Originally Posted by POJO_Risin
The latest I heard whick was on the radio this am was "Oklahoma will go where Texas goes." "Thus leaving all the cards in the hands of the Longhorns"
The latest I heard whick was on the radio this am was "Oklahoma will go where Texas goes." "Thus leaving all the cards in the hands of the Longhorns"
It's interesting that in all of this talk of super-conferences, no one has seemed to notice the elephant in the room, that being the idea that the muscle that these organizations will have with regard to bargaining power over earnings. In that scenario, wouldn't it make sense for them to break away completely from the NCAA? I mean why split the revenue with over 300 teams when it could be shared much more profitably amongst a group of...say 20-24, for argument's sake? This would also effectively put an end to the BCS (fingers crossed).
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Remember though...the Pac 10 and the Big 10 were the conferences that were essentially putting a stop to a tournament...
Now that they are both moving to a conference tourney...perhaps that will change...
You are also forgetting that these conferences aren't just football animals...although they are the drivers. I don't see the Big 10 superconference telling the NCAA to goto hell, without taking into consideration the other athletics...in particular...hoops...
although I'm not sure they are considering that at this point...
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The only issue I have with this...is the assumption that any conference would just take Okie. Now, I'm not saying they aren't deserving...they are...but if the Big 10 has a certain direction that doesn't include Okie...Okie isn't coming. I also don't see Texas saying, "you have to take Oklahoma," while disregarding their fellow Texas schools. That's not going to happen.
If Texas goes to the Big 10...Okie isn't a handcuff...
the pac 10 is another story, which is where I think they will go because they will then likely dictate the direction the conference takes...
Texas and Okie become the pre-eminent schools there because of USC and Pete Carroll turning into a lump of shit...
You are correct, I had not considered the basketball teams in all of this, yet that does broker another interesting question: How are these basketball teams going to manage to travel the great distances required by this expansion, given the already large amount of games being played? You have to wonder how the schedule would be set up, not to mention accommodated. And it sure as hell would play havoc with the "student-athletes" class attendance, not that graduating these kids has ever been seen as a priority before.
Texas/Texas Tech/Oklahoma/Oklahoma State are a packaged deal. Where one goes, they all go. Texas A&M may hook their cart to UT also. Tech & OSU need OU and UT for revenue and UT and OU need each other for not only revenue but for tradition in the rivalry. If Nebraska hadn't sucked for the last decade they would still be involved but that is the reason for their quick departure. Same for Colorado, they had to get out quick because they weren't going to be included and had to get while the gettin' was good.
Basketball will drive Kansas where goes. Kansas and K-State will also be a packaged deal where ever they go. Big East may get them both.
Texas turns down Pac-10. Something tells me things are about to get real interesting.
AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Pac-10 commissioner Larry Scott says Texas has turned down an invitation to leave the Big 12 and join his conference.
In an e-mail, Scott confirms that Texas has rejected the Pac-10's offer.
The news first was reported by The Dallas Morning news.
Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/201...#ixzz0qsEJt500
OK, let me get this straight: The Pac-10 is becoming the Pac-12, and the Pac-12 is becoming the Pac-10. Is that it, essentially? Man, this is confusing. It seems like things change every 12 minutes or so with these deals.
Texas has a press conference scheduled for tomorrow. Looks like the Big 12 will be the Big 10 or something to that effect. They should bring back the Southwest Conference moniker.
It will be interesting to see what the conferences do. I don't think the Big 10 will stop being the Big 10....and I don't think the Big 12 will stop being the Big 12....but we shall see. I do like the Southwest Conference idea.
I don't think that the Big 10 is done. I think they are going to lay their cards directly at the feet of Notre Dame at some point, followed by Rutgers and Maryland. I think the thought of opening the doors to the NYC and DC/Philly markets are the only way the Big 10 can increase their piece of the pie. Notre Dame...of course...is Notre Dame...
Fucking Texas though. They literally screw their conference though...take the loot, and tier the rest so they can have their own TV channel...when they could boost the entire conference with a Big 12 tv deal...that would allow them to do the same thing as the Big 10...
I am impressed with the Pac 10 going for the homerun though. Had that happened...wow...
The big 12 will remain the same except for Nebraska and someone else that doesn't matter. I can't remeber who they said. What a fucked up mess.
I'm ready for Notre Dame to finally quit being sissy independents and join a conference. Their program is so bad now, they don't care. They bled NBC dry with that TV deal. I guess their boosters have a shit load of money but still, I'm tired of watching them get beat every week when NBC could show a real game.
There is talk that Texas A&M is considering moving to the SEC. If they were to make the move, what would happen to the annual season ending rivalry game with Texas? Would the Big 12 still be called the Big 12 with 9 members? That would be pretty stupid. I think the B12 should try to get Houston, TCU, and SMU and rename the conference the new Southwest Conference.
Colorado.
Good thread, except the part where Pojo says "...fuck Notre Dame..." lol
I don't know why everyone throws a fit about ND being independent... it's still one of the few schools that can pull it off (Texas being another according to some folks) that have the ratings and cache to do it. And as long as there is an exception for them to get into the BCS that doesn't require conference affiliation, there's nothing to compel them. Of course, some folks argue that the marquee schools would just stop scheduling ND, but despite how atrocious the football team has been the past 20 years, perhaps IN SPITE of mediocre play, they still draw enough on television and they are a good enough non-conference game (hell, actually a win-win for UM, MSU, etc recently, as they get a name school for good ratings and at times a fairly easy win too). So hard to see schools stop scheduling ND just because they aren't in a conference.
And I don't think the school is completely driven by money. If they were, the Big 10, hell even the Big East has a pretty good television package due mainly to basketball, would be a no-brainer. Like Pojo and others have mentioned, ND brings in about $15M from NBC but would bring in substantially more with the Big 10, around the current $22M per team in the Big 10.
Sure, part of it is ancient rivalry games, the ability to schedule so-called "national" schedules playing from coast to coast, not dealing with conference ADs and random conference bullshit, and being independent is not only tradition (for whatever that's worth these days), but just because they can be independent and nothing so far has come along to make it compulsory to join a conference. I think the Big East is the stronger basketball conference, but the Big 10 is definitely the stronger football conference. And right now, ND gets the benefits of both really. And what are some of the Big 10's demands? Would it require all the ND programs currently competing and with Big East rivalries to move over to the Big 10? I can't see any conference letting ND split like that... I think somewhere in the fine print may also be a rider that says ND can make football the exception to Big East membership so long as it remains independent... who knows what's lock in the Golden Dome vaults.
With hopefully Kelly getting the program at least respectable and competitive, joining the Big East would shore up that conference, and perhaps look to lure in 1-3 teams to make it a 10-12 team league. That would align with Pojo's comments of ND joining and being the big man on campus football-wise. Shit, I think every team in the Big East now has finally beaten ND in football except South Florida. lol So they join with parity and it wouldn't take much to rule the roost. On the other hand, Big 10 just seems like a natural fit and I'll tell you, when I was at ND and would go to the games, it FELT like conference play when UM, MSU, Purdue come to town.
So I have no idea what will happen, but I do enjoy the intrigue and rumors and speculation. My vote would be for joining the Big 10 so long as they could schedule 4 non-conference games 2 home/2 away and rotate them each year... at minimum they could have USC and Navy as the usual suspects and then rotate out Stanford, Pitt, W Virginia, Rutgers, Syracuse, Miami, Oklahoma, etc... or something like that... scheduling gets difficult if the Big 10 went to 16 teams and you figure 8 games off the bat are divisional games, only way to ever compete against opposing division is to use up one or more of the 4 remaining slots or meet in a conference championship.
Ok, I'm done thinking about this shit for now... lol
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I can't stand Notre Dame. They wouldn't have the independent draw if they weren't the Catholic mecca of the U.S. Here is why so many hate them. It is simple, they get EVERYTHING without earning it. Automatic BCS birth if ranked in the top 9 (top 6 for everyone else), they have their own TV station with their own revenue, they get BCS money even when they do not go to the BCS (if you want that join a conference), and they are always overrated (until recent times now everyone knows they stink) they never beat anyone and would get smashed by USC and Michigan and still end up in the top 10. Other than that I don't know why people hate them. Three service academies, North Carolina, Stanford, wow, that is a crucial schedule. They inflated their wins by beating up on those teams, and get straight gobsmacked when they play a decent school (USC, Michigan). This was in the hayday of the '80s and 90s of course.
The thing is, ND has been living by reputation and so-called tradition for what, over 20 years now? The last championship they won was in the late eighties with Lou Holtz, for cryin' out loud. And you'd have to go back another 11 years before that to the Dan Devine era for another one. When you really look at things, the Irish built their "legend" in the 1940s, an era that was before television was even a factor. So the myth-building was by and large manufactured through an alleged independence, rather than any real conference affiliation. It's to the school's ultimate credit that they've managed to pull this off over the years, but the myth is just that: A reputation for winning that really isn't based on relevance to the contradicting truth of recent history.
fuck it, was bored, here's your post-apoclyptic dream college football conferences sponsored by Conelrad
ACC
North
Penn State
Pitt
West Virgina
Cincinnati
Rutgers
Syracuse
Boston College
UConn
South
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Maryland
UNC
Duke
NC State
Wake Forest
South Florida
Big 10
East
Ohio State
Michigan
Michigan St.
Notre Dame
Indiana
Purdue
Northwestern
Illinois
West
Wisconsin
Minnesota
Iowa
Iowa St.
Missouri
Nebraska
Kansas
Kansas St.
PAC 16
Pacific Division
UCLA
USC
Cal
Stanford
Oregon
Oregon St
Washington
Washington St.
Mountain Division
Arizona
Arizona St.
Colorado
Colorado St.
Utah
BYU
UNLV
Boise St.
SEC
East
Florida
Florida St.
Miami (Fl.)
Vanderbilt
Clemson
South Carolina
Georgia
Georgia Tech
West
Alabama
Auburn
Ole Miss
Miss. St.
Southern Miss
Tennessee
Kentucky
Louisville
SWC
Cotton
Texas
Texas A&M
Arkansas
LSU
Houston
Rice
Memphis
Tulane
Wagon
Oklahoma
Oklahoma St.
Texas Tech
Baylor
North Texas
SMU
TCU
Air Force
MAC
East
Ohio
Marshall
East Carolina
Central Florida
Kent St.
Akron
Buffalo
Temple
West
Bowling Green
Toledo
Ball St.
Northern Illinois
Western Michigan
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Miami (OH)
WAC
Mountain
UTEP
New Mexico
Louisana Tech
Wyoming
New Mexico St.
Tulsa
UAB
Ocean
San Jose St.
San Diego St.
Hawai'i
Idaho
Nevada
Fresno St.
Utah St.
Sun Belt
UL-Lafayette
UL-Monroe
Middle Tennessee St.
Arkansas St.
Troy
FAU
FIU
Western Kentucky
Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team
lol. I think you either have to put Texas in Wagon or Oklahoma in Cotton.
I even have a playoff system worked out for it
8 automatic bids via winning the Conference Championship
4 Wild Cards
-8 teams play in 4 games at the higher ranked teams home stadium
-4 teams get a bye from this and get to be chosen by 4 of the 5 BCS Bowls (Cotton gets added to this, along with the Rose, Orange, Fiesta, Sugar)
-After the 8 Wildcard round teams are reduced to 4, the Bowls get to chose which matchup is the best, and are played within the span of new years eve to the day after new years
-After the games are played, the 4 champions advance to the site of Football's "Final Four" (Again a rotating site, between the aforementioned 5), which takes place two weeks following the New Years Day Games
-The National Championship of College Football is played, and the mythical national championship delivered!
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