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    Fallen Marine's Dad Suing "God Hates Fags" Retards

    Dad sues ‘Thank God for Dead Soldiers’ church
    Group targeted son’s funeral, saying God punishes U.S. for tolerating gays

    By BEN NUCKOLS
    The Associated Press
    updated 2:14 a.m. ET, Tues., April 13, 2010

    YORK, Pa. - Some nights Albert Snyder wakes up at 3 a.m. Other nights he doesn't sleep at all, tormented by thoughts of the hateful signs carried by a fundamentalist church outside his Marine son's funeral.

    "Thank God for Dead Soldiers."

    "You're Going to Hell."

    "Semper Fi Fags."

    Hundreds of grieving families have been targeted by the Westboro Baptist Church, which believes military deaths are the work of a wrathful God who punishes the United States for tolerating homosexuality.

    Most mourners try to ignore the taunts. But Snyder couldn't let it go. He became the first to sue the church to halt the demonstrations, and he's pursued the group farther than anyone else.

    Wave of support
    Now, more than four years after his son died in a Humvee accident in Iraq, Snyder's legal battle is headed to the Supreme Court. And his tireless efforts have drawn support from across the country, including a wave of donations after he was ordered to pay the church's court costs — a $16,500 judgment that the congregation plans to use for more protests.

    Lance Cpl. Matthew A. Snyder, 20, was not gay. But for the Westboro church, any dead soldier is fair game. Pastor Fred Phelps oversees a congregation of 70 to 80 members — mostly his children and grandchildren. They consider themselves prophets, and they insist the nation is doomed.

    As Snyder sees it, Westboro isn't engaging in constitutionally protected speech when it pickets funerals. He argues that Phelps and his followers are disrupting private assemblies and harassing people at their most vulnerable — behavior that's an incitement to violence.

    "This is more than free speech. This is like yelling, 'Fire!' in a crowded theater. Somebody's going to get hurt," Snyder said, his voice rising and eyes welling with tears.

    Snyder's lawsuit accuses the Topeka, Kan., church of invading his privacy and intentionally inflicting emotional distress. He has the backing of his ex-wife and his two daughters, but Snyder insisted on being the only plaintiff.

    Except for the 40 hours per week he works selling industrial equipment, the case takes up nearly all his time. He says it's more stressful than a second full-time job.

    Snyder, who lives in York, about 85 miles west of Philadelphia, is soft-spoken and polite. But anger and sadness flare up quickly, with little warning. The litigation has forced him to relive the anguish of his son's death, and his grief is still raw.

    "It's still very emotional," Snyder said in an interview at his attorney's office. "It's like I constantly relive this every day, and I just wonder sometimes, when this is all over, what I'm going to do with that void. Will the grieving process begin?"

    The fight has taken its toll on Snyder's health. The broad-chested 54-year-old has struggled with clinical depression and diabetes.

    Snyder fought back against the church in part because he felt Westboro paid special attention to his son. Several weeks after the funeral, the pastor's daughter, Shirley Phelps-Roper, wrote in an online diatribe that Snyder and his ex-wife taught their son "to defy his creator."

    Westboro also protests nonmilitary events, such as the 2007 funeral of the Rev. Jerry Falwell, and the deaths of 29 miners last week in West Virginia. The group first grabbed widespread notice in 1998, when members appeared outside the funeral of Matthew Shepard, the gay University of Wyoming student whose murder drew national attention.

    Lawyers Sean E. Summers and Craig T. Trebilcock, both military veterans, agreed to take Snyder's case pro bono. They warned him about the emotional toll of a long legal dispute.

    Snyder won the first round decisively, when a jury in federal court in Baltimore awarded him $10.9 million in damages in October 2007. A judge later reduced the award to $5 million.

    Last September, the 4th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals reversed the verdict, ruling Westboro's protest was constitutionally protected speech.

    Appeals court ruling
    The Supreme Court agreed last month to consider whether the protesters' actions, no matter how provocative and upsetting, are protected by the First Amendment. The case will be argued in the fall.

    Then something unexpected happened: The appeals court ordered Snyder to pay Westboro $16,510 in court costs. While it's not unusual for the losing party in a civil case to be required to pay some costs, it rarely happens when an individual sues a private entity, especially when the case is still active, experts say.

    Margie Jean Phelps, one of Fred Phelps' daughters and an attorney, will argue the case before the Supreme Court. She has said the church plans to use the money from Snyder to stage more protests. That's what's so upsetting to Snyder, who says he would drop the matter if the church stopped picketing funerals.

    Snyder has received plenty of publicity since filing the lawsuit, but interest intensified after the court-ordered payment.

    Fox News commentator Bill O'Reilly pledged to pay the entire $16,510, and the American Legion has raised more than $20,000. Every day, hundreds of envelopes arrive at Summers' office. Snyder plans to use the money for other court fees and to donate what's left over to veterans.

    Free speech issue
    Not everyone is on Snyder's side, even if they find Westboro's protests loathsome.

    They point to the undisputed facts of the case. Westboro contacted police before its protest, which was conducted in a designated area on public land — 1,000 feet from the church where the Mass was held in Westminster, Md.

    The protesters — Phelps and six family members — broke no laws. Snyder knew they were present, but he did not see their signs or hear their statements until he turned on the news at his son's wake.

    Jonathan M. Turley, a George Washington University law professor, asked his constitutional law class to grapple with the case. At first, the entire class was sympathetic to Snyder. But after they dug deeper, they concluded that Westboro's speech was protected by the First Amendment.

    "Once you get down to trying to draw the line between privacy and free speech, it becomes clear that a ruling against Westboro could create the danger of a slippery slope for future courts," Turley said.

    Turley, who studies the Supreme Court closely, said it's difficult to predict how the justices will rule.

    Phelps-Roper has no doubt the court will favor Westboro. "If that case can prevail, there is no First Amendment left," she said.

    Some military families see no reason why such protests cannot be restricted.

    "I don't think these people should be allowed to come in and disrupt a family's grief," said Diane Salyers of Sims, Ark., whose son's funeral was picketed by Westboro in 2007. Snyder "speaks for all of us who've been affected by these people."

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    Is there anything more despicable than what these sick bastards do? I hope every one of those Westboro assholes dies the slowest, most excruciating death possible, and then someone pickets THEIR funerals. Paybacks are a bitch!

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    These wackos protested in front of my son's high school in February.....

    More insanity in the name of religion....
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    Dad and I have started to turn off our Prayer Messaging system when anybody calls from Westboro Baptist Church.

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    Yeah, just tell yer dad to either get his head out of his arse or step aside & let someone who isn't so petty & vile take his place.

    I'm up to the top of me head with yer old man. Fuckin' berk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    These wackos protested in front of my son's high school in February.....

    More insanity in the name of religion....
    These dickweeds aren't religious and certainly not Christians. These assholes are using religion to promote their own twisted hatre-filled agenda, much like some might use progressivism to promote theirs.

    A certain infotainment figure has offered to pay all the Snyder family's legal bills to sue these fuckers, BTW.

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    I've seen one of these wackos protests a few years back. They were all standing in the poring rain with all these signs about anal sex (and nobody there to protest to). well, if you travel all the way from Kansas to MA to stand in the poring rain protesting anal sex Me doth think you protest too much...

    That said, there are bike clubs that form human walls in front of the soldiers funerals (we talked about it in another thread) but I'm really surprised these people haven't met with more folly givin the hate and discontent they create. it's just a matter of time before they push all the right buttons with the wrong person/s.....Karma's a bitch....

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    Ever wanted to make your own Phelps sign?
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    These guys rule: Patriot Guard Riders.










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    Quote Originally Posted by chefcraig View Post

    People should read the letters of appreciation (34 pages) if you want it to hit home what these riders actions mean to the familys...

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    God Hates Fags is hardly Christianity...



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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    God Hates Fags is hardly Christianity...


    They sure seem to think it is...

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    All 80 members ??

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    Oh look, as if they can't produce any more hate

    http://www.jewskilledjesus.com/jewsnews/index.html

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    "they" ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Oh look, as if they can't produce any more hate

    http://www.jewskilledjesus.com/jewsnews/index.html
    I'm trying like hell to find out who created that site...this is definitely someone I have to meet face-to-face.

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    There was a documentary about these guys on UK TV about 2 years ago - the presenter kept asking for time to debate theology with Phelps, but was essentially told that 'the Prophet' is infallible....
    The Power Of The Riff Compels Me

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    I'm with ya Ham

    Go here if you want to see who registered it http://domains.whois.com/domain.php?action=whois

    I hope no one tells these poor bastards that Jesus was an observant Jew and that the Jews were God's chosen people.
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    E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post

    I hope no one tells these poor bastards that Jesus was an observant Jew and that the Jews were God's chosen people.
    I've been trying to tell them that for years. But (as anyone should be able to tell from their rhetoric) they don't listen to Me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    God Hates Fags is hardly Christianity...


    Verily, Gregory. That is the understatement of the century.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    I'm with ya Ham

    Go here if you want to see who registered it http://domains.whois.com/domain.php?action=whois
    Thanks bro!

    That didn't take long, and I can't say I'm surprised with the result. This dumpster-scraping of a human being has been spreading his hate message for years....

    http://www.twitvid.com/Y1UDL

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    So, you think he rapes little boys or girls?

    I got $20 on him raping little boys

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    Quote Originally Posted by hambon4lif View Post
    I'm trying like hell to find out who created that site...this is definitely someone I have to meet face-to-face.
    That one and the rest are all from the WBC . Check out the comments of their upcoming protests.... Mostly high schools..

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html

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    HA! the fucking wackosare gonna protest a Bon Jovi Concert in two days!! Let's turn "em on to Hagar!!!

    t. Pete Times Forum 401 Channelside Dr WBC to picket Bon Jovi in Concert. These old fools have had access to millions all over the world for nearly 3 decades, but they have not one time told any of them what God requires of them. Why is that? WBC has been telling you all for almost 20 years what the standard is and that obedience to that standard is not negotiable. We will bring the words to the audience to remind them that the time is short. Put away the idolatry and filthy manner of life and prepare for Obama to bring all of your work to nothing. Ezekiel 7:6 An end is come, the end is come: it watcheth for thee; behold, it is come. Praise God! AMEN!
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    I'm thinking of starting my own church called Jesus Loves Lesbian Strippers™®...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I'm thinking of starting my own church called Jesus Loves Lesbian Strippers™®...
    i would tithe to be a member of that organization, shit, i wonder if sarge will gimme a couple of bucks back. nevermind, i just found $50.
    Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I'm thinking of starting my own church called Jesus Loves Lesbian Strippers™®...
    Well of course I do, Nicodemus. I love everybody

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    Quote Originally Posted by kwame k View Post
    So, you think he rapes little boys or girls?

    I got $20 on him raping little boys
    I get it, disgrACE is participating in the protest? Where'd he get the bus fare? :confused:
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    ....isn't there a weight restriction on buses

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    Quote Originally Posted by Igosplut View Post
    That one and the rest are all from the WBC . Check out the comments of their upcoming protests.... Mostly high schools..

    http://www.godhatesfags.com/schedule.html
    All these dates and locations create the illusion that there's an entire legion of these fuckholes out there.
    The reality is, every single one of these places you will see only two, maybe three, of these gutless maggots, and all of them would flinch if you acted like you were going lunge at them.
    I can't believe I was actually scared of these motherfuckers when I was a kid.....
    They're all just a bunch of pussies who know their belief is weak, and the only thing they really hate are themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MAX View Post
    I get it, disgrACE is participating in the protest? Where'd he get the bus fare? :confused:
    under one of the many folds where lefty's "tit" would be.

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    auctually found a great piece mocking phelps facts using things straight from the bible.

    Phelps uses whole tracts of the Old Testament to qualify his arguments, mostly from the book of Leviticus. The problem is that when Jesus came around he formed something called the "New Covenant," which means that all that stuff about sacrificing goats and shit no longer apply. So, when you follow Old Testament laws, you're not being a good Christian, you're being a dirty, ultra-orthodox Jew.
    If you followed Leviticus to a T, you're also expected to:
    Not wear fabrics made with blended fibers (so no underwear with elastic waists).
    Not shave your beard
    Two types of seed may not be planted in the same field. Too bad crop rotation is an essential part of modern farming.
    Shellfish are right out too. Goodbye, lobster dinner.
    No crossbreeding anything. Goodbye mules, as well as practically any seedless fruit.
    Tattoos are also b&.
    So is eating blood and fat. Goodbye rare steaks.
    You can't has cheeseburger, either, because Leviticus also forbids mixing meat and dairy.
    The New Testament argument against homosexuality is gleaned mostly from Paul's letter to the Corinthians. Paul's disclaimer at the beginning of this letter is that as long as you are a good Christian, the liturgy of laws he states from the Torah do not apply to you.
    Jesus himself denied the ethical code laid down by Moses because they were written over 9000 years before Jesus started his ministry and were thus totally out of date almost FOUR THOUSAND FUCKING YEARS AGO!
    God might hate fags but Jesus doesn't mention homosexuality once in the Bible. If God was so pissed at the faggots then why the hell didn't he tell his son to tell his chosen people to keep their cocks away from each other's bungholes?
    People like Phelps combine the theory of open bible interpretation (which makes sense when you think that the bible has been translated over 9000 times since the original pressing) with the thought that the Bible is totally infallible. This presents a bit of a problem for people trying to make sense of Phelps's complete lunacy.
    When a Centurion asked Jesus to heal his gay lover, Jesus called him the most faithful man in Jerusalem...OK, well the term used for "gay lover" may be interpreted different ways, but-
    We could dive into the actual language of the bible to prove him wrong, but this shit is already way waaaaay too fucking boring.
    Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team

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    This is just a cover to distract from Rev. Fred Phelps noted cock-sucking ability...

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