Anyone tried Recabinet?

[jhale667]

So has anyone else heard of, or better yet tried Recabinet with their recording rigs? I've been hearing good things about this software, and if it sounds better than the cab emulations in PODfarm it could definitely be worth having.



Recabinet - Album quality guitar tone, direct.

Recabinet Complete 2.0


Recabinet Complete 2.0 is our flagship product, and includes the entire Recabinet Modern and Recabinet Vintage libraries, for a total of nearly 2000 impulse responses of cabinets and microphones spanning the 1950s to the present day. The entire 2.0 library was sampled at Fox Force Five Recorders in Los Angeles using a pristine analog signal path into world class A-D converters (API 3124 mic preamps into Apogee Rosetta converters.)


Cabinets

* “Tangerine 4×12” - Orange 4×12
* “1960 4×12″ - Marshall 1960AV 4×12
* “Excel 4×12” - Randall RS412XLT100 4×12
* “Ghandi 4×12″ - Mesa Standard 4×12 (newly resampled for version 2.0)
* “Motown 1×15″ - Ampeg Portaflex B15N bass amp.
* “Blackface 4×10″ - Fender ‘65 Super Reverb 4×10
* “Tweed 1×12″ - Fender ‘53 Deluxe 1×12
* “Green 4×12″ - Marshall 4×12 with Greenbacks
* “Zodiac 2×12″ - Selmer Zodiac Twin 30
* “Top Boost 2×12″ - Vox AC30

Microphones

* “57″ - Shure SM57 - industry standard dynamic microphone, the most popular microphone for guitar recording.
* “545″ - Shure Unidyne III 545 - sought-after vintage predecessor to the Shure SM57, known for its smooth response, appreciated by those in the know.
* “121″ - Royer 121 - legendary modern ribbon mic, extremely popular in modern recordings.
* “409″ - Sennheiser MD409 - legendary vintage side-address dynamic microphone, used on many modern and classic recordings.
* “421″ - Sennheiser MD421 - legendary dynamic mic, used on many modern and classic recordings.
* “i5″ - Audix i5 - modern industry standard dynamic microphone, for a full-range, aggressive response.
* “D6″ - Audix D6 - modern kick drum mic, great for getting the low “cabinet rumble” tone as a blend-in with your primary tone.
* “U87″ - Neumann U87 - legendary condenser microphone with incredibly detailed, musical response.
* “RTA” - DBX RTA reference microphone, known for its perfectly flat response and high SPL rating. Useful especially for Fractal Audio AxeFX users, and cool for everyone else!

Bonus - Recabinet Modern 1.0

Recabinet Complete 2.0 also includes the entire critically acclaimed Recabinet Modern 1.0 library, which includes the following additional cabinets:

* “Ghandi” - Mesa Standard/Oversize 4×12
* “Angora” - Line 6 Vetta 4×12
* “Igor” - Krank Krankenstein 4×12
* “Genzie” - Genz Benz G-Flex ported 2×12
* “Sterling” - Marshall Hand Wired 4×12 (late 1960s reissue)
* “Damien” - Marshall 1936 2×12
* “Kirby” - Carvin 4×12 British Series
* “Manatee” - Ampeg SVT 8×10 Bass Cabinet (using Ampeg SVT Pro Classic power section)
* “Trapezoid” - Roland Micro Cube (using native power section)

These cabinets were sampled using the Universal Audio 610 tube mic preamp, with the following mics:

* “57″ - Shure SM57 - industry standard dynamic microphone, the most popular microphone for guitar recording.
* “i5″ - Audix i5 - modern industry standard dynamic microphone, for a full-range, aggressive response.
* “4060″ - Audio Technica 4060 - modern high-SPL condenser microphone, for warm, full-bodied tone.
* “D6″ - Audix D6 - modern kick drum mic, great for getting the low “cabinet rumble” tone as a blend-in with your primary tone.



Since this is a stand-alone plug-in, I'd also be able to run the direct out from my Mesa-Boogie into my M-box and record it w/Pro Tools in addition to all the amp models in PODfarm.

Check out some of the audio samples on the site...it sounds pretty good, potentially better than anything I've heard w/PODfarm or Amplitube alone...

[jhale667]

This kid's using a Boogie F-50 into his recording interface, and though the song is all about the Cookie Monster, he seems to be getting a very cool tone...(in that it doesn't sound like a cheese grater playing along with the record, like most cab-emulated pre-amp-only amp setups)




Think I'm going to pick up the software bundle in the coming weeks...

[GAR]

Have you seen or heard a demo in person yet?

[jhale667]

Have you seen or heard a demo in person yet?

Have you?

And where would one do that, precisely? I've researched it heavily and listened to every clip I could find thus far and I'm liking what I'm hearing.

It's about a 1g download, and it has a money-back guarantee. It's worth a shot.

[Nitro Express]

The digital emulation works if you are digitally recording an MP3. My problem with it is when it's used on stage at stage volumes. You can hear the processing and it sounds thin to me. It's loses the dynamics compared to analog.

[jhale667]

The digital emulation works if you are digitally recording an MP3. My problem with it is when it's used on stage at stage volumes. You can hear the processing and it sounds thin to me. It's loses the dynamics compared to analog.

This would be used for recording only, so no worries there...

[GAR]

Have you?

And where would one do that, precisely? I've researched it heavily and listened to every clip I could find thus far and I'm liking what I'm hearing.

It's about a 1g download, and it has a money-back guarantee. It's worth a shot.

I didn't work on this project, but a couple acquaintances are doing clinics with Apogee's new ONE interface -

Apogee Electronics > Products > ONE

They make a stereo input thing called the Duo for $600 bucks, this this is single-channel for half that plus a warez bundle.

I went to check their little demo out and critique presentation, and they're doing basically very well I think. I hope they're successful.

It was shown using a little Garage Band along with a couple other programs features, but I don't know what it comes bundled with but what I did like is the ease of useability.

With competition like this I would keep GC bookmarked for upcoming clinics on Recabinet because I'd expect a road tour if it's really that good. The ONE unit, that thing is good and I'm getting one.

Plus it's cheap, like me!

[jhale667]

That's nice, but we're not talking interfaces here, we're talking cabinet emulation?

[jhale667]

Someone asked a similar question on another board, and someone using PODfarm responded...

I have ReCabinet 2.0 AND Vintage and I can't get enough of them!

I too use mostly POD Farm and in a word...yes, it will improve your tone...somewhat. The thing is, it depends on WHICH cab you select with the amp model you are using. People who say ReCabinet does not sound as good as are misled or just too lazy to find the right setup. I'm almost certain that no one who discounts ReCabinet has tried every single IR within ReCabinet (there are several hundred) on every amp model they use. It's more difficult to find the tone your looking for this way because you'll have to work for it a little bit Wink I find it worth the effort anyway

"Better" isn't necessarily the word to describe the effect of using IRs. It's too subjective. IRs (ala ReCabinet) will make the guitar part more dynamic and realistic though. Sometimes it's only a subtle difference and other times it blows me away how different it is Surprised In the right context, a low-fi tone is the right one or, "better" tone for the part. Stay away from judging what's better and just enjoy the full palette of tones available to you. Use what works.

ReCabinet (the complete version + vintage) has just about every cabinet and mic you could EVER want or need. Some sound amazing and others sound shit and this reverses depending on the amp model you choose so...there ya go. It's ALL relative in the end.

Enjoy
Rich (blueman)

[GAR]

That's nice, but we're not talking interfaces here, we're talking cabinet emulation?

Don't all recording packages since Steinberg VST have some kind of amp/cabs group to sort thru?

Buddy of mine has had all that stuff, in Logic Pro and Protools before that, for yeeeeears.

I'm saying if it's all software-DSP anyways how different could one set of DSP be from another? Either they suck or they are "just-okay".

I know I can't run 4 stacks at 3am as I would like to, so this DI recording to me is still more Pod than I care to take seriously.

Direct Input/DSP recording is a good scratchpad but I haven't heard one good enough to take seriously enough as "keeper" material but if you're set on getting Recabinet then you get to be the board Ginea Pig on it!

[jhale667]

That's Guinea Pig...and yes, looks like it..

[Nitro Express]

This would be used for recording only, so no worries there...

Then you can get away with it and not only that, it probably will make the recording process easier and frankly probably better. These digital tools are eliminating the need for real sound engineers and propper studios. I'm amazed at some of the home recordings people are doing now.

[Coyote]

I'm amazed at some of the home recordings people are doing now.

Me too, but probably not in the same sense...

[jhale667]

Me too, but probably not in the same sense...

I hear ya...
There's a kid who shall remain nameless that posts on one of the pickup forums...probably early 20s, extremely knowledgeable on pickups, magnets, recording gear, etc.
He posts links to his MySpace page - (sad part) production-wise, things sound great, surprisingly good, actually - but he's a terribly mediocre player, poor guy! In parts it sounded like a real band's CD or professional-quality demo that someone let their kid take a solo over. Very odd and ironic.

There's an amazing amount of sonic magic and/or turd-polishers on the market...

[GAR]

Instead of hinting at the forum, link us so we can see this great tool in progress.. the warez, I mean not the kid!


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linky
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[jhale667]

Linkage aplenty in the OP, dummy...

But since you're slow...the. media. page.

Recabinet - Album quality guitar tone, direct. » Media

the. forum. user. clip. link.

Recabinet Official Forums - View forum - Recabinet User Clips

[Diamondjimi]

Jizzmop, ahahahahaaha!!!

Classic, perfect for said Jizzmop!

[GAR]

"ahehehehe I know you are but what am I ehehehehhe"

DoucheLITE..
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Jay - the um, PICKUPS thread? Or are you inferring the Seymor Duncan Forums but for some reason obscuring how obvious that is..

DiMarzio hasn't had an innovation in 30 years, so I can't imagine they have a forum running. Larry won't even man his own tradeshow booth, or leave his hotel room when NAMM rolls along so I know he doesn't have a thoughful braincycle circling within that fuzzy red head of his..

[GAR]

AHA! Jay spends more time on the Duncan forum than he does playing guitar.. so that's whats going on.

He didn't want to be trolled over there. As if this board has such a problem!

[jhale667]

I didn't name the forum...and YES, Dimarzio has one too, asshat.

I could spend a year solid online and probably still outplay you, so not too worried...

[jhale667]

AHA! Jay spends more time on the Duncan forum than he does playing guitar..

Like you'd know how much I practice, sperm-burp?
Hmm...last time I checked, I was holding down a full-time job (that a Mexi-kin can't steal), modding at two boards (one you got fired from, btw) and I'm simultaneously owning the shit out of you....ALSO I have posted proof that as well as actually OWNING guitars, I can indeed play well...unlike you.


That's what's going on, spunkguzzler....:tongue0011:

[Diamondjimi]

I didn't name the forum...and YES, Dimarzio has one too, asshat.

I could spend a year solid online and probably still outplay you, so not too worried...

Like you'd know how much I practice, sperm-burp?
Hmm...last time I checked, I was holding down a full-time job (that a Mexi-kin can't steal), modding at two boards (one you got fired from, btw) and I'm simultaneously owning the shit out of you....ALSO I have posted proof that as well as actually OWNING guitars, I can indeed play well...unlike you.


That's what's going on, spunkguzzler....:tongue0011:

Back to back ownages!

Splendid work there...

[jhale667]

Ownings aside...

I also started really messing around with the cabinet selections in PODfarm as well...just like reality some virtual combinations sound meh, and some waaaay better than others...ended up re-writing a Bogner preset I'd made up a few months back;
switched out the cabinet emulation from one with Vintage 30s to Greenbacks. It'll make another nice backing track tone now as well...

And more importantly, spoke to the guys at Mesa-Boogie today, and thought the direct/slave out on the Mark III isn't a true "recording" out, it is line-level, and post FX-loop & power section...so I could knock it down to 15 watts in here-so as not to kill my neighbors (a speaker load still has to be in the amp's chain), and record with my amp and usual pedal board set up(!) and emulate a cab with Celestion Greenbacks, Vintage 30s, 75s...whatevs!

That's the total selling point on Recabinet for me...can't use the cabinet emulation w/my Boogie in PODfarm to the best of my knowledge without there being some form of preamp (even like one of its' vocal pres) added between the amp and the cabinet emulation....Recabinet, being a stand-alone plugin, will allow it with no additional coloration...


Going to be frugal and wait until payday but definitely picking up the software... I figure the more flexibility I have with my home recording setup the better.
I tend to think one plays better in a live or recording situation if you're more comfortable with the tone you're hearing too, and getting to use my amp will feel more like "home".

[GAR]

I won't disagree with your rec source output methods because if I do I'd have to make more suggestions you'd avoid and criticize unfairly.

I was thinking the word "recabinet" last night when I loaded that set of blackbacks into an empty straight I picked up for $20 bucks in Santa Clarita couple months ago, simply for running the GK-250ML stereo.

The GK has a just-okay DI sound ("Drop Dead Legs" chorus tone) however it takes on a totally different character and the bass grows much bigger when you use the dual 16ohm outputs. It's simple enough for even me to use.

A proper load definitely affects the DI which I've never done. It's always been a 16 ohm cab ran stereo, which becomes two 8 ohm loads so the combo speakers in it kinda die out.

Now that I loaded these 8 ohm, 55hz blackbacks it sounds phenomenal. I originally picked them up for someone else's project I had going but when I got home and looked at em they were 8 not 16's... not a bad setup for only $120, but a bitch to wire up custom with the Marshall stereo switch I added.

(I previously shared on the other board buying a slant cab from Lawndale GC for $175 tax incl. then selling it empty for $75).

[jhale667]

I won't disagree with your rec source output methods because if I do I'd have to make more suggestions you'd avoid and criticize unfairly.

So instead you then try to turn a thread about cabinet emulation into one about replacing speakers in a cabinet?

[GAR]

Actual speakers create a damping effect on the signal path: these plugins provide a method of modifying that efffect by calling different functions "greenback" "orange" "plexi" and what have you which is fine.

They can call it that, but it's another thing altogether to have the real thing running direct input.

What I particularly like about these plugins is where you can fool with the room ambience, put the cab in a cathedral, put it on the edge of the Grand Canyon.. put it in a woodpaneled studio.. place a mic, etc.

It's like a video game almost: lets see how much time we can have a user waste dicking around with setting after impossible setting while we cook up fixes in v. 3.0, 5.0 etc.

[Blackflag]

Going to be frugal and wait until payday but definitely picking up the software...

Dude, buy some fucking health insurance first.

[jhale667]

Yeah, got that already, thanks...

[Blackflag]

I mean your own insurance, not your riding on your mom's.

[jhale667]

I have my own, dipshit. And for the record, I'm tired of riding your mom...


Want an insurance debate? Go to the Front Line...stay on topic or STFU.

To paraphrase something you once said: "I like your posts in the Front Line, but I'll kick your ass here."

[Blackflag]

To paraphrase something you once said: "I like your posts in the Front Line, but I'll kick your ass here."

I don't remember ever saying that.

[Matt White]

Stay on topic....or fuck off....it's that simple

[Blackflag]

Lighten up, douchebag. Make a topic out of that.

[GAR]

When the software approximation of cabinet damping effect is called "emulation" instead of the proper term "estimation" I get a little leery of such boldness.

I like playing video games too, but I hope this is usefull at least!

[jhale667]

According to all the major manufacturers the term "emulation" (or "simulation") works just fine..your leeriness not withstanding.

My curiosity now is, since my amp's power section is going to be involved in the direct-recording scenario, if I add Recabinet's power section emulation into the equation is that going to be too much coloration, or would it sound like a slaved amp that's been cranked? Hmmm...

[Blackflag]

This thread smells like ass.

[jhale667]

This thread smells like ass.

Do you even play an instrument or do any home recording, or are you strictly trolling?
Have anything relevant to contribute? If not, STFU.

[Blackflag]

Yeah, of course I play. My only contribution would be that I've never heard electronics, or digital effects, or emulation that sounds as good as pure sound. I think they're all bullshit. They were bullshit 20 years ago, and after all this advancement, they're still bullshit.

But what does that have to do with this thread smelling like ass?

[jhale667]

OK, and you came to this informed decision based on going to the webpage and checking out the soundclips, or did you just make your pronouncement based on your opinion of 20 years ago?

And let's leave your ass out of it...(that's what you're smelling, stupid).

[Blackflag]

I didn't listen to the sound clips...but that's kind of silly in itself. I'm going to listen to a sound clip through my 1" computer speaker of a digital system that's attempting to sound like a Marshall cab...and you want to know if it sounds like a Marshall cab? Hmm... I wonder how that's going to go. But I did play through a similar thing a few years ago, and it sucked.

But just for you - I'll listen and let you know what I think.