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I'd say by the time 1982 rolled around Vinnie certainly could run circles around Frehley. Like, you watch the 1983 South American footage, and Vinnie solos on Calling Dr. Love pulling off stuff that Ace simply wouldn't have been capable of playing in terms of speed and insane bending.
I think the main thing with Vinnie Vincent that got him booted out of KISS is that he wouldn't sign his contract with the band, assumedly because [Vincent] thought what KISS were offering was too low considering he was writing a fair amount of the material that ended up on Creatures and Lick It Up. That Stanley/Simmons were basically offering him what they paid Eric Carr, which was sideman wages and not an equal stake in the band financially.
Vincent has a reputation like FORD said of being a head case. He may well be/probably is. I mean, he left KISS to form the Vinnie Vincent Invasion, and the band he formed it with kicked him out of the group and went on the become Slaughter (which, also like FORD said, was hardly a case of truth in advertising re: toughness of the name vs. sissy metal style of the music...then again, were I in Slaughter or any of those other bands I probably would have opted to make music for teenaged girls too). It's not a good sign of stability if you name the group after yourself then get kicked out of it. Apparently, Vincent hangs around Nashville now and has been involved in all sorts of shady financial dealings, such as taking payment for rock memorabilia and in turn either not sending the buyer the items they purchased or misrepresenting the items he sold. Things like putting up "his" guitars he supposedly played for auction, then having it turn out Vincent was just buying guitars off the rack of whatever music store, signing them then marking the price up 100%.
I think the main thing with Vinnie Vincent that got him booted out of KISS is that he wouldn't sign his contract with the band, assumedly because [Vincent] thought what KISS were offering was too low considering he was writing a fair amount of the material that ended up on Creatures and Lick It Up. That Stanley/Simmons were basically offering him what they paid Eric Carr, which was sideman wages and not an equal stake in the band financially.
Vincent has a reputation like FORD said of being a head case. He may well be/probably is. I mean, he left KISS to form the Vinnie Vincent Invasion, and the band he formed it with kicked him out of the group and went on the become Slaughter (which, also like FORD said, was hardly a case of truth in advertising re: toughness of the name vs. sissy metal style of the music...then again, were I in Slaughter or any of those other bands I probably would have opted to make music for teenaged girls too). It's not a good sign of stability if you name the group after yourself then get kicked out of it. Apparently, Vincent hangs around Nashville now and has been involved in all sorts of shady financial dealings, such as taking payment for rock memorabilia and in turn either not sending the buyer the items they purchased or misrepresenting the items he sold. Things like putting up "his" guitars he supposedly played for auction, then having it turn out Vincent was just buying guitars off the rack of whatever music store, signing them then marking the price up 100%.
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