Has Ed been playing his "magic" Marshall?

[GAR]

Wow that is a great group of guitarists

I just wanted to show that EVH isn't really a "father" of any technical trend per se, as these three examples clearly show striking advancements in the technical playing styles - and that they are considered initiators of that style even if Malmsteen would be the final refinement of it.

Eddie Van Halen's style is more bues-based and jazz-riff oriented and not too technical considering DiMeola and Holdsworth's contributions.

[vanhalen1r2]

I just wanted to show that EVH isn't really a "father" of any technical trend per se, as these three examples clearly show striking advancements in the technical playing styles - and that they are considered initiators of that style even if Malmsteen would be the final refinement of it.

Eddie Van Halen's style is more bues-based and jazz-riff oriented and not too technical considering DiMeola and Holdsworth's contributions.

When you listen to Fair Warning you can clearly hear the Holdsworth influence on Ed's playing.

[jhale667]

When you listen to Fair Warning you can clearly hear the Holdsworth influence on Ed's playing.

He was hugely into Holdsworth back then...

[vanhalen1r2]

He was hugely into Holdsworth back then...

I know he was a big fan of his Jedi guitar Master, Allan is a great player. EVH was really pushing his playing to new heights around that time frame, too bad FW did by VH standards poorly in sales.

I love the boots of Jeff Berlin AH and EVH playing

[jhale667]

Agree, too bad FW is considered one of their "weaker" efforts (especially sales-wise at the time), it's one of my favorites of the 6-pack.

[jhale667]

Seems like the new EVH head is a little more metal than "brown"...

[Coyote]

Pretty much every EVH amp has been subjugated by metalheads...

[vanhalen1r2]

Agree, too bad FW is considered one of their "weaker" efforts (especially sales-wise at the time), it's one of my favorites of the 6-pack.

I agree, its a killer record.

I think it actually hurt Ed that it did poorly sales wise because he played his ass off and put his heart and soul on that record, it might be a big reason he seemed to stop growing as a player, just my two cents.

[jhale667]

He didn't make the "I'm tired of being a guitar-hero" statement until the Hagar-era.

If you can overlook the Ed hawking his new amp part of this piece, it's actually an interesting tonal discussion...

[vanhalen1r2]

He didn't make the "I'm tired of being a guitar-hero" statement until the Hagar-era.

If you can overlook the Ed hawking his new amp part of this piece, it's actually an interesting tonal discussion...

I get what you are saying about the Fagar time frame, what I meant was, EVH really was pushing his playing in the time frame of Fair Warning, the album Ed put his heart and soul then it is not very commercially successful, then a half-ass filler follow up album DD smokes it with commercial success, so it looks like EVH stayed or was trapped in the VH success formula box, I wish Ed would have done more stuff like Blues Breakers with Brian May and kept pushing his playing even if the masses didn't get it, the guy was a one in a million talent, damn shame that we did not get more of him at the height and peak of his ability.

[Diamondjimi]

damn shame that we did not get more of him at the height and peak of his ability.

True...

[GAR]

".. if you got no concept of tone, out comes 'bleahh.' "

That's about the only truth he's provided in that clip.

[GAR]

Who Knew?

.. that what, it sounds tinny and sucks ass unless you detune it like this dummy?

Sounds like a Fender because it's a fucking Fender.

[Nitro Express]

Right on. That is what I meant by him developing some nice power amp distortion and not this gainy tone from his current amp. He has become lazy and doesn't want to work an amp and guitar like he used to so he is relying on hi gain preamp distortion. He's never going to get that magic classic tone with 6L6s and preamp buzz. Good old fashioned EL34 crunch baby!

The EL-34 is a European tube developed by Phillips. I have an old brochure and it's funny because they are bragging that the new slimmer EL-34 tubes allow for smaller electronics. They were cheap, consumer grade tubes meant to go in a smaller space than a 6L6. When pushed these tubes got that warm, raunchy sound that the more heavy duty 6L6 couldn't.

[paulscape]

I love the way Zakk talks about his hero's 'The Grail', 'Father Edward', 'Father Jimi'. It would be very cool if Ed went one step further and just used Dave Friedmans Marsha amps instead of those gainy bussy 5153's.