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    Cool even when evh was drunk he made normal players look .. crap

    check out how fucking superior he is to the clowns around him in this clip

    stompin from saturday night live 1987

    the guy with the fender spends most of the time gawping in amazement



    - Eddie Van Halen - Stompin' (SNL 87)
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappo View Post
    check out how fucking superior he is to the clowns around him in this clip

    stompin from saturday night live 1987

    the guy with the fender spends most of the time gawping in amazement



    - Eddie Van Halen - Stompin' (SNL 87)
    The "guy" with the fender is GE Smith... But notice Edward is playing wireless? Like wtf? 30 years later he tours with cords dangling all over the fuckin' place!!!




    Dont get me wrong Id rather him use the cords...


    The tapping really was overrated wasn't it? Like in this clip anyways...same sequence....


    I pray to Hitch (our Roth Army Gawd) that dave and Eddie bring somethin' new to the Van Halen sound....Some blues....Some classic sound. Some NEW guitar technique... Alex and Eddie always wanted to be the next Zep... Step up to the plate boys. I think dave can be an excellent Plant! : )
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappo View Post
    check out how fucking superior he is to the clowns around him in this clip

    stompin from saturday night live 1987

    the guy with the fender spends most of the time gawping in amazement



    - Eddie Van Halen - Stompin' (SNL 87)
    I wouldn't really classify G.E. Smith and T-Bone Wolk as "clowns"...but I digress.

    Ed really rips it up in this clip. I can watch it again and again. Great speed, totally clean, and makes it look effortless.

    The song is titled "Stompin 8H", named for the NBC studio where SNL is produced.

    That whole episode of SNL is great, especially the "Dinner with the Van Halen's" segment, where irritating roadies (Dennis Miller and Kevin Nealon I think) turn an average dinner at home for Ed and Val into an "event."
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    Quote Originally Posted by flappo View Post
    check out how fucking superior he is to the clowns around him in this clip

    stompin from saturday night live 1987

    the guy with the fender spends most of the time gawping in amazement



    - Eddie Van Halen - Stompin' (SNL 87)
    Oh Yeah! Ed's awesome when he's drunk.......


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgwWR1TzJkE
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    I remember thinking how much Ed's playing had declined by that point...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I remember thinking how much Ed's playing had declined by that point...

    I agree with that.. Eddie really went into auto-pilot around this time. Eddie had explosive speed... in this tune he seems to play safe.
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    It looks good today, especially compaired to what he has become, but back in the day he was light years ahead of that prformance...

    Sadly, there are very few clips that show what Edward was capable of...

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    Yes, ELVIS, I will agree with you.

    Around the time the touring and albums with FatFuck slowed to a once-every-3-years event, the innovating stopped and he operated inside the same "box", if you will. He had become predictable.

    That SNL clip is just that...with a couple of bumps and a few hours of booze in his system....when he could still handle it, that is.


    If anyone here really needs a measuring stick to go by (and I'm sure most of you don't), cuntsider this:

    On every album prior to 1984, all us Ed worshippers got a new tidbit of guitar work on each album. You had Eruption. Then Spanish Fly, mostly for all the naysayers who said Eruption was a studio trick. You had lots of different shit on WACF to fuck with you, like the intro to Tora Tora and Romeo's Delight, the slide guitar work on Could This Be Magic off the top of my head. The bad-ass intro to Mean Streets, the sound of the entire album, really. You got Cathedral and more interesting leads on some of the other songs. Then the keys came out on 1984.

    After that, what did he do?


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    The last glimpse of the real Edward...





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    He had to carry the show from then on. That's why these Hagar Butt-People are so fond of Ed. It became the Ed Show. Hagar was never allowed to play solos on songs after this tour, was he?

    I don't think so.




    Ed is tweaked out of his mind at this concert!
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    Yeah, Spam and Ed still did One Way to Rock together for several years...

    I saw them do it live in like 1991 and I posted a later version here...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    The last glimpse of the real Edward...





    Good to great for sure...But he had "magic" here in 94.





    but my all time fav. solo work from Ed was here:


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    Yeah, he was sober in '94...I saw that tour and i've posted that clip in the past...he was good there too...maybe he will suprise us one more time...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yeah, he was sober in '94...I saw that tour and i've posted that clip in the past...he was good there too...maybe he will suprise us one more time...

    I truly believe if he stays sober, with the help of his brother Al, his "new" brother Dave and his son by his side and of course a new love in his life, we could really see some good innovative Van Halen coming!

    Even if it is a letdown...Gawd forbid another VH3....We still have the six pack, some Dave solo cd's and the o7/08 tour as our worst case scenario. I like the odds either way!

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    Yeah...

    He just didn't seem all that into it on the last tour...

    He needs to be ON FIRE!



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    I cant wait to hear the new stuff..
    Ok- lets assume Ed's solo power has gone....
    Perhaps he can still wing some tasty rhythm
    pieces..... Throw Dave all over some of that,
    and I cant wait !! We all know theres at
    least 5 songs from 2000.... Theres some
    CVH coming our way again.... Betting its
    the last time.,...
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    Eddie has never had a better band behind him.
    That Sat Night Live bit shows what a one trick pony Eddie really was solo wise.
    ..actually four or five tricks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    Eddie has never had a better band behind him.
    That Sat Night Live bit shows what a one trick pony Eddie really was solo wise.
    ..actually four or five tricks...

    That's what I've been trying to say all along.....what a one trick pony Ed really is. Sure he was flashy and played some really cool stuff but it's not like he was some diverse musician who could hang in with players in different styles of music.....that's why I don't get the whole "Edward Van Halen is the best guitarist in the world" thing.....because he's not. He may have been the best rock guitarist for a while but he's far from the best. Lots of people....including me....got dazzled by his bullshit.......but that's probably why he became a pop star and a guy like Carl Verheyen didn't

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    Quote Originally Posted by davehagarfan View Post
    That's what I've been trying to say all along.....what a one trick pony Ed really is. Sure he was flashy and played some really cool stuff but it's not like he was some diverse musician who could hang in with players in different styles of music.....that's why I don't get the whole "Edward Van Halen is the best guitarist in the world" thing.....because he's not. He may have been the best rock guitarist for a while but he's far from the best. Lots of people....including me....got dazzled by his bullshit.......but that's probably why he became a pop star and a guy like Carl Verheyen didn't

    Ed can play anyones music and any style, but no-one can play his.

    Any guitarists of note(in the ED style) that came after Ed are simply twisting ED one way or the other.

    Anyone who tries just does is faster or slower or syncopates left, rite or indifferent.

    Any other guitarist in the world is simply a rythm guitarist who is good at playing a rythymish, lead.Some are Fantastic at it absolutely unbelievably good at it.

    Why don't you clowns get real, at a glance, and see what you are... hearing.

    -Greatest guitarist in the world- who is the twit that invented that sentence..pfffffftt.... some wordsmith probably,.

    I bet your idea of inovation is some Julliard twit who plays guitar with a real hammer.

    Ed is timeless.

    the guy with the fender spends most of the time gawping in amazement
    No harsh bro, but I think we all know you know who "the guy" is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davehagarfan View Post
    That's what I've been trying to say all along.....what a one trick pony Ed really is. Sure he was flashy and played some really cool stuff but it's not like he was some diverse musician who could hang in with players in different styles of music.....that's why I don't get the whole "Edward Van Halen is the best guitarist in the world" thing.....because he's not. He may have been the best rock guitarist for a while but he's far from the best. Lots of people....including me....got dazzled by his bullshit.......but that's probably why he became a pop star and a guy like Carl Verheyen didn't


    Ouch. Not sure I agree. lol Granted "the best at anything" on this planet is always subject for review. But what we prob all agree Ed is top 5. For technique AND being able to bring that brown sound into the mass media! Flash!

    But one trick pony he is not. He took an instrument and played it and played for fun and revolutionized the way it's played.

    As a guitar player myself i can tell you that Edwards work is some of the most impressive and most difficult to "cover". Raise your hand if you can play Metallica?
    See?

    Edward is hard to learn. For a reason.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Panamark View Post
    I cant wait to hear the new stuff..
    Ok- lets assume Ed's solo power has gone....
    Perhaps he can still wing some tasty rhythm
    pieces..... Throw Dave all over some of that,
    and I cant wait !! We all know theres at
    least 5 songs from 2000.... Theres some
    CVH coming our way again.... Betting its
    the last time.,...
    I can see David talking Ed into making a deep, darker type, blues album. Dave seemed to be bringing the blues out of him on tour. Didn't Mike say that Dave was bringing in samples of lords of acid? could be fucking cool!

    Ive been listening to the wacf sessions lately and it really sounds like they're having a good time. Here's to hoping that whatever they do decide to do; DO THE FUCK OUT OF IT!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yeah...

    He just didn't seem all that into it on the last tour...

    He needs to be ON FIRE!



    he needs to remember the fun he had playing and improving and challenging himself. if he stays clean.

    as for the last tour, if anything they learned walking away from it- I hope it's teaching Wolfie to let loose for Christ sakes. look like a nervous wreck. some parts looked played, some didn't. Like wow! wake up kid your on stage! hello?

    I get the feeling Wolfie would rather be in his own band or playing Tool covers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yeah, Spam and Ed still did One Way to Rock together for several years...

    I saw them do it live in like 1991 and I posted a later version here...
    I meant the Van Hagar songs...Ed used canned keyboards and played guitar himself live, right?

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    I think there was at least one Van Hagar song that Spam played guitar on...

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    Just got home from opening for Los Lonely Boys and boy Am I tired.
    But anyway, I wasn't dissing EVH when I referred to him as a four trick pony.
    It just seemed from watcking that SNL clip that Eddie plays His "signature" bits and nothing else really.
    Let's examine the four "tricks" or sigature EVH isms that reoccur in almost every solo he plays:
    1 the Squeal
    2 the dive bomb
    3 the finger tapping arpeggio
    4 the fast right hand picking while the left hand goes up the scale on one string
    Those are the basic 4 used in combination for many permutations but in the SNL clip he pretty much sticks to those and doesn't really interact with the SNL band at all. They just play the song and Ed plays the same 4 licks he plays in every VH solo over it.

    Flame away Bitches!

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    Now here's where I sound like a total DHF douchebag....
    I'd rather play with G.E. Smith and the SNL band than EVH any day of the week

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    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    Now here's where I sound like a total DHF douchebag....
    Sorry..you're gonna have to try harder than that!


    Quote Originally Posted by lesfunk View Post
    I'd rather play with G.E. Smith and the SNL band than EVH any day of the week
    You mean to jam with, or be in a band with?

    I wouldn't mind sitting in with either one of em, really.....I'm not in VH, so I could biatch-slap Edwad if he gets outta line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Troubles View Post
    Good to great for sure...But he had "magic" here in 94.





    but my all time fav. solo work from Ed was here:


    Ed played better on the Gay For Cherone tour then he did on the Balance tour......having his musical soulmate in the band, by his side finally rejuivied him after all those wasteful, hell years spent with Dave & Sam

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    Quote Originally Posted by thome View Post
    Ed can play anyones music and any style, but no-one can play his.

    Any guitarists of note(in the ED style) that came after Ed are simply twisting ED one way or the other.

    Anyone who tries just does is faster or slower or syncopates left, rite or indifferent.

    Any other guitarist in the world is simply a rythm guitarist who is good at playing a rythymish, lead.Some are Fantastic at it absolutely unbelievably good at it.

    Why don't you clowns get real, at a glance, and see what you are... hearing.

    -Greatest guitarist in the world- who is the twit that invented that sentence..pfffffftt.... some wordsmith probably,.

    I bet your idea of inovation is some Julliard twit who plays guitar with a real hammer.

    Ed is timeless.



    No harsh bro, but I think we all know you know who "the guy" is.

    Damn Thome....you really got it bad for old Ed....you got it worse for Ed then Manboobs does for DLR......I sure hope sniffing and licking Ed's ass the way you do is worth it



    If Ed can play anyone's style and music then why didn't he when he got the chance back then when sitting in with all those late night cats? The fact is Ed couldn't hang with those guys if his life depended on it. The guy is.....well was a phenominal rock guitar player and I'll even give him that he was somewhat innovative in that he took things by different players who had been around for years and integrated them all into his own bag of tricks.....but Ed couldn't hang with guys like Coltrane, Monk or even Mike Stern if he had too....trust me on that. I seriously doubt Ed could hang with Brent Mason either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davehagarfan View Post
    ...that's why I don't get the whole "Edward Van Halen is the best guitarist in the world" thing.....because he's not.
    Sure he is. Maybe not the fastest, the most technical, the most grounbreaking, the most diverse...but here is why Eddie Van Halen is considered a guitar God. Likeability. Plain & simple.

    Take Michael Jordan. Are there any better players today? Perhaps. But none of them are likeable the way MJ was. Tattoos, gangster attitudes, selfish, all about money & contracts, cursing, bad sportsmanship, etc... No one can hold a candle to Jordan.

    Eddie was a cute guy, great smile, you could put his poster up without your parents freaking out, he married a sweet girl that everyone liked & not some street slut like a Tawny Kitaen or Bobby Brown. He never got caught driving drunk, injuring or killing a friend, overdosing on drugs, buying drugs, drinking binge fights, yelling at fans, throwing things into the audience like so many of todays people do. You would feel safe if your girlfriend went backstage to meet him (not Dave though).

    Then there was his playing. Unique sound. You hear it & you immediately know it's him. Popularized the tapping method. Wrote some of the best summertime riffs the world will ever hear that had a unique Americana sound to them ( I give credit to Dave here too). Not to mention his incredible tone that everyone tried to copy but couldn't quite nail it. His music could be loved by Slayer fans to Duran Duran fans and everything in between. Saying you didn't like Van Halen was like saying you didn't like hamburgers, mustangs or the American flag.

    The music was about fun. Not political. Not sad about losing your girlfriend. Not about death, war, or your dog running away.

    I can't explain why he had this effect, but he did. It would be like explaining why even die-hard (rather push a Chevy than drive a Ford) Chevy fans appreciate old classic Mustangs.

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    The Talent of EVH in the day is totally unbelievable I would stay drunk if I could play half that good!!!!


    Quote Originally Posted by flappo View Post
    check out how fucking superior he is to the clowns around him in this clip

    stompin from saturday night live 1987

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    I went to the Fur Peace Ranch to sit in a bass guitar class taught by Jack Casady and GE Smith was there teaching some guitar classes. Nice guy. He was the SNL band leader for several years, played for Bob Dylan, Hall and Oats, and few others. There was one hot shot in the class that was a show off and pretty obnoxious. GE Smith asked the guy to name a note on the fret board and he didn't know the name of the note. GE said, I suggest you learn your fret board better. That shut the prick up. LOL!
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    Vallerie still says Ed is a great guy. They just couldn't stand living together. Val said Ed is so much more than the rockstar people think he is. I thought that was a pretty cool comment from an ex wife.

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    Great discussion! He's good Ed, even fucked up. I noticed his playing suffering as the years went on. The pressure of being a rock star and not a regular, fallible human being must have been huge. Poor guy(s), Van Halen meant so much more than "Greatest Guitar Player 1981" and all that sizing-up, pinning down, classify and pull apart stuff that the public and media do to those they love. One can only wonder what might have been had Van Halen pulled through those "megastar" years somehow
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