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    Collateral Murder

    Video Shows 2007 Air Attack in Baghdad That Killed Photographer - NYTimes.com


    WASHINGTON — The Web site WikiLeaks.org released a graphic video on Monday showing an American helicopter shooting and killing a Reuters photographer and driver in a July 2007 attack in Baghdad.
    A senior American military official confirmed that the video was authentic.

    Reuters had long pressed for the release of the video, which consists of 38 minutes of black-and-white aerial video and conversations between pilots in two Apache helicopters as they open fire on people on a street in Baghdad. The attack killed 12, among them the Reuters photographer, Namir Noor-Eldeen, 22, and the driver, Saeed Chmagh, 40.

    At a news conference at the National Press Club, WikiLeaks said it had acquired the video from whistle-blowers in the military and viewed it after breaking the encryption code. WikiLeaks edited the video to 17 minutes.

    David Schlesinger, the editor in chief of Reuters news, said in a statement that the video was “graphic evidence of the dangers involved in war journalism and the tragedies that can result.”

    On the day of the attack, United States military officials said that the helicopters had been called in to help American troops who had been exposed to small-arms fire and rocket-propelled grenades in a raid. “There is no question that coalition forces were clearly engaged in combat operations against a hostile force,” Lt. Col. Scott Bleichwehl, a spokesman for the multinational forces in Baghdad, said then.

    But the video does not show hostile action. Instead, it begins with a group of people milling around on a street, among them, according to WikiLeaks, Mr. Noor-Eldeen and Mr. Chmagh. The pilots believe them to be insurgents, and mistake Mr. Noor-Eldeen’s camera for a weapon. They aim and fire at the group, then revel in their kills.

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    “Look at those dead bastards,” one pilot says. “Nice,” the other responds.

    A wounded man can be seen crawling and the pilots impatiently hope that he will try to fire at them so that under the rules of engagement they can shoot him again. “All you gotta do is pick up a weapon,” one pilot says.

    A short time later a van arrives to pick up the wounded and the pilots open fire on it, wounding two children inside. “Well, it’s their fault for bringing their kids into a battle,” one pilot says.

    At another point, an American armored vehicle arrives and appears to roll over one of the dead. “I think they just drove over a body,” one of the pilots says, chuckling a little.

    Reuters said at the time that the two men had been working on a report about weightlifting when they heard about a military raid in the neighborhood, and decided to drive there to check it out.

    “There had been reports of clashes between U.S. forces and insurgents in the area but there was no fighting on the streets in which Namir was moving about with a group of men,” Reuters wrote in 2008. “It is believed two or three of these men may have been carrying weapons, although witnesses said none were assuming a hostile posture at the time.”

    The American military in Baghdad investigated the episode and concluded that the forces involved had no reason to know that there were Reuters employees in the group. No disciplinary action was taken.

    Late Monday, the United States Central Command, which oversees the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, released the redacted report on the case, which provided some more detail.

    The report showed pictures of what it said were machine guns and grenades found near the bodies of those killed. It also stated that the Reuters employees “made no effort to visibly display their status as press or media representatives and their familiar behavior with, and close proximity to, the armed insurgents and their furtive attempts to photograph the coalition ground forces made them appear as hostile combatants to the Apaches that engaged them.”

    Brian Stelter contributed reporting from New York.

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    This was pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.

    Even the TV viewer can see these people weren't carrying AK-47s.....and the special forces hovering overhead can't see even better than the TV viewer?

    And I suppose the children were just really short insurgents?

    These killers should be put against a wall and executed.

    And don't tell me the "fog of war" bullshit......

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    This was pre-meditated murder, plain and simple.
    ......
    Not premeditated, more like a crime of passion. But pretty fucking nauseating nonetheless...

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    The killers were calmly observing, and waiting for the victims to provoke them...such as pick up a weapon.

    This wasn't a crime of passion...it was calmly premeditated murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby's On Fire View Post
    The killers were calmly observing, and waiting for the victims to provoke them...such as pick up a weapon.

    This wasn't a crime of passion...it was calmly premeditated murder.
    Oh please, tell me the difference between a camera and a Milan anti-tank missile at several hundred meters visual range.

    But I'm not apologizing, I agree that U.S. forces here lacked professionalism and a military bearing (restraint)...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    a crime of passion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag View Post
    Nice editting out of context, you fucking cunt.

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    Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
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    I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag View Post
    That's how your mother looks at my penis...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Not premeditated, more like a crime of passion.

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    Gee, guess who is drunk and posting again.......




    Pass the OJ!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by LoungeMachine View Post
    Gee, guess who is drunk and posting again.......




    Pass the OJ!!!!
    anyone got their flux capacitor ready?
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    Quote Originally Posted by LoungeMachine View Post
    Gee, guess who is drunk and posting again.......




    Pass the OJ!!!!

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    Easy there, Lounge.

    Let him post something stupid first. It won't take long.

    Hey Tard on Fire. How's tricks?

    Cheers! :bottle:

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    Yep, a mom joke is always simpler than defending your ignorant statements. Smart.

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    This is something that has pondered me while writing this script....

    Can any active war not have war criminals?

    It appears to me by the shear nature of war there should be war criminals.
    To not have war criminal accounted for, there would need to be a fudge of the records.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WACF View Post
    Haven't had a chance to watch this yet but to be fair to WikiLeaks from the very start they did make the unedited video available as well as the edited one.

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    Exactly what I was getting at, thank you. You can pretty much slant any video to match the "evil U.S. babykillers" stereotype, but that's just as bullshit as Bush and his Neocon'ts lying us into Iraq... IMHO

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Exactly what I was getting at, thank you. You can pretty much slant any video to match the "evil U.S. babykillers" stereotype, but that's just as bullshit as Bush and his Neocon'ts lying us into Iraq... IMHO


    Well...that edited version was put out for only one reason...and you pretty much nailed it.

    That edit was not just an oops...

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