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    Senator tells it how it is shock!

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    So, the game is rigged, I already knew that, and that's partly why I decided to go into business for myself...

    But, what can be done about it ??
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    Damn straight. The government isn't going to take care of you. It's corrupt. I just don't understand why people think by giving it more of their money will solve things. That's begging for slavery.
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    Yep...

    I'd rather end up under a bridge failing on my own than depend on the system...

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    Nobody see's the rig more than a small business owner. I've seen plenty of big retailers come in and get all sorts of tax breaks while the little guy has to pay all their taxes and fees. The small business owner always gets the shaft, from both parties.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yep...

    I'd rather end up under a bridge failing on my own than depend on the system...
    I would rather be living in a yurt in the snow than on government welfare. Lot's of game around here to eat. I don't think much of people who sell out their freedom for handouts. They got you by the balls if you give in and that's the politician's dream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Yep...

    I'd rather end up under a bridge failing on my own than depend on the system...
    You've set up in business as a troll?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You've set up in business as a troll?
    Under a bridge, no less?

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    God bless Bernie Sanders. He may not call himself a "Democrat" but he is far more worthy of the name than most allegedly "Democratic" senators are. If we had even a simple 51 seat majority in the Senate, and all 51 were like Bernie, there would be none of the sickening bullshit that has been allowed by the spineless pussies like Reid & Daschle over the last decade.
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    Bernie Sanders just became my favorite Senator! I agreed with everything he said, all of it 100% true. This country would be in a lot better shape if most of our congresspeople thought the way he does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Texan View Post
    Bernie Sanders just became my favorite Senator! I agreed with everything he said, all of it 100% true. This country would be in a lot better shape if most of our congresspeople thought the way he does.
    Agreed
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    BTW Senator Sanders can be heard every Friday morning on the first hour of the Thom Hartmann radio program. If you like what you heard here, might want to tune in....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Little Texan View Post
    Bernie Sanders just became my favorite Senator! I agreed with everything he said, all of it 100% true. This country would be in a lot better shape if most of our congresspeople thought the way he does.
    One reason it's hard for independents to win elections, they offer nothing to the special interests.

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    Once the Federal Reserve has hyperinflated the dollar to nothing, I will gladly pay an income tax of 100% in US Dollars.

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    Senator Sanders? Does he wear white and kill chickens?

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    The senate has gone to shit ever since they let Coons in.

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    I came up with my first racist joke this afternoon and didn't know what to do with it so I've just stuck it in here.

    Doesn't really work written down. Hmmm.

    We should watch and see if it gets picked up now by someone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The senate has gone to shit ever since they let coons in.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    The senate has gone to shit ever since they let Coons in.
    and women.

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    Canada kicks fucking ass.

    As fucked up as Canada is, it still kicks the shit out of the USA.

    Today, completely unexpectedly, I got a cheque to my business from the Provincial Government, enough to pay 2 week's salary. I still don't know why I got it. Something about a rebate to small businesses due to the recent HST tax.

    No fucking fanfare. No bullshit 10 motnhs of posturing by asshole politicians and corupt political parties...no fucking Tea Party. No fucking Sarah Palin. No fukcing anything at all. Just a fucking cheque. Out of nowhere.

    REAL democracy. Not the bullshit USA faux democracy.

    But the asshole right-wing jerk-offs would cry "socialism"....all the while CASHING their fucking government cheques.
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    I can't even do any business planning because I don't know what my taxes are going to be. The dumb ass US Congress had ten years to get the budget and taxes figured out and they did nothing. Now Jan 1st is approaching and we still don't know shit. This is getting to be a lousy country to run a business in and places like California are the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    You've set up in business as a troll?
    Would you like to purchase some fashionable Red Rocker buttons ??

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    Bernie Sanders 2012.

    Got my vote.
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    http://finance.yahoo.com/family-home...1549/were-no-2

    We're No. 2
    by Ronald Brownstein
    Thursday, December 9, 2010
    In the global race for jobs and economic prosperity, the United States is No. 2. And it is likely to remain there for some time. That's the glum conclusion of most Americans surveyed in the latest Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll. Henry Luce famously labeled the 20th century the "American Century." This survey suggests that most Americans now doubt that this new century will bear that name.


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    In the poll, only one in five Americans said that the U.S. economy is the world's strongest--nearly half picked China instead. Looking forward, Americans are somewhat more optimistic about regaining primacy, but still only about one in three expect the U.S. economy to be the world's strongest in 20 years. Nearly three-fifths of those surveyed said that increasing competition from lower-paid workers around the world will keep living standards for average Americans from growing as fast as they did in the past. Ruben Owen, a retired Boeing engineer in Seattle who responded to the survey, spoke for many when he said, "We're still in a reasonably good place … but it's going to get harder because other places are growing stronger."

    [See Where Americans Are Getting Richer]

    Across a wide range of issues, the poll found the traditional American instinct toward optimism straining against fears that the nation's economic struggles may extend far beyond the current slowdown. On many fronts, particularly the quality of higher education and scientific research, large majorities of Americans still believe that we lead the world. And most say that the U.S. can remain a manufacturing leader.





    But the survey reveals deep anxiety about the impact on the American economy of increased globalization; the decades-long shift in domestic employment from manufacturing toward services; the quality of decisions by government and business leaders; and the economic prospects for younger generations.

    In follow-up conversations, several of those polled struggled to maintain hope that their children will live better than they have, against growing unease that it won't turn out that way. "I would like to say yes," said Dana Rigby, a homemaker in Kirksville, Mo., when asked if she expected her children's living standards to exceed her own. "I'm trying to get my kids on the right path; who doesn't want that? But I don't know if there's going to be enough out there for all the young kids to have good jobs."

    Conducted after a tumultuous midterm election, the poll captured a populace that remains uneasy, ambivalent, and divided. The nation is split almost exactly in half over President Obama's job performance and over whether he or congressional Republicans should take the lead in confronting the country's problems. Just as tellingly, few of those polled expect their economic situation to improve much over the next year, and most say they are skeptical that either party's agenda can achieve the nation's major challenges. As America lurches into its third consecutive winter of discontent, confidence in the political system and optimism about the economy remain scarce.

    America's Standing in the World

    The latest Allstate/National Journal Heartland Monitor poll is the seventh in a series exploring the ways that Americans are navigating the changing economy. The poll, conducted by Ed Reilly and Brent McGoldrick of FD, a communications strategy consulting firm, surveyed 1,200 adults from November 29 through December 1. It has a margin of error of +/- 2.8 percentage points. This survey focused on Americans' view of the nation's standing in the global economic competition and on the role they see for manufacturing in the U.S. economy.

    On several fronts, those surveyed said that the United States still compares well with other nations. Nearly three-fourths said that the U.S. leads all or most of its major competitors in the quality of its colleges and universities, and about two-thirds offer the same verdict on American science and research. To Julie Gordon, a computer programmer in Yorktown, Va., those advantages are grounds for optimism about the nation's long-term prospects. "Definitely in areas of science and technology there is potential," she said. "If we do focus on educating our young people in the right fields, we do have the right [prospects]."





    Slightly smaller majorities give the nation high marks on two other key measures of competitiveness: 57 percent said that the U.S. outranks most competitors in the quality of corporate leaders, and 56 percent reached the same judgment on the quality of the American workforce. "I think we have a fairly well-trained workforce," said Bill Scherer, a trucking-company manager in St. Joseph, Minn. "I think that would probably be the biggest benefit … that would help us compete against China."

    On other horizons, though, Americans see more clouds. Just half say that the U.S. beats out most of its competitors in the quality of government programs to encourage growth; only 46 percent said that business and government cooperate more effectively in the U.S. than in other nations. Most strikingly, only 43 percent said that the U.S. leads most other nations in the quality of elementary and secondary education; 53 percent said that we trail our major competitors. That pessimistic sentiment was broadly shared. At least half of both the affluent and the working class, and half of those with and without college educations, saw U.S. primary education as lagging.

    The verdict was most downbeat, though, on the bottom line. Asked which nation now has the world's strongest economy, just 20 percent picked the United States. More than twice as many (47 percent) picked China. Eleven percent chose Japan. White working-class voters--the group that turned most sharply against the Democrats in November--were the most pessimistic: Just one in seven of them placed the U.S. atop the list; half named China. But the pessimism was widespread. Almost half of both college-educated whites and minority adults also tabbed China as No. 1. Americans who consider themselves politically independent were especially downbeat (53 percent went with China), but both Republicans and Democrats were also twice as likely to name China as the U.S.

    Few economists would second that judgment. China this year became the world's second-largest economy, but the U.S. gross domestic product remains more than two and a half times bigger than China's, according to the International Monetary Fund. On a per capita basis, the advantage is nearly 11-to-1. China's economy has grown much faster than the U.S. for years, however, and Beijing has amassed an enormous surplus in its international accounts while accumulating huge amounts of U.S. government debt.

    Follow-up interviews suggest that Americans have such trends in mind when they cite China as the top economy. "They obviously are lending the United States a lot of money," said Kim Lomas, a kindergarten teacher in Naples, Fla. "And they seem to be exporting a lot to our country. It seems like everything I pick up says 'Made in China' on it." Scherer worries about China's edge in building things: "They're catching up to the U.S. as far as manufacturing," he says. "And I just see that trend continuing." Rigby frets about America's reliance on China to purchase its government debt. "China will one day knock on the White House door and ask us to pay up or take over," she says.

    Anxiety about the nation's immediate economic troubles undoubtedly colors this comparison. Yet when prompted to look decades into the future, those polled were only somewhat more optimistic about America's position. Asked which nation will have the strongest economy in 20 years, 34 percent picked the United States, compared with 37 percent who chose China and 6 percent who named Japan. (The rest divided among other options or said they didn't know.) About one-fifth of Americans who say that the U.S. today isn't the world's strongest economy expect it to regain world leadership down the road. But in all, nearly two-thirds don't expect America to recapture the pole position in the economic race for the foreseeable future, an advantage that the nation took for granted in the first decades after World War II.

    [See Are Americans as Poor as They Feel?]

    Two other findings underscored that apprehension. An imposing 58 percent of respondents agreed that "it is inevitable that Americans' incomes will grow more slowly" in the future than in the past "because American workers are now competing with millions of lower-paid workers around the world." Only 37 percent said that correct policies could reverse those trends. And just one-fourth of those polled said they believed that today's children will have more opportunity to get ahead than they themselves did when they were young; a 39 percent plurality said they expected America's young people to have less opportunity. (The rest expected youngsters to have the same opportunities or said they didn't know.) On both questions, white respondents (including those with college educations) were more pessimistic than minorities.

    A Shift Away from Manufacturing

    Central to Americans' sense of economic precariousness, the poll suggests, are intertwined concerns about the rise of global economic integration and the decline of U.S. manufacturing. Near the root of the unease for many of those polled is the worry that the United States no longer makes enough stuff.

    [See the Fastest Growing Jobs in America]

    Manufacturing figured only in the middle ranks when poll respondents projected which industries they believe will be "extremely important" in generating domestic economic growth over the next five to 10 years. Energy (47 percent) and health care (42 percent) led the list, followed by agriculture and information technology (36 percent each), manufacturing (33 percent), biotechnology (32 percent), and an assortment of other sectors.

    But the poll also revealed clear anxiety about the decades-long employment shift away from manufacturing to service jobs. Asked if the nation should allow that trend to continue without taking steps to reverse it, just one-third said yes; three-fifths said they wanted action.

    Those uneasy about the erosion of manufacturing employment included Matt Hemmis, sales director for a resort company in Orlando, Fla. He worries that America's most attractive export now appears to be entertainment. "We have become a service nation instead of a working nation," he said. "The only thing we have that spreads around the world is our music and our culture. But can we survive as a nation of culture? We have no mass production in our country. You can barely find cars or clothes made in this country anymore."

    Owen, the retired engineer, is equally impassioned. "We've become more of a service economy," he laments. "We send things out here and there [to be produced] and never understand how to manufacture the whole product; we just assemble it. In the long run, that's not good for our business health."

    Americans are closely split on the nation's current standing in the race to control the "manufacturing industries of the 21st century." Almost half (49 percent) said that the U.S. stands ahead of most other countries in that competition, but 47 percent said it has fallen behind. Those polled were more optimistic about the nation's ability to improve its position in manufacturing going forward: Contrary to some studies that expect China to take the lead, just over two-thirds of respondents said they believe the U.S. can remain the world's largest manufacturer. Gordon, the Virginia computer programmer, was one of several who expressed hope that renewable energy, which now generates only a tiny fraction of America's factory jobs, could generate a manufacturing renaissance. "With the green ideals we have, I think we have an opportunity … to have a whole science and technology revolution, like the Industrial Revolution," she says.

    Although that opportunity glimmers, when poll respondents were asked why manufacturing jobs have declined, they pointed a clear finger of blame at employers. Fully 58 percent said that the principal reason for the erosion was that "U.S. companies have shifted jobs overseas to take advantage of lower labor costs to achieve higher profits." That response dwarfed the percentage of those who chose any other option, including new labor-saving technologies (12 percent); excessive environmental or occupational-health regulation (12 percent); U.S. consumers preferring less expensive foreign goods (10 percent); and eroding education or skills among American workers (6 percent).

    Those responses captured the anxiety and ambivalence that rippled through the survey about the impact of globalization and free trade on American workers. Only about one-fifth of those in the workforce or in school said they worried that their employer might outsource their job to another country. But two-thirds said they believed that outsourcing had played a major role in the persistently high unemployment of recent years.

    Those polled divided relatively closely on the impact of expanding trade, but the overall mood was worried. In the most direct question, 52 percent agreed that "international trade has been bad for the U.S. economy because imports from abroad have reduced demand for American-made goods, cost jobs here at home, and produced potentially unsafe products," while 43 percent said that trade has "been good for the economy because demand for U.S. products abroad has resulted in economic growth and jobs for Americans here at home and provided more choice for consumers." That question produced a sharp class skew. Those with lower incomes or lacking college degrees saw international trade mostly as a negative force; the more affluent and better-educated viewed it positively.





    The country divided in similar proportions and along similar lines over whether the development of well-paying jobs in other nations was mostly a threat because it means those countries were winning jobs that might otherwise be located here (51 percent), or mostly an opportunity because it created more customers for American exports (42 percent).

    A Beef With Imports

    Perhaps the most dramatic expression of anxiety about globalization surfaced when 68 percent of those surveyed said they supported policies that would require a minimum percentage of all manufactured products sold in the U.S. to be produced or assembled here; only 27 percent opposed that idea. Such "domestic content" requirements haven't been seriously debated in U.S. politics since the 1980s.

    The strong support for that idea captured a powerful, almost visceral, belief among many of those surveyed that America has lost something important by relying so heavily on foreign products. "I was buying hamburger meat in Target the other day, and it said 'Product of U.S., Mexico, and Canada,' " recalled Lomas, the Florida teacher. "And I was thinking, come on! Why do we have to go to other countries for that? Something as basic as hamburger meat--we can make that here."

    Scherer feels the same way about cars and steel, the raw materials that did so much to build the American middle class in the last century. "The U.S. could look inward and instead of importing cheap Chinese steel, I'm sure that's something we could do here, bring it back to the U.S. and bolster our workforce," he said. "Why can't we produce whatever we need here?"

    Most economists would answer him by pointing to British economist David Ricardo, who in the early 19th century postulated the theory of comparative advantage in trade. In Ricardo's spirit, the survey did indicate that even amid all of their worry about trade, Americans are less interested in walling ourselves off from the world than in bolstering our ability to compete with it.

    In interviews, several of those surveyed expressed skepticism that many Americans would really favor homemade products that cost more over less-expensive imported goods. "Just look at [the business] Wal-Mart does," said Mark Doornek, a nursing student in Milwaukee. By a ratio of 55 percent to 38 percent, those polled said they would prefer a policy that expanded exports over one designed to reduce imports. "I don't think outsourcing is the greatest idea," Doornek said, "but I do believe there are a lot of economic opportunities if we utilize knowledge to start exporting again."

    Responses to two other sets of questions pointed toward the same conclusions. Given three choices for America's strategy in international economics, just 21 percent preferred a pure free-trade policy of lowering barriers to foreign goods and investment; 35 percent opted for a protectionist strategy of limiting imports, immigration, and foreign investment. The most popular alternative (drawing 38 percent) was an industrial-policy approach in which government created "programs that are designed to help specific U.S. industries that it determines will be important to America's global competitiveness."

    Similarly, by 62 percent to 34 percent, those surveyed said they would support a government agenda designed to promote advanced manufacturing "with tax incentives, funding for scientific research, and funding for … training." That option was considerably more popular than an approach aimed at reviving manufacturing through higher tariffs (51 percent supported that strategy, and 45 percent opposed it.) As in an earlier Heartland Monitor survey, targeted government intervention was most popular among minorities and college-educated whites--two groups that don't often agree.

    In practice, policies that aim to nurture specific industries would immediately provoke charges that government is picking "winners and losers," and would probably face intense resistance from many of the same voters who denounced the General Motors bailout. Even so, this survey, like previous Heartland Monitor polls, suggests that the competition with China's centrally planned economy may be enlarging the support for policies that would seek to systematically nurture domestic industries that are considered the most promising.

    If nothing else, the poll makes clear that a growing number of Americans who were raised on the expectation that they would live better than people anywhere else believe that the nation faces the international equivalent of a knife fight for growth, jobs, and income. Among the victims of the Great Recession, it seems, is any lingering assumption that America's historic economic advantages will guarantee prosperity in the future. The only future that Americans now believe they are guaranteed, this poll suggests, is unstinting competition from every corner of the globe.
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    The point everyone misses is we have the technology where everyone everywhere can live well. This scarcity none sense the business schools sell is outdated. The key is cheap electricity and desalinization. I get tired of hearing about the shortages of water when most the planet is covered in water. It just needs to be processed. This us vs them is just none sense cooked up by global industrialists so they control things. 1% have most the worlds wealth and buy off the politicians.

    Here's some food for thought. China was completely ruined by Chairman Mao. It did not start to come back until western politicians and industrialists started visiting China in the 1970's. All a sudden we started exporting industry and jobs to China. The west wanted the cheap labor and the Chinese wanted to grow economically. China didn't build itself, the west built it with our money. Because of this, the 1% got richer and will get even more if the US becomes a socialist state instead of a constitutional republic. The few people who run China have been cut into the big boys club and if you do a case study on Cherry automobiles and who owns the stock it's more apparent than ever.

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    The lie everyone buys into is that capitalism ruined the world. We are confusing capitalism with corporatism. Unchecked corporatism leads to fascism which crumbles due the corruption it brings in. True capitalism allows the individual to go to work for themselves and start a business. If they have a good product and manage their business well, they make money, create jobs, improve the world with new ideas and products. This encourages others to do the same. Any nation that allows capitalism to flourish unchecked grows economically; especially, if it has a base of hard working people. Combine this with a constitutional government that guarentees civil rights and you have a good thing going. China is trying the reap the rewards of capitalism but still have central control of the government. We will see if this works, but central control historically usually fails.

    The 1% love communism and fascism because they can keep any competition smothered and control the masses. All dictators have bankers financing their exploits. Hitler had to have financing as did Stalin. Without financing, you can't do anything even in a communist system. The great lie is when they tell you capatalism no longer works and they try to sell you socialism instead. Many people today buy the dupe.

    What the US is currently deciding is whether it wants to continue fascism or go back to capitalism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post

    Here's some food for thought. China was completely ruined by Chairman Mao. It did not start to come back until the BCE started visiting China in the 1970's. All a sudden we started exporting industry and jobs to China. The BCE wanted the cheap labor and the Chinese wanted to grow economically. China didn't build itself, the BCE built it with our money. Because of this, the 1% got richer and will get even more if the US becomes a socialist state instead of a constitutional republic.
    Just had to make that slight correction......


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    Quote Originally Posted by bueno bob View Post
    Bernie Sanders 2012.

    Got my vote.
    Mine too. He got the Federal Reserve to release where some of our money went. The politicians gave the Federal Reserve $12.3 Trillion where most of it went to offshore banks, corporations, and very little went to the average American. $3.3 Trillion of that was in cash and the rest we will have to finance in the future with our taxes. If you consider the world's gross national product is $60 Trillion total that should wake you up. It's the biggest theft in world history. Oh and I might add Bernanke's banking friends are making record bonuses as they charge us little people more interests and fees while the government jacks our taxes.

    Most of the US Congress are a bunch of suck ups but not Bernie Sanders or Ron Paul.

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