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    See I don't know I guess it depends on what you like about Kiss.Paul is my favorite and his voice was great on the albums with no makeup.I would highly recommend Revenge,Crazy Nights and Lick It Up.If glittery spandex and catchy songs do it for you then asylum is a great album
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    I really gotta give Paul Stanley kudos for preforming while he was very sick on the Buenos Aries show. That's why he sounds like absolute shit in this video. The surgery helped a little bit, but upper reperatory infections can still cause this to occur. I hope Paul is also giving his pipes an adequate rest. The man is sixty years old and his terrible voice during the Buenos Aries preformance is also a result of over-touring. And he should not have screamed the second verse.


    The Rio De Janerio show was a few days after the Buenos Aries show and in that video he sounded much better and MUCH stronger, he's no longer screaming the words and he was actually singing properly like he should have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Bitch View Post
    See I don't know I guess it depends on what you like about Kiss.Paul is my favorite and his voice was great on the albums with no makeup.I would highly recommend Revenge,Crazy Nights and Lick It Up.If glittery spandex and catchy songs do it for you then asylum is a great album
    See, once Ace and Peter left (and if I'm being honest, even as far back as Dynasty and Unmasked), KISS records generally just became too labored, slick and overproduced and contained a lot of generic rock songs of no particular distinction...there's not much much to distinguish KISS from the pop hair metal lite bands that surrounded them in the 1980s on records like Asylum. Crazy Nights or Hot In The Shade.

    KISS just became one of the pack after the makeup came off. The odd decent track would surface here and there, but that tended to be the exception rather than the rule. Most of that I put down to Paul Stanley assuming the primary role in terms of musical direction around the mid-1980s. Stanley's songwriting inclinations and tastes tend to be very, very middle-of-the road.
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    Monster was a shit album.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Monster was a shit album.
    Is that the latest one?

    Honestly, after the shit that was Psycho Circus, I can't be bothered with new KISS music, although a lot of fans apparently liked Sonic Boom.

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    I have no idea. Was in the CD store the other day and about 4 of them were there in the used bin. They looked dusty and lonely.

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    Monster is a LOT better than Psycho Circus and Sonic Boom. Hell or Hallejulia and Outta This World are great songs and a lot of the songs on the album do remind me of the Rock n' Roll Over album.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    I have no idea. Was in the CD store the other day and about 4 of them were there in the used bin. They looked dusty and lonely.
    This explains why a Monster CD was in the used bin.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    See, once Ace and Peter left (and if I'm being honest, even as far back as Dynasty and Unmasked), KISS records generally just became too labored, slick and overproduced and contained a lot of generic rock songs of no particular distinction...there's not much much to distinguish KISS from the pop hair metal lite bands that surrounded them in the 1980s on records like Asylum. Crazy Nights or Hot In The Shade.

    KISS just became one of the pack after the makeup came off. The odd decent track would surface here and there, but that tended to be the exception rather than the rule. Most of that I put down to Paul Stanley assuming the primary role in terms of musical direction around the mid-1980s. Stanley's songwriting inclinations and tastes tend to be very, very middle-of-the road.
    So what you are saying is based on the music they were releasing they were not likely to pick up new fans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Monster was a shit album.
    Depends what you were expecting.If you wanted some ground breaking new material that will change the face of music then I would agree.But if you want a big,loud,glitz and glamour filled fun album It is very good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Bitch View Post
    So what you are saying is based on the music they were releasing they were not likely to pick up new fans?
    I think there was generally a downward trajectory in record sales for KISS after Animalize up until Hot In The Shade...basically, KISS were struggling to make platinum sales with Asylum and Crazy Nights.

    I believe there was a slight uptick in sales for Hot In The Shade, and Revenge sold well, but then Alive 3 pretty much tanked.

    I mean, there was a reason KISS were doing those conventions in 1994 and 1995, and it wasn't because they were selling albums and filling concert halls like they were in the mid to late 1970s.

    I'd imagine the band might have picked up a few new fans in the 80s, but by the time Lick It Up rolled around and the greasepaint came off, KISS were old hat. The band had trouble getting financing and production start-up costs to mount a tour and stay on the road and there were a lot of half-filled halls on those 1980s KISS tours. I mean, the band went into a structured bankruptcy in 1989, resulting from a combination of bad business deals, advances on albums that didn't end up selling well and shrinking tour guarantees.

    That reunion tour in 1996 came along at just the right time...and not just for Ace and Peter, either.

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    Speaking of Peter Criss, has anyone ready his biography, i got it for xmas and still going through it, but fuck he unleashes on Paul and Gene, mainly how Paul and Genes ego fucked the band.Of all the songs Peter sung on i always love "Dirty Livin", i love the song and also Ace's guitar playing in it.
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    If Peter bashes Gene, that's totally fair. $immon$ always bashed Criss back in the 80s. Still does.
    That's what it is, IMHO: fair game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockhead View Post
    Speaking of Peter Criss, has anyone ready his biography, i got it for xmas and still going through it, but fuck he unleashes on Paul and Gene
    Do you think that would be unjustified ?? Chaim and Stanley have been shitting on Ace and Peter for decades....
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    I'm not surprised at all that Peter would talk bad about Gene and Paul for what they're doing. Peter constantly shits on Tommy Thayer for taking Ace's place, and he even outright said in youtube interview "You know, to me it's not Kiss anymore. It's a cover band." And scores of former KissArmy members will agree with him. I for one agree and disagree. Kiss sounds pretty good today, Tommy Thayer is one hell of a guitarist, Eric Singer is a great drummer. Paul unfortunatly still has bad days with his voice. But I do wish that Gene and Paul will let Tommy and Eric have their own makeup designs and let them be their own characters on stage.

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    But can you imagine how much money it would cost to come up with two new characters for Tommy and Eric.Kiss is a brand as much as it is a band and they have made it very clear to them Kiss are the characters,not the musicians themselves.They would need to stop all the current merchandise with Ace and Peter's makeup on and design and produce a whole new range with these new characters. Financially it would be a very bad move

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Bitch View Post
    But can you imagine how much money it would cost to come up with two new characters for Tommy and Eric.Kiss is a brand as much as it is a band ....
    Yep, and one guess who'd wanna own the ©/™ to any new KISS characters.
    Even if they were given the freedom to create a character, no way are Tommy
    & Eric gonna be allowed to own anything they come up with. Best to keep filling
    the shoes and collecting a paycheck.
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    I read his book in its entirety. I loved it. Out of all of the Kiss autobios, Peter's seems to be the most brutally honest of them all. He is relentless in his opinions, and he tells the absolute truth. Ace admitted that he can't remember years of his life and Gene's book, as good as it is, is very biased.

    Somehow I expected Peter would end his tenure with Kiss with Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley and Tommy Thayer being Public Enemy No.1, 2 and 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraroc View Post
    I read his book in its entirety. I loved it. Out of all of the Kiss autobios, Peter's seems to be the most brutally honest of them all. He is relentless in his opinions, and he tells the absolute truth. Ace admitted that he can't remember years of his life and Gene's book, as good as it is, is very biased.

    Somehow I expected Peter would end his tenure with Kiss with Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley and Tommy Thayer being Public Enemy No.1, 2 and 3.
    Oh, yeah, brutally honest to the point where reading some of the things he said about HIMSELF made me wince...

    The stuff about Simmons and Stanley wasn't that shocking: even among entertainers, those two guys embrace naked greed in a manner that never fails to astound. Who really gives a hoot about Tommy Thayer? At least Eric Singer has played with other really good bands and acts besides KISS. Thayer played with, at best, a 3rd string 80s hair band and is now an Ace Frehley clone. I'm sure the pay is great, but he's barely even worth talking about.

    He was pretty unsparing about virtually everybody else as well (who knew that Mark St. John was into kiddie porn?), but there was a level of honesty that definitely set it apart from many other rock autobios...many of which tend to be whitewashes. I mean, some of the stuff in that book made Motley Crue look like a bunch of lightweights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Monster was a shit album.
    Did you actually listen to it, or are you just saying it's shit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I think there was generally a downward trajectory in record sales for KISS after Animalize up until Hot In The Shade...basically, KISS were struggling to make platinum sales with Asylum and Crazy Nights.

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    Seems to me both Asylum and Crazy Nights sold pretty well. Both albums had hits and videos in rotation. Asylum had "Tears are Falling", "Uh All Night" and "Who Wants To Be Lonely?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    Oh, yeah, brutally honest to the point where reading some of the things he said about HIMSELF made me wince...

    The stuff about Simmons and Stanley wasn't that shocking: even among entertainers, those two guys embrace naked greed in a manner that never fails to astound. Who really gives a hoot about Tommy Thayer? At least Eric Singer has played with other really good bands and acts besides KISS. Thayer played with, at best, a 3rd string 80s hair band and is now an Ace Frehley clone. I'm sure the pay is great, but he's barely even worth talking about.

    He was pretty unsparing about virtually everybody else as well (who knew that Mark St. John was into kiddie porn?), but there was a level of honesty that definitely set it apart from many other rock autobios...many of which tend to be whitewashes. I mean, some of the stuff in that book made Motley Crue look like a bunch of lightweights.
    I agree, some of the stuff he said was unfuckingbelievable. But however, I feel that Paul is more...human than Gene. Gene is a lost cause when it comes to being addicted to money. Paul is at least a human being that cares about other people. I do feel that especially now in 2012, Paul is Gene's puppet.

    And about Mark St. John, who'da thunk it? It was probably underrage teen girls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Vengeance View Post
    Seems to me both Asylum and Crazy Nights sold pretty well. Both albums had hits and videos in rotation. Asylum had "Tears are Falling", "Uh All Night" and "Who Wants To Be Lonely?"
    I'd have to recheck the stats, but at the time of their inital release they both went gold fairly quickly but didn't break the million mark for a few years...

    I mean, hey, most bands would kill just to sell half a million records, but the sales of Asylum and Crazy Nights were a bit of step down the ladder for a band that less than a decade earlier had to chutzpah to release a greatest hits compilation titled Double Platinum...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Terry View Post
    I'd have to recheck the stats, but at the time of their inital release they both went gold fairly quickly but didn't break the million mark for a few years...

    I mean, hey, most bands would kill just to sell half a million records, but the sales of Asylum and Crazy Nights were a bit of step down the ladder for a band that less than a decade earlier had to chutzpah to release a greatest hits compilation titled Double Platinum...
    I always tell people that want to experience KISS' heyday and don't own any albums to buy Double Platinum. You get pretty much all the hits without having to spend all the cash.

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    I think Creatures Of The Night is a very underrated KISS album.
    Great heavy tunes like the title track, War Machine, I Love It Loud, Killer.
    I think because of Music From The Elder alot of people and fans ignored it when first released.
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    just for the fun of it:

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    I really like Unmasked. It's true that Ace has the best tunes, but there's a lot of good stuff on it. Very pop-rock. Very catchy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Vengeance View Post
    I really like Unmasked. It's true that Ace has the best tunes, but there's a lot of good stuff on it. Very pop-rock. Very catchy.
    That's where I tuned them out and VH in. Unmasked is painfully unlistenable. Shandi? Yikes. Can't even remember any other titles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavidLeeNatra View Post
    just for the fun of it:

    Was that after he fell that one time? I know on an episode of Gene Simmons Family Jewels he had to go to the hospital because he got injured in a fall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kissfan1976 View Post
    I think Creatures Of The Night is a very underrated KISS album.
    Great heavy tunes like the title track, War Machine, I Love It Loud, Killer.
    I think because of Music From The Elder alot of people and fans ignored it when first released.
    I agree it is a very good album.I am sure I heard they went down the heavy route because The Elder split a lot of people.I would take Creatures over Lick It Up too

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    Quote Originally Posted by DLR Bridge View Post
    That's where I tuned them out and VH in. Unmasked is painfully unlistenable. Shandi? Yikes. Can't even remember any other titles.
    I find Shandi to be one of thier best ballads. The album to me is very enjoyable. "Is that You?", "Tomorrow" ,"She's So European" and all of Ace's tunes were cool, "Talk To Me", "Two Sides of the Coin" and "Torpedo Girl".

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    Quote Originally Posted by fraroc View Post
    Was that after he fell that one time? I know on an episode of Gene Simmons Family Jewels he had to go to the hospital because he got injured in a fall.
    I think this was when he Shannon both had facelifts on the show.

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    I believe "injured in a fall" is Hollywood-speak for getting a facelift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Vengeance View Post
    I always tell people that want to experience KISS' heyday and don't own any albums to buy Double Platinum. You get pretty much all the hits without having to spend all the cash.
    It is a very good overview of the studio stuff from the 1st album up through Love Gun...although it's always a bit funny listening to the cuts off the first three albums right alongside stuff taken from Destroyer, Rock and Roll Over and Love Gun: I love the material on the first three albums, but the production didn't do the material justice in many cases.

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    I would rather say to buy Alive! and Alive II.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dave's Bitch View Post
    But can you imagine how much money it would cost to come up with two new characters for Tommy and Eric.Kiss is a brand as much as it is a band and they have made it very clear to them Kiss are the characters,not the musicians themselves.They would need to stop all the current merchandise with Ace and Peter's makeup on and design and produce a whole new range with these new characters. Financially it would be a very bad move
    I really don't even see KISS as a band anymore. It's just a business. A lucrative one, too, no doubt.

    Even in their heyday, say from 1976 to 1980, KISS always tread a fine line between being a band vs. a brand, and as the emphasis shifted more toward the merchandising end (somewhere around 1978, with the comic book, the KISS dolls and the tv movie), the music began to suffer. Now, it's just a moneymaking exercise in nostalgia. However, I will say that KISS still puts on a good show and is giving the fans (i.e. the people who still pay money to see them, as opposed to older fans who have turned their backs in mild disgust) what they want...which is all the classic tunes, the makeup, the stage show.
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    I'd have to agree there is good stuff to be found on Dynasty, Unmasked and Creatures of the Night (I just can't come to terms one way or the other with The Elder, even after all these years).

    For me, the studio album apex was Destroyer, Rock and Roll Over and Love Gun. The first three albums have great material, but that material sounded so much better on Alive! (which was, in essence, the 4th studio album), whereas the stuff off of Destroyer, Rock and Roll Over and Love Gun I actually prefer listening to via the original releases rather than on Alive 2.

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    Being really young and knowing so much about bands from the 70s and 80s, I guess this shouldn't bother me, But a lot of my friends think that Kiss took off the makeup when they recorded Unmasked. At least they made the effort to at least try to know something about these bands.....

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    This was pretty funny

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    LOL, literally like 300 yards from my house...

    I remember that night, lots of lightning, didn't think they'd get much of the concert in....

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