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    Wink Guitar EDjumacation Thread

    So a while back I got a program called MusEdit for checking transcriptions on the instructional videos of a company I used to work for. Pretty cool, plug in the notes, it transcribes it in tabulature and standard notation for you, and fairly easy to use...ended up transcribing the notes of pretty much every guitar lesson I've ever taken (and later given) over so many years. Never went back and made it "pretty" but got the idea down quick...not bad.

    But since 'tis the season for giving and all, and some (cough, Ace) would like to see it here's the first few pages of the scales & modes chapter. Basic for some, but it works up to some kooky ones, don't worry...



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    Ii.

    Read in Paul Harvey voice "Page...two.."


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    OK, more later...maybe modes even...


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    Where's the "oblivion" scale?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GO-SPURS-GO View Post
    Where's the "oblivion" scale?
    As soon as Thrills gets it to me, I'll put it on page 37. :tongue0011:


    Thrills, is that the one with the lowered 7th and the raised 69th? (Ta-bump-crash!)

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    Here we have the infamous Satriani "Enigmatic" scale...

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    hey hale, i thank you very much.
    keep 'em coming.
    this is very useful stuff.
    it will keep me bust for a while.
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    3-octave version...and who else gives you Bop scales, I ask you?


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    Last one, then later it's on to modes generated by the major scale.





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    i think my fingers may get all twisted up

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    i just ran through it all.
    quite a workout.

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    i just ran through it all.
    quite a workout.
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    Cool! I need this stuff...


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    I prefer the vodka pentatonic.
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    OK, since it seems you guys like it, I'll post the modes section tonight, and then there's a chapter on arpeggio forms and sequences...could post that too.

    I've also dumped the entire Ted Greene "Chord Chemistry" book into this program (with his blessing); I hated the chord-diagrams in the edition of the book I'd learned from (way tiny), and was talking to him about it one day when I was lucky enough to meet him, told him I'd re-done them, he was like "The diagrams were my least favorite part of that printing...good job!" I originally transcribed all of this by hand, but got tired of having to re-copy it every time the papers started to disintegrate. My original lesson-book looks like the fucking dead sea scrolls now...had it since I was 14...

    But anyway, all together, printed out it's close to 100 pages...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    As soon as Thrills gets it to me, I'll put it on page 37. :tongue0011:


    Thrills, is that the one with the lowered 7th and the raised 69th? (Ta-bump-crash!)

    Yeah, yeah, I'm here all week, try the veal...


    It's about abandoning form, sound, and the needs of the audience.
    Many got indigestion after Ace pioneered the oblivion scale Wednesday night between the salad and the manicotti. The audience/investors ponied up the funds to send the adventurous Diamond to France for a "gig" but were shocked, alarmed and pissed off when he came back.

    Seeing a bloated sweaty guy bleeding and playing sour notes is good for the restaurant business. Keeps people from lingering in their seats after meals.
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    1 3 5 7 8 on the A string.
    Yes, it's quite an ascention.


    I'm going back to the tonette.
    this guy's ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills View Post
    It's about abandoning form, sound, and the needs of the audience.
    Many got indigestion after Ace pioneered the oblivion scale Wednesday night between the salad and the manicotti. The audience/investors ponied up the funds to send the adventurous Diamond to France for a "gig" but were shocked, alarmed and pissed off when he came back.

    Seeing a bloated sweaty guy bleeding and playing sour notes is good for the restaurant business. Keeps people from lingering in their seats after meals.

    the french didn't kick me out, i just couln't fucking stand them.
    it was germany that threw me out and told me to go home.

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    Home where ??

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    Allan Holdsworth phoned in and tried to give J the finger
    but he broke it trying to play F melodic minor Ascending.

    you might as well put the whole scale on 1 string if a seven fret reach at the bottom of the neck is required.

    Maybe this is for Stanley Jordan students.



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Home where ??
    they could not have cared less, as long as i got the fuck out of their country.
    home is southern california.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ThrillsNSpills View Post
    Allan Holdsworth phoned in and tried to give J the finger
    but he broke it trying to play F melodic minor Ascending.

    you might as well put the whole scale on 1 string if a seven fret reach at the bottom of the neck is required.

    Maybe this is for Stanley Jordan students.



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    Quote Originally Posted by jackassrock View Post
    I prefer the vodka pentatonic.
    I like Tanqueray in my pentatonic.
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    I learned how to play guitar from a black man missing half his teeth. He never taught me any of this shit. I learned seven bars and this box thingy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jackassrock View Post
    I prefer the vodka pentatonic.
    nothing like a pentatonic ice beer

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    I taught myself by listening to records and playing for hours a day and jamming with friends...

    Now i'm trying to catch up by learning stuff like jhale has posted...



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    Cool stuff! Thanks for sharing this... it's been 20 years and I never got around to learning any scales either..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    I taught myself by listening to records and playing for hours a day and jamming with friends...

    Now i'm trying to catch up by learning stuff like jhale has posted...


    Glad you like. I was fortunate enough to get to study for two years (15-17) with a guy named Chuck Biel, one of the best teachers in my home state...he's actually Dean of Guitar Studies at the State University now. Monster player, you couldn't help but learn when around the guy. Great on guitar, but truly frightening on bass.

    And he was pals with some heavy-duty jazz players, even managed to bring Frank Gambale of Chick Corea's band in our po-dunk town for a clinic and private lesson deal a few years after and invited me and some of his other cool former students to, in '89 I think. That was pretty intense, as that dude is like the Yngwie of Jazz as far as sweep-picking goes.

    Anyway, his (Chuck's) method was you showed up with one of those Ernie Ball neck chart books (think they're still only like $2.99 today) with the blank 1-octave fretboards, and your own copy of Ted Greene's Chord Chemistry. he taught you chords and scales concurrently (had it figured out how many pages to skip to start each chapter in the blank books - WAY impressive to a pre-internet 14 yr old...lol), and if you did your homework, he'd teach you "Eruption" or "Battleaxe" or "The End of the World"...stuff like that. So you basically filled up a couple of those neck chart books if you stayed with it for a year or two. Took theory courses with him on top of that, cool shit.

    We've kept in touch over the years, great guy... and I credit him for my total dedication level to the instrument and music in general as much as I credit EVH with my insane dedication to tinkering with them...

    He hugely pushes ear training, and I completely agree. When I was a kid taking lessons from him, I didn't learn a song...I learned the entire album (or tried to) if I liked it!!

    Fortunately, I've always been an information packrat, and I held on to my materials...had to re-copy them by hand once (aforementioned dead-sea scroll action) and that sucked. But now that it's digitized, and I can break it down into 3-scale jpgs even Ace can read why not share with the group?

    MusEdit makes it easy to check for mistakes too, will play the scale you've entered back to you as a MIDI-file (stock piano tone, but still)...pretty sure you can import completed compositions into sequencers too, but never tried it...


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    Wink MODES (And I don't mean of the "Depeche" variety.)

    OK, moving right along, the for the uninitiated, starting a scale on any degree other than the first (while maintaining the specific scale's note formula) is to play a mode generated by that scale.

    For this example, we'll use the C major scale...try to spot the relative minor scale for bonus points...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    OK, moving right along, the for the uninitiated, starting a scale on any degree other than the first (while maintaining the specific scale's note formula) is to play a mode generated by that scale.

    For this example, we'll use the C major scale...try to spot the relative minor scale for bonus points...

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    Here's where it gets interesting: Modes generated by an ascending Melodic Minor...


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    I couldn't afford lessons. I used to walk to school with the guitar case for 2 miles most of it along the train tracks because it was the straightest walk to school. But not the safest trip for a $5 Harmony classical strung with Ernie Ball 9's in a chipboard case.

    My guitar teacher taught beginning classical, I had that for a year.

    Then I had 3 friends who took lessons from Tommy Girven from Smile, one of those also took lessons later from Wolf Marshall who drove a Rolls Royce off his Starlicks royalties.. he taught at Waltrips' Music in Arcadia, it's still around but he's long gone.

    After that, I took some lessons from Chet Thompson at Dr. Music, and Joey Taffola who took lessons from Vinnie Moore and the Kurt James.

    All that being said, I am sure I know 5 chords and 2 scales in two octaves!
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    oh boy.......hey hale, do you have the 100 pages as a .pdf file?
    that way i could download the whole thing and work my way through it
    rather slowly so as to make sure i am catching on and learning this stuff right,
    and so i can put it on a flash drive so i can take it to kinko's and print it out.
    so i can really study it closely.
    and then of course study by application with my guitar in my hands.

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    Haven't converted it to pdf, no. Hadn't really thought about it, to be honest. That page count is if I print it directly out of MusEdit, I had to break it down to 3 (.med) files in that...
    And chord chemistry is something that should be everyone's go-to reference manual. There's an entire section on chord-substitution that's brilliant...the musical equivalent of "Don't wanna use the standard Cmin7 form? Use this weirdo inversion!" Would've thought it would have been made it downloadable by now, but a quick Google search only finds Amazon.com book listings and whatnot...

    And a Wikipedia bio that says he passed away in 2005. Did not know that. R.I.P., Ted!

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    damn. that sucks,man.

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