 1996 and 2002... I was too young to see them for the '89 reunion tour, which is still my least favorite Who tour because of all the extra musicians.)
    The '89 tour was the one time I saw the 'band' and it was similar to the Stones show I saw that same year where they also had as many (if not more) extra musicians than they did band members.

    With both The Who and The Stones in 1989 I figured I may as well see them because it could be the last time...sounds beyond ridiculous now, but that's what my 19-year-old self thought back then.

    With The Who in 1989, Daltrey really stood out...still in good form vocally. Probably because Entwistle's bass wasn't particularly loud in the mix and Townshend was playing acoustic for most of the show. I will say Simon Phillips also really stood out...in many ways better suited to the classic Who material than Jones proved to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I like Roger and love The Who but who the fuck wants to see this acoustic dribble?
    Many rock bands just weren't designed to age well.
    The Who were never designed to age well.

    But it kinda dawned on me when I saw Kenny Loggins and The Little River Band on a double bill last fall - and was at age 53 younger than most of the crowd by probably a decade - that these aging rock fans just want a glimmer. Nobody has any reasonable expectations of Roger Daltrey circa 2024 coming out, swinging his mic cord really fast and hitting any screams or vocals approaching anywhere near what The Who were doing 50 years ago. These aging rock audiences are already at retirement age or beyond...they just want some light entertainment once in a blue moon on a Saturday night, and maybe Daltrey fills to nostalgia jones for them more than, say, Taylor Swift.

    I mean, I never thought I'd end up seeing Kenny Loggins live, but there you go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Many rock bands just weren't designed to age well.
    The Who were never designed to age well.

    But it kinda dawned on me when I saw Kenny Loggins and The Little River Band on a double bill last fall - and was at age 53 younger than most of the crowd by probably a decade - that these aging rock fans just want a glimmer. Nobody has any reasonable expectations of Roger Daltrey circa 2024 coming out, swinging his mic cord really fast and hitting any screams or vocals approaching anywhere near what The Who were doing 50 years ago. These aging rock audiences are already at retirement age or beyond...they just want some light entertainment once in a blue moon on a Saturday night, and maybe Daltrey fills to nostalgia jones for them more than, say, Taylor Swift.

    I mean, I never thought I'd end up seeing Kenny Loggins live, but there you go.
    Sounds like you were really in the danger zone...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Many rock bands just weren't designed to age well.

    But it kinda dawned on me when I saw Kenny Loggins and The Little River Band on a double bill last fall - and was at age 53 younger than most of the crowd by probably a decade - that these aging rock fans just want a glimmer.

    Sometimes seeing how old the audience looks is much worse than the band.

    Twice as bad if you go to see a band who are a little older than your generation like a Stones or Who gig I guess.

    I remember being shocked by the audience at a gig by The Alarm about 6 or 8 years ago and I guess I'm now their age.

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    I feel pretty good about myself at a Stones show. Some of the other attendees have to be close to my age, some of them can barely navigate the steps. I don't need an oxygen tank, either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    I feel pretty good about myself at a Stones show. Some of the other attendees have to be close to my age, some of them can barely navigate the steps. I don't need an oxygen tank, either.
    Seeing the Stones at Soldier Field in 2019, I was kind of shocked how many younger people were there. My wife and I were in our early 40s (my wife was 41) and there were a lot of people our age or younger.

    THAT SAID...yes, there were people who looked like they needed "oxygen tanks."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Sounds like you were really in the danger zone...
    Yep, well, people can say what they like about Loggins.

    Sad truth is he looked and sounded FAR better last year onstage than the vast bulk of hard rock acts I loved in the 1980s and have seen live in the last 25 years.

    Granted, Loggins never played similar music to said 80's hard rock acts. BUT, when old Kenny got to the end of his set and did the Danger Zone/Footloose/Caddyshack Theme trio, the tunes weren't tuned down several steps from the original recorded versions to accommodate aging vocals (and I'd tend to wager Loggins is probably a decade older on average than those 80's hard rock band members) and the stuff sounded fantastic. Never once during the show did I think the guy onstage should have packed it in years ago juxtaposed with the aforementioned 80's hard rock acts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    I feel pretty good about myself at a Stones show. Some of the other attendees have to be close to my age, some of them can barely navigate the steps. I don't need an oxygen tank, either.
    There were more than a few of those at the Loggins show.

    Nice place for a gig, though. Ampitheater. Plenty of handicapped seating for the wheelchair crowd.

    A decade or so ago, I probably would have rolled my eyes at those wheelchair bound geezers with their attached O2 tanks.

    Now, I'm just thankful I can still stand and walk on my own two feet and breathe unassisted. And if those who can't want a night out at a concert, good for them...fuckin' go for it. Better than just sitting at home growing mold waiting to die.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    Sometimes seeing how old the audience looks is much worse than the band.

    Twice as bad if you go to see a band who are a little older than your generation like a Stones or Who gig I guess.

    I remember being shocked by the audience at a gig by The Alarm about 6 or 8 years ago and I guess I'm now their age.
    The Alarm!!! They never really hit it big in the US, but 'Sold Me Down the River' was a FM rock mainstay when it came out. Great number!

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