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  • ELVIS
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    • Dec 2003
    • 44120

    Buy a $15,000 Policy or Go to Jail

    JCT Confirms Failure to Comply with Democrats’ Mandate Can Lead to 5 Years in Jail

    November 06, 2009



    Today, Ranking Member of the House Ways and Means Committee Dave Camp (R-MI) released a letter from the non-partisan Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) confirming that the failure to comply with the individual mandate to buy health insurance contained in the Pelosi health care bill (H.R. 3962, as amended) could land people in jail. The JCT letter makes clear that Americans who do not maintain “acceptable health insurance coverage” and who choose not to pay the bill’s new individual mandate tax (generally 2.5% of income), are subject to numerous civil and criminal penalties, including criminal fines of up to $250,000 and imprisonment of up to five years.

    In response to the JCT letter, Camp said: “This is the ultimate example of the Democrats’ command-and-control style of governing – buy what we tell you or go to jail. It is outrageous and it should be stopped immediately.”

    Key excerpts from the JCT letter appear below:

    “H.R. 3962 provides that an individual (or a husband and wife in the case of a joint return) who does not, at any time during the taxable year, maintain acceptable health insurance coverage for himself or herself and each of his or her qualifying children is subject to an additional tax.” [page 1]

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    “If the government determines that the taxpayer’s unpaid tax liability results from willful behavior, the following penalties could apply…” [page 2]

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    “Criminal penalties

    Prosecution is authorized under the Code for a variety of offenses. Depending on the level of the noncompliance, the following penalties could apply to an individual:

    • Section 7203 – misdemeanor willful failure to pay is punishable by a fine of up to $25,000 and/or imprisonment of up to one year.

    • Section 7201 – felony willful evasion is punishable by a fine of up to $250,000 and/or imprisonment of up to five years.” [page 3]

    When confronted with this same issue during its consideration of a similar individual mandate tax, the Senate Finance Committee worked on a bipartisan basis to include language in its bill that shielded Americans from civil and criminal penalties. The Pelosi bill, however, contains no similar language protecting American citizens from civil and criminal tax penalties that could include a $250,000 fine and five years in jail.

    “The Senate Finance Committee had the good sense to eliminate the extreme penalty of incarceration. Speaker Pelosi’s decision to leave in the jail time provision is a threat to every family who cannot afford the $15,000 premium her plan creates. Fortunately, Republicans have an alternative that will lower health insurance costs without raising taxes or cutting Medicare,” said Camp.

    According to the Congressional Budget Office the lowest cost family non-group plan under the Speaker’s bill would cost $15,000 in 2016.


  • Nickdfresh
    SUPER MODERATOR

    • Oct 2004
    • 49205

    #2
    LOL Elvis is now been reduced to posting GOP congressman fuckwit press releases as "information."

    Gee, but, what about the "Public Option?" You can actually have health insurance for little or no money. So why the fuck would one go to jail for not buying an artificially inflated policy from one of the insurance companies donating big money to 'Member who is Rank, Dave Camp' charge $15K when you can get it for almost nothing?

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    • ELVIS
      Banned
      • Dec 2003
      • 44120

      #3
      What are you rambling about ??

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      • FORD
        ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

        • Jan 2004
        • 58789

        #4
        I do NOT endorse any bill with mandatory corporate insurance in it.

        That said, it apparently just passed the house.
        Eat Us And Smile

        Cenk For America 2024!!

        Justice Democrats


        "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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        • kwame k
          TOASTMASTER GENERAL
          • Feb 2008
          • 11302

          #5
          Looks like it did, FORD.....not a big fan of any type of mandatory but will what and see what really becomes of this.
          Originally posted by vandeleur
          E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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          • Nitro Express
            DIAMOND STATUS
            • Aug 2004
            • 32798

            #6
            Let's hope the senate votes it down.
            No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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            • FORD
              ROTH ARMY MODERATOR

              • Jan 2004
              • 58789

              #7
              I was gonna vote on a bill, but then I got high.....

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              Eat Us And Smile

              Cenk For America 2024!!

              Justice Democrats


              "If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992

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              • Big Train
                Full Member Status

                • Apr 2004
                • 4013

                #8
                Stuff like that is just bad PR , especially in a recession. Someone will be threatened with jail time, or be sentenced and someone like Hannity will be there to run with it for weeks. She keeps this shit up, goodbye majority.

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                • Nickdfresh
                  SUPER MODERATOR

                  • Oct 2004
                  • 49205

                  #9
                  Except this is yet another example of Elvis posting official site suck dick data of a politician...

                  When you're done blowing bribe taking politicians by posting their propaganda, let us know...
                  Last edited by Nickdfresh; 11-08-2009, 09:22 PM.

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                  • Big Train
                    Full Member Status

                    • Apr 2004
                    • 4013

                    #10
                    Not really, it is in the bill no?

                    There are significant grounds there for a legal challenge, as never before has anyone been required to buy something as a condition of being a citizen. That's a fundamental operating change in our society.

                    The counter argument of "well you have to buy car ins." doesn't really hold, since that is not a fundamental right to drive. To be required to buy something to be a citizen in good standing is entirely new.

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                    • Nitro Express
                      DIAMOND STATUS
                      • Aug 2004
                      • 32798

                      #11
                      Originally posted by Big Train
                      Not really, it is in the bill no?

                      There are significant grounds there for a legal challenge, as never before has anyone been required to buy something as a condition of being a citizen. That's a fundamental operating change in our society.

                      The counter argument of "well you have to buy car ins." doesn't really hold, since that is not a fundamental right to drive. To be required to buy something to be a citizen in good standing is entirely new.
                      Basically the gun to our heads is the government and what we are forced to buy is the corporation. This should raise a red flag as you said.

                      What we really need is price caps of catastrophic care. Simplify medical billing (Medicare is a major culpret in these costs). Have a loser pays policy regarding law suits. This needs to be done intelligently and systematically. We don't need to turn the whole system over to the government and special corporate interests.
                      No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                      • hideyoursheep
                        ROTH ARMY ELITE
                        • Jan 2007
                        • 6351

                        #12
                        No, you don't have to drive, but try getting around without it.

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                        • Nitro Express
                          DIAMOND STATUS
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 32798

                          #13
                          Originally posted by hideyoursheep
                          No, you don't have to drive, but try getting around without it.
                          I didn't have a car when I lived in New York City or Hong Kong. I got around fine. Hell, I could get around Hong Kong faster than I can in Seattle stuck in a traffic jam.
                          No! You can't have the keys to the wine cellar!

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                          • Seshmeister
                            ROTH ARMY WEBMASTER

                            • Oct 2003
                            • 35197

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Nickdfresh
                            Except this is yet another example of Elvis posting official site suck dick data of a politician...

                            When you're done blowing bribe taking politicians by posting their propaganda, let us know...
                            The guy has been bought by the health insurance industry.

                            Dave Camp - Metavid

                            Who matters most him, the guys that give him hundreds of thousands every year or the person who can't get medical insurance?

                            His top 3 donators


                            Health Professionals $371,791
                            Insurance $313,279
                            Pharmaceuticals/Health Products $235,295

                            And that was before the recent 100s of millions in bribes that have been offered.
                            Last edited by Seshmeister; 11-09-2009, 08:16 AM.

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                            • ELVIS
                              Banned
                              • Dec 2003
                              • 44120

                              #15
                              Yeah!

                              The system is screwed before it can begin...

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