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    White House advisers say Fox News is not news

    By ANN SANNER,
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    Sun Oct 18, 2:34 pm ET

    WASHINGTON – White House advisers pledged on Sunday to book administration officials on Fox News despite claims by the president's inner circle that the cable network is a GOP mouthpiece whose programming "is geared toward making money."

    Last week, White House communications director Anita Dunn said Fox News operates "almost as either the research arm or the communications arm of the Republican Party." On Sunday, Rahm Emanuel, President Barack Obama's chief of staff, said, "It is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."

    In response to the criticism, Fox News executive Michael Clemente on Sunday accused the White House of continuing to "declare war on a news organization" rather than focusing on issues such as jobs and health care.

    "The door remains open and we welcome a discussion about the facts behind the issues," said Clemente, senior vice president of news, in a written statement.

    Fox News commentators Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity have been strong Obama critics, and Bill O'Reilly has taken tough looks at the administration. Obama avoided "Fox News Sunday" when he visited five Sunday morning news shows last month; three aides carried the administration's message on Afghanistan, health care and the economy this Sunday to ABC, CBS, CNN and NBC, but not Fox; and a recent White House blog post accused Beck of lying. Beck has called Obama a racist.

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    "No way!!"

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    Appearing on ABC's "This Week," senior Obama adviser David Axelrod said Fox News shouldn't be treated as a news organization. "And the bigger thing is that other news organizations, like yours, ought not to treat them that way, and we're not going to treat them that way," he said.
    Finally!
    Rupert is nuts. The top ratings and money maker is porn. Ratings and making the moo-la does not mean you have a news organization. It simply means you have a rater and a cash cow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hideyoursheep View Post
    "No way!!"

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    The White House is really being stupid on this one. The more they talk about it, the higher Fox ratings will rise. And the more certain hosts on Fox will talk shit. Treat them the same as everyone else. Go on their shows, give the interviews. Just don't go on Beck, Hannity or O'Reilly. Nothing wrong with the actual "news" people. Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, Bret Baier. Go on those programs. This whole thing is really making the administration look like a bunch of crybabies.


    Tackle the issues, not people who may be voicing opposition. They just keep serving up plenty of things for people to rag on and losing focus of what they really need to be doing...repairing the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by standin View Post
    Finally!
    Rupert is nuts. The top ratings and money maker is porn. Ratings and making the moo-la does not mean you have a news organization. It simply means you have a rater and a cash cow.
    A rater is someone who rates something and "moo-la"means nothing...
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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    Nothing wrong with the actual "news" people. Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, Bret Baier. Go on those programs. .
    Chris Wallace? Are you fucking kidding me?

    His father should sue him for defamation of the family name.

    Of course the irony here is that Axelrod said this on ABC, which hasn't been a legitimate news organization itself since Peter Jennings died. It's just as right wing as FAUX most of the time, but it's (distant) past reputation allows it to claim legitimacy.
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    The "Big Dog" calls out Chris Dumbass on his smirking douchebaggery......

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Chris Wallace? Are you fucking kidding me?


    LOL...I guess I must be. Never watched the Sunday news programs. Thought he was more journalist than opinion.

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    It's hard to believe he came from Mike Wallace's balls. Just another FAUX neocon hack.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The "Big Dog" calls out Chris Dumbass on his smirking douchebaggery......

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    Quote Originally Posted by sadaist View Post
    The White House is really being stupid on this one. The more they talk about it, the higher Fox ratings will rise. And the more certain hosts on Fox will talk shit. Treat them the same as everyone else. Go on their shows, give the interviews. Just don't go on Beck, Hannity or O'Reilly. Nothing wrong with the actual "news" people. Chris Wallace, Shepard Smith, Bret Baier. Go on those programs. This whole thing is really making the administration look like a bunch of crybabies.


    Tackle the issues, not people who may be voicing opposition. They just keep serving up plenty of things for people to rag on and losing focus of what they really need to be doing...repairing the country.
    I disagree. I think it's the right thing to say, regardless of what political effect it may have.

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    It's silly that this administration is worried about Limbaugh and FOX News...

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    Quote Originally Posted by standin View Post
    Rupert is nuts.
    Maybe so but Fox News has morphed into its own monster that has stepped out of the boundaries of Murdoch control. Beck and Co. carry the propaganda machine that is Fox News over to their highly unreadable books and boring radio shows making the mothership they serve not so much a "cash cow" as a gravy train. And they love where the ride is taking them.

    So now the Obama Administration has discovered Fox isn't (proper) journalism..? Why stop there? Why not chastise CNN? Or MSNBC for that matter? As if the Obama Administration is now making its own news by observation. I said this before about these lame 24-hour cable news networks in that despite their political slant they all serve the same master which is their advertisers and shareholders.
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    Well accountability must have some line at the very least " this is what it is not"
    Thunderf00t had a commentary about accountability and corporate ran informational sites. He made some good points, but it was on another totally different corporate informational site.
    Basically what he said was accountability is paramount over profits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by standin View Post
    By ANN SANNER,
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    Sun Oct 18, 2:34 pm ET

    WASHINGTON – White House advisers pledged on Sunday to book administration officials on Fox News despite claims by the president's inner circle that the cable network is a GOP mouthpiece whose programming "is geared toward making money."

    On Sunday, Rahm Emanuel, President Barack Obama's chief of staff, said, "It is not a news organization so much as it has a perspective."


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    On the basis of those two comments, the standard could be applied equally to MSNBC, NBC, ABC, CBS.

    Except they are not making nearly as much money.

    So is his problem really only that they disagree with the administration? Certainly they have no problem with news orgs with both a "perspective" and the ability to make some money.

    This does make them look like crybabies. If they are worried about getting roughed up by a news org in the US, how are they looking to global leaders on the world stage?

    Charmin soft..
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    I think the Obama Administration is trying to get people's attention on something that doesn't matter because the things that matter are spinning out of control. Job loses, housing foreclosures, devaluation of the US Dollar, people with money and skills leaving the US. Oh the stock market is going up but that's because all the money the central banks have put into circulation are flooding into the financial markets. So now you have a situation where production and consumption are down but the market rallies. So let's start some shit with Fox as a distraction.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    It's silly that this administration is worried about Limbaugh and FOX News...
    I disagree. With the high percentage of people in this country that allow guys like Limbaugh and Fox "News" to do their thinking for them, plus the propensity Fox has for sticking it's legitimate news anchors with guys like Beck who then pretend to be "educated" about what's "really" going on by him, it adds an air of supposed journalistic integrity to people who are only entertainers not talented enough to be either musicians or stand up comedians.

    Thus, the misconception comes to Fox's viewers that they're actually watching a news broadcast and being "educated" about the affairs in this country. It's dishonest and deceitful. When lies, half truths or out and out falsehoods are perpetuated in such a fashion about this administration SIMPLY because Fox is still pissed that McPalin lost the election, than the only viable option is for the White House to take a public stance to dispel this.

    Unfortunately, too many people have their heads either in a bible or up their ass (or both) and are more willing to subscribe to the constant fear mongering that Fox spreads like a disease...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    When lies, half truths or out and out falsehoods are perpetuated in such a fashion about this administration SIMPLY because Fox is still pissed that McPalin lost the election, than the only viable option is for the White House to take a public stance to dispel this.
    Bob,

    I'm curious why you feel this is the case. Considering how many clearly Pro-Obama news outlets there are (both above board and below), why is the White House's ONLY recourse to call them out on it? Why not just ignore them if they disagree with the viewpoint?

    Whether you feel they are news or entertainment or something in between, isn't it kind of benath the White House to even entertain the direction they are taking. Shouldn't criticizing of the network be done by people lower on the food chain? Republicans could have made the same case about MSNBC and Olby's and Maddow's relentless pursuit of them (even after their term) and accused them in the same terms you used (which Cheney did after his term). Not saying they took the high road, because there isn't one, just saying leaving it be and letting the allies at the CBS' and CNN's of the world attack Fox would be a better tactic.

    Our perception on the world stage (which I feel is weakened with this somewhat petty pissing, compared to the actual issues of the day) I feel is more important than getting into a fight with a news outlet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Train View Post
    Our perception on the world stage (which I feel is weakened with this somewhat petty pissing, compared to the actual issues of the day) I feel is more important than getting into a fight with a news outlet.
    This comment would be much more persuasive if you had made it at a time when our perception on the world stage actually plummeted. You know, like during the Bush, Jr. presidency.

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    What Obama does in the here and now is what I'm concerned about. Bush is another subject that, while I understand why you would feel that way given how you feel about him, has no bearing on Obama's actions at the moment with whatever currency we have.

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    The subject is the fraudulency of FAUX Noise. The comparison of the Obamadministration to the BCE is relevant, because FAUX cheered 24/7 for Chimpy and now rants 24/7 against Obama.

    It's right wing propaganda, not news.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The subject is the fraudulency of FAUX Noise. The comparison of the Obamadministration to the BCE is relevant, because FAUX cheered 24/7 for Chimpy and now rants 24/7 against Obama.
    Exactly.

    ..and when it became evident the BCE was being justifiably criticized by some of it's own...publicly....It was 24/7 coverage of the Duke Rape Case, or the missing girl in Aruba.


    Fucking ridiculous.

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    Not one reference from FNC about where Social Security would be had it been privatized like Bush wanted...


    They worked so hard to sell the idea, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    It's silly that this administration is worried about Limbaugh and FOX News...
    Apparently to them it is not. If Fox did not exist, King Obama and his cabinet would have the media in their back pocket. His administration will not rest until they have wiped out any dissent toward his left of center methods on running this country. I see a dictator styled attack on talk radio and Fox news in the near future.
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    A dictator who can't even get a health bill through.

    I don't know why so many Americans want to be told what to think by an Australian billionaire...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH View Post
    Apparently to them it is not. If Fox did not exist, King Obama and his cabinet would have the media in their back pocket. His administration will not rest until they have wiped out any dissent toward his left of center methods on running this country. I see a dictator styled attack on talk radio and Fox news in the near future.

    I agree. It's really weird the way they just straight out go after opposition. Like campaign mode going after the other people running with attack ads. They don't even disguise it or deny it. To me, the Presidency & his administration should be above this. But then again, the office of the President gets more tarnished with each new guy that takes over.

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    White House boasts: We 'control' news media
    Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government

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    Posted: October 18, 2009
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    By Aaron Klein
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    Anita Dunn

    TEL AVIV – President Obama's presidential campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled," White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.

    "Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.

    "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama's chief campaign manager.

    "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," Dunn said.

    Continued Dunn: "Whether it was a David Plouffe video or an Obama speech, a huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was. … Making the press cover what we were saying."


    Dunn was speaking at a Jan. 12, 2009, event focusing on Obama's media tactics and hosted by the Global Foundation for Democracy and Development, which seeks to promote collaboration between the U.S. and the Dominican Republic. The event was held in Santo Domingo and was attended by the country's president.

    Dunn has been facing some criticism since she led a White House campaign last week against Fox News, slamming the top-rated network as an "arm of the Republican Party" and "opinion journalism masquerading as news."

    Fox hit back this past Friday, releasing a video of Dunn speaking to high school students last June in which she lists her two "favorite political philosophers," including Communist Chinese leader Mao Tse-tung, whose draconian policies are blamed for the deaths of tens of millions of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH View Post
    White House boasts: We 'control' news media
    Communications chief offers shocking confession to foreign government

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    Anita Dunn

    TEL AVIV – President Obama's presidential campaign focused on "making" the news media cover certain issues while rarely communicating anything to the press unless it was "controlled," White House Communications Director Anita Dunn disclosed to the Dominican government at a videotaped conference.

    "Very rarely did we communicate through the press anything that we didn't absolutely control," said Dunn.

    "One of the reasons we did so many of the David Plouffe videos was not just for our supporters, but also because it was a way for us to get our message out without having to actually talk to reporters," said Dunn, referring to Plouffe, who was Obama's chief campaign manager.

    "We just put that out there and made them write what Plouffe had said as opposed to Plouffe doing an interview with a reporter. So it was very much we controlled it as opposed to the press controlled it," Dunn said.

    Continued Dunn: "Whether it was a David Plouffe video or an Obama speech, a huge part of our press strategy was focused on making the media cover what Obama was actually saying as opposed to why the campaign was saying it, what the tactic was. … Making the press cover what we were saying."


    Dunn was speaking at a Jan. 12, 2009, event focusing on Obama's media tactics and hosted by the Global Foundation for Democracy and Development, which seeks to promote collaboration between the U.S. and the Dominican Republic. The event was held in Santo Domingo and was attended by the country's president.

    Dunn has been facing some criticism since she led a White House campaign last week against Fox News, slamming the top-rated network as an "arm of the Republican Party" and "opinion journalism masquerading as news."

    Fox hit back this past Friday, releasing a video of Dunn speaking to high school students last June in which she lists her two "favorite political philosophers," including Communist Chinese leader Mao Tse-tung, whose draconian policies are blamed for the deaths of tens of millions of people.
    Well, according to them, you supported a president that caused 9/11 via an inside job...

    But, I guess a retarded "news" site that completely fabricates shit on the level of "Batboy" might be a tad schizo...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH View Post
    Apparently to them it is not. If Fox did not exist, King Obama and his cabinet would have the media in their back pocket. His administration will not rest until they have wiped out any dissent toward his left of center methods on running this country. I see a dictator styled attack on talk radio and Fox news in the near future.
    Been wading in paranoid waters much?

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    The Obahaahahaama adminstration obviously has...

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    What gets me is that if Fox News is so concerned about being censored since they seem to be the only ones so vociferous about it then why hasn't Hannity or his propaganda-producing ilk been taken off the air yet? As in today? As in this very hour? After all, if Obama is anywhere near being the despot Fox claims he is why hasn't a few brown shirts of the Obama Administration knocked down the doors of Fox studios?


    Oh that's right, better to twist to ratings then bend to reality.

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    Thom Hartmann has made a couple of great points on this subject this morning....

    First he pointed out that Dana "too much Cappucino" Perino (who now appears on FAUX, naturally) admitted just the other day that the BCE shut out MSNBC when they occupied the White House, so it's really hypocritical for Repukes to bitch about it now.

    Also he mentioned that when Chimpy invited "talk radio" hosts to the White House, they were all right wing. Thom wasn't invited. Mike Malloy wasn't invited. Nobody associated with Air America was invited. Not even Ron Reagan, whose father used to live there, and is still considered the Repuke "messiah".

    And what Mush/BecKKK/Hannity/O'Loofah/etc. do on the radio isn't news either.

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    Because they can't...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Because they can't...
    Well, that explains everything.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Been wading in paranoid waters much?
    No, but it appears you drink alot of kool aid. Obama has hired a diversity czar by the name of Mark Lloyd. He has big plans on eliminating conservative voice from talk radio. He fully realizes there is very little demand for liberal talk radio, it doesn't make money. But come hell or high water he will force it into the mainstream markets. Mr. Lloyd is also a huge fan of Hugo Chavez. You are a very intelligent woman, so I am sure you know what Chavez is doing to the Venezuelan media or anyone who speaks ill of his government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Been wading in paranoid waters much?
    I guess you already know this but I believe there is no paranoia...

    Seems to be in reality about 80% of -ALL Media-... "Swings Liberal" (leftist) ,..Movies, Radio, Print Media, (Magazines/Newspapers), Music, (the ones who get the most promotion) Covers, Front Page, Lead Stories, TV Anouncers, 95% of all TV Shows, are all Liberal Bias..........etc......

    The "Right Swing" or Belief System... seem to hinge solely with a couple, of Radio Guys, Fox News and of course -The- Ted Nugent....(Bless the Nuge).

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Thom Hartmann has made a couple of great points on this subject this morning....

    First he pointed out that Dana "too much Cappucino" Perino (who now appears on FAUX, naturally) admitted just the other day that the BCE shut out MSNBC when they occupied the White House, so it's really hypocritical for Repukes to bitch about it now.

    Also he mentioned that when Chimpy invited "talk radio" hosts to the White House, they were all right wing. Thom wasn't invited. Mike Malloy wasn't invited. Nobody associated with Air America was invited. Not even Ron Reagan, whose father used to live there, and is still considered the Repuke "messiah".

    And what Mush/BecKKK/Hannity/O'Loofah/etc. do on the radio isn't news either.
    Does Thom Hartmann remember the Bush White House openly going on a month long jag against MSNBC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH View Post
    No, but it appears you drink alot of kool aid.
    I prefer when she drinks wine. Lots of tasty, delicious red wine...

    Obama has hired a diversity czar by the name of Mark Lloyd.
    Who gives a fuck?

    He has big plans on eliminating conservative voice from talk radio.
    He's not doing a very good job then...

    He fully realizes there is very little demand for liberal talk radio, it doesn't make money.
    Most talk radio doesn't really make that much money. It's just a relatively cheap way to fill lots of afternoon hours between the time when corporate "news-talk" radio stations pretend they're out gathering actual news...

    But come hell or high water he will force it into the mainstream markets.
    Most main stream markets already have Air America and the other one. So what does he need to force? Do you mean like how the Bush Admin tried to force NPR to run more right wing bullshit?

    Mr. Lloyd is also a huge fan of Hugo Chavez.
    Oh God NO!! Not that devil Chavez!! You'd of thought he flew an airliner into the WTC or something...

    You are a very intelligent woman, so I am sure you know what Chavez is doing to the Venezuelan media or anyone who speaks ill of his government.
    Overthrow a democratically elected leader in a CIA-backed coup? Oh wait! That was us...
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