Fun Facts Revisited Very Fun!

[lesfunk]

2007 Van Halen tour with David Lee Roth:
39 shows, $56.7 million Gross Revenue
Avg capacity 99.9967%

2004 Van Halen tour with Sammy Hagar:
79 shows, $54.3 million Gross Revenue
Avg capacity 73%

In less than half the shows, Van Roth has already made more money than the ENTIRE VAN HAGAR 2004 TOUR!

Source: Pollstar

Update: The Van Halen reunion with Dave grossed 97 million from 74 shows.

Van Halen sold a quarter million *more* tickets in 5 *less* shows at *higher* prices than Van Hagar in 2004.

Amazing, considering:
Van Hagar had Mike Anthony instead of Wolfgang.
Van Hagar toured on the Greatest Hits album, no album for the Roth reunion.
The Roth reunion was postponed from Spring of 2007 to Fall of 2007 and then almost the entire second leg in 2008 was cancelled and rescheduled!

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Entire Van Hagar -
5150
OU812
FUCK
Right Here, RN
Balance
BOBW
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19x Platinum

Two from Dave:
VH1
1984
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20x Platinum


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Van Hagar - 19 million sold
Van Roth - 37 million sold

1984 sold more in it's first year than ANY Van Hagar album sold in it's first 8 years!

Solo Platinum records:
Dave - 3
Sammy - 2

(Sammy has never had an album go Platinum outside his tenure with Van Halen)

Source: RIAA

http://www.riaa.com/goldandplatinumda...

Van Hagar sold out only 4 of it first 50 shows and avg only 73% capacity:

http://www.billboard.com/billboard/im...

Attendance stats for Van Hagar 2004:

http://www.marksaw.com/04vanhalen.html

Fargodome capacity - 25,000
Van Hagar 2004 - 4,618

Van Hagar played to less than 19% capacity! Promoters lost $250,000 on just one Van Hagar concert! Van halen with Dave have not played to less than 99% capacity!

http://www.roadrunnerrecords.com/BLAB...

Fargodome capacity:
Fargodome - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Fargodome even tried slashing ticket prices for a short time period, but that didn't do much for overall sales:

http://www.foundrymusic.com/bands/dis...

For years, Sammy was losing money on his tequila. Marco Monroy (Cabo Wabo architect) had to bail him out. In 2006, Hagar fired the majority of his staff and later sold off 80% (split with Monroy) to pay off his bills:

Apparent mismanagement leads to company changes

Rocker Sammy Hagar has mercifully pulled in the reigns on his Cabo Wabo Tequila Empire after a year of apparent mismanagement and increasing losses of revenue. President Barry Augus has been demoted and seems to take the brunt of the responsibility for the company's downward spiral. The Oakland corporate office and the majority of the staff were given pink slips last Thursday.

http://www.tequilaaficionado.com/arti...


In 1985, when Sammy Hagar joined VH, he had 3 Gold solo records and 1 Gold with Montrose.

At the same time, David Lee Roth already had 6 multi-Platinum records with VH and 1 solo platinum album.

Sammy Hagar inherited Roth's fame and when he was kicked out of VH, Sammy never had another Platinum or Gold record.

After Dave left VH, he had multiple Platinum records.

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David Lee Roth: Then you've got Sammy Hagar, who at best is a mediocre talent.

Howard Stern: I agree with that. I'll rate him lower than mediocre.

David Lee Roth: Sammy would sell the property rights to his butthole to get fame.

Howard Stern: Right.

David Lee Roth: Because he was a complete failure till he got with the Van Halen bunch.

Howard Stern: True. I hate Sammy Hagar, period.

David Lee Roth: Sammy is a mindless little bridge-troll drone. You know, everything that comes out of his mouth is word-barf.

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After 30 years, DLR is still selling out huge arenas with Van Halen, something Hagar failed to do in 2004. Hagar is playing small movie theaters (he failed to sellout an 800 seater in Dallas last year) because Dave is the better singer, songwriter and performer, period.

There is no debating facts. Dave beats Hagar like a red-headed step child in every category. There is only 1 singer for Van Halen!

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Quote - "If I'm gonna do a book, I want to do a dedicated Van Halen book. The David Lee Roth years, which to me is THE Van Halen. Forget Sammy, forget Gary.That was the shit. From 78 to 84, I think Van Halen was the number 1 rock band in the world, as far as I'm concerned. Dave is a genius as far as I'm concerned. Sammy Hagar or Gary Cherone = For what? I didn't like either of them in Van Halen. David Lee Roth is Van Halen, period. No if, ands, or buts." - Neil Zlozower, VH Photographer

[Cato]

Sammy Hagar is a local singer of the USA after all, unlike Dave.
He has no popularity in other countries at all. that's why he can't sell more records than Dave and can't go overseas to play alone.

good thread.

[sadaist]

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Van Hagar - 19 million sold
Van Roth - 37 million sold

The BIG problem with that number? Some of those albums with Hagar included Dave songs.

Best of Both Worlds? Half Dave era.

Right Here Right Now? Half Dave era.

So the sales from those albums should be removed and not counted to either singers column. Sammy selling an album because he sings Panama, Jump, Aint Talkin Bout Love, or Unchained DOES NOT go into the Sammy sales column. Period.

Dave or the grave

[davehagarfan]

-The tour still sucked balls without Mike....it still ain't CVH...it's a version of Van Hagar but this time it's Dave that's fronting it...I never thought I'd see Dave lower himself to that when it came to Van Halen

-Dave's solo career compared to what he did between 1978-1984 was less than impressive......some of it was cool but it just wasn't the same and wasn't nearly as cool

-Each one of Dave's solo albums sold less than the one before

-Dave couldn't keep a band

-Ed's a prick

-Sam didn't come a knocking on Ed'd door.....Ed came a knocking on Sam's

-Stern talks out of both sides of his ass...I've heard him sweet talk Sam on his channel too

-Ed's still a prick and cun't play for shit compared to what he once was

-VH sucks now and has for a long, long.....long time

-Then again so has Dave's solo career

-It's pretty bad when a bunch of Sunset Strip never were's can play CVH better than the two guys who original drove the bus to begin with

[davehagarfan]

The BIG problem with that number? Some of those albums with Hagar included Dave songs.

Best of Both Worlds? Half Dave era.

Right Here Right Now? Half Dave era.

So the sales from those albums should be removed and not counted to either singers column. Sammy selling an album because he sings Panama, Jump, Aint Talkin Bout Love, or Unchained DOES NOT go into the Sammy sales column. Period.

Dave or the grave

It still ain't CVH even with Dave there.....it's only slighty less weak than the 2004 Drunk Off My Ass tour


A part of me can't blame Dave for touring with the Sisters again but a part of me does and can when I think of the uproar that would have happend had Hagar cut Mike out and done a tour with Meth guy, Neckbrace and Wolf N' Cheese

Dave really sucks balls for doing that

It's really a fucking shame.....VH 1978-1984 really were on their way to being our generations Rolling Stones or Led Zeppelin and they fucking blew it.....Dave and Ed especially....they really fucked the pooch and keep on fucking it

[lesfunk]

DHF, This Thread is about facts. Not Your opinions of what dicks Ed and Dave are.

[twonabomber]

just wait, we will see the real DHF soon enough.

if we keep telling him there would be no Aerosmith comeback without Run DMC's help he'll snap.

[VHscraps]

Those sales figures are also US only. '1984' is certified 10-million seller, and it's a long time since it reached that. BUT, as this snip from a Dec. 84 issue of music trade mag Billboard shows, 1984 had sold 8 million worldwide in the year of 1984 alone:

Van Halen, 1984 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

So, who knows what the total worldwide sales are, but with the worldwide success of Jump, it'll easily be a lot more than 10 million.

In Europe, remember, Van Hagar were an opening act. Opening for Bon Jovi - what a comedown. But it was a combination of that idiot Ray Danniels mismanaging them and the fact that Van Hagar sold squat in Europe because they had ignored it since Dave left.

[VHscraps]

Just looking again at the sales of '1984'. At the time of the Warner Bros. snippet, which appeared in Billboard in Dec. 84 the album was RIAA certified as 4 x platinum in the USA. It reached 5 x platinum late in January '85. So, this worldwide figure of nearly 8 million sold by Dec. 84:

Van Halen, 1984 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

means that the album had sold over 3 million outside the USA that year.

So, we know that it is now certified (for the USA) as 10 x platinum, but then you need to add the worldwide sales, which in '84 alon were over three million. In other words, it is likely that the total world sales for the album are at least about 14 or 15 million. You could say the same for the debut album - it kept selling.

[Anonymous]

-The tour still sucked balls without Mike....it still ain't CVH...it's a version of Van Hagar but this time it's Dave that's fronting it...I never thought I'd see Dave lower himself to that when it came to Van Halen

-Dave's solo career compared to what he did between 1978-1984 was less than impressive......some of it was cool but it just wasn't the same and wasn't nearly as cool

-Each one of Dave's solo albums sold less than the one before

-Dave couldn't keep a band

-Ed's a prick

-Sam didn't come a knocking on Ed'd door.....Ed came a knocking on Sam's

-Stern talks out of both sides of his ass...I've heard him sweet talk Sam on his channel too

-Ed's still a prick and cun't play for shit compared to what he once was

-VH sucks now and has for a long, long.....long time

-Then again so has Dave's solo career

-It's pretty bad when a bunch of Sunset Strip never were's can play CVH better than the two guys who original drove the bus to begin with

Hey, Shithead... you mentioned Dave's solo career FOUR times, including how he couldn't keep a band.

How about talking about Spammy's solo career?

Cheers! :bottle:

[davehagarfan]

Those sales figures are also US only. '1984' is certified 10-million seller, and it's a long time since it reached that. BUT, as this snip from a Dec. 84 issue of music trade mag Billboard shows, 1984 had sold 8 million worldwide in the year of 1984 alone:

Van Halen, 1984 on Flickr - Photo Sharing!

So, who knows what the total worldwide sales are, but with the worldwide success of Jump, it'll easily be a lot more than 10 million.

In Europe, remember, Van Hagar were an opening act. Opening for Bon Jovi - what a comedown. But it was a combination of that idiot Ray Danniels mismanaging them and the fact that Van Hagar sold squat in Europe because they had ignored it since Dave left.

It's not like they took Europe by storm every tour from 1978 to 1984. They didn't go back for a couple years after the first tour and they were playing clubs and theaters on that tour. I think alot of that had to do with Ed and Al being dumbasses and a little lazy. I've read several times where Al would cry about it being "pay to play" over there. America was more lucrative and less work for them because they had established themselves. If they would have hit that shit with Dave from 1978 to 1984 their world wide record sales would be alot more then they are. Which I think they are hovering somewhere around 70 million but it might be as low as 50 million. I can't remember the exact number. It's definitely alot less then Bon Jovi, Metallica and alot of other bands.

They played under AC/DC in 1984 over in Europe. They didn't work Europe like they should have back then. Ray Danniels had nothing to do with that.

[davehagarfan]

Hey, Shithead... you mentioned Dave's solo career FOUR times, including how he couldn't keep a band.

How about talking about Spammy's solo career?

Cheers! :bottle:

What about Spam's solo career? Did I say it was more impressive than Dave's? No I didn't.....then again Dave's was mostly underwhelming for as reveered as he is by his flock. As good as the EEAS band was it still wasn't Van Halen.......alot like this little reunion tour Dave and Ed just did come to think of it.

[Anonymous]

Yes, but at least Dave HAS a solo career. AND he put together at least two GRATE bands, not counting Van Halen.

Spam? Nada. Zero.

And by the way, I like Dave's solo career better than Van Halen, I don't care about sales numbers, or any shit like that.

How many fans would Spam have, if not for Dave and Van Halen? 3? More than I have, yeah, but still...

Cheers! :bottle:

[hideyoursheep]

As good as the EEAS band was it still wasn't Van Halen.......alot like this little reunion tour Dave and Ed just did come to think of it.

No, EEAS wasn't VH, but at the time, neither was VH. Between the 2 it's a no-brainer. EEAS wins. So does ALAE. As does DLR band, which IMO is BETTER than anything out of Club Ed with Chubby Cheddar serving the Spam n crackers.


If you think for a second that this latest hook up is going to produce anything similar to where they left off 24 years ago, EVEN with MA, you might need a head doctor.

[ELVIS]

Dave and the promise of a post-rehab Edward is what sold the last tour. The next one will not be as big without Michael Anthony or a really good playing Edward. and it's Ed's fault for not including either one...

It's also Ed's fault for not including Eddie Van Halen in 2004...even that would have sold better, had he been able to play...