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    What Congress Should Cut- Wall Street Journal

    The primary economic challenge today is that our government spends too much money it doesn't have, and it is involved in too many things it cannot do well and shouldn't do at all. This burden is manifested by a $1.3 trillion annual deficit and a $14 trillion national debt. The more pernicious effects of this fiscal drag are unseen: a debased dollar, massive (and hidden) unfunded liabilities, and a crushing burden on would-be job creators.

    Milton Friedman correctly argued in 1999 that the "real cost of government—the total tax burden—equals what government spends plus the cost to the public of complying with government mandates and regulations and of calculating, paying, and taking measures to avoid taxes." He added, "Anything that reduces that real cost—lower government spending, elimination of costly regulations on individuals or businesses, simplification of explicit taxes—is a tax reform."

    Since 2007, Congress has been on an unprecedented spending binge. That means a first and obvious budget-cutting step would be to return discretionary spending to the baseline before things got so out of control. If Congress returned to the baseline before the supposedly "temporary" stimulus bill of 2009, $177 billion per year would be saved, according to calculations by FreedomWorks based on figures from the Office of Management and Budget and the Congressional Budget Office (CBO). If spending went back to the 2007 baseline, the beginning of the first Pelosi Congress, $374 billion would be saved. Over 10 years, that is $748 billion and $1.56 trillion in savings, respectively.

    Repealing ObamaCare is another obvious source of reduced spending. The absurd claim that this government takeover of health care produces budget savings is based on budget gimmickry—such as assumed Medicare cuts that, according to estimates by the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services, would put 15% of our hospitals out of business, and thus will never happen. The claim also ignores the historically explosive growth in other similar programs. Medicare grew nine-fold larger than was projected during its first 25 years. In its first 10 years alone, the program experienced a 700% cost overrun.

    But let's for the moment accept CBO's numbers on ObamaCare spending. They still mean that repealing the health-insurance exchanges and the premium subsidies, including the expansion of Medicaid, saves $898 billion over 10 years. Repealing the individual mandate alone—and thus reducing rather than eliminating these premium subsidies and Medicaid outlays—would cut $252 billion.

    Still more savings can be realized by eliminating taxpayer-funded bailouts. We need to cut the cord between taxpayer wallets and Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. As Alabama Rep. Spencer Bachus, the new chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, said last March of Fannie and Freddie, "Taxpayers have already contributed more than $127 billion to the bailout and they are on the hook for hundreds of billions more." The CBO estimates that the cost to taxpayers could rise to $389 billion. Others estimate it will take around $1 trillion. Fannie and Freddie need to be broken up and returned to the private sector now.

    There's more, much more. Eliminating subsidies to ethanol and for unproven energy technology produces $170 billion in savings over 10 years, according to the Cato Institute's recent "A Plan to Cut Spending and Balance the Federal Budget." Scaling back the number of government employees to fiscal year 2008 will save $35 billion, according to calculations from the office of Wyoming's Rep. Cynthia Lummis.

    Other 10-year Cato spending cut estimates: Scrapping the departments of Commerce and Housing and Urban Development saves $550 billion; ending farm subsidies would produce nearly $290 billion. Cutting NASA spending by 50% would save $90 billion. Repealing Davis-Bacon labor rules produces $60 billion. Ending urban mass transit grants would save $52 billion. Privatizing air traffic control, as other nations have done, saves $38 billion. Privatize Amtrak and end rail subsidies and save $31 billion. Reform federal worker retirement, $18 billion. Retire Americorps, $10 billion. Shutter the Small Business Administration, $14 billion.

    Defense spending should not be exempt from scrutiny. With such dramatic increases in appropriations, it is not plausible that all resources are being spent prudently. Defense Secretary Robert Gates has proposed savings of $145 billion over five years. That's a start.

    Entitlements—56% of the annual budget and growing—are the most difficult but also the most important programs to reform, because the total unfunded liability tops $100 trillion for Social Security and Medicare alone. The federal government does not put these liabilities on the books, but serious budgeting requires that we deal with this ominous long-term burden now.

    The most complete work on entitlement reform comes from Wisconsin Rep. Paul Ryan, the new chairman of the House Budget Committee. Mr. Ryan's "Roadmap for America's Future" combines a gradual slowing of Social Security benefit growth with optional personal accounts that seniors would own and control. As for the Big Three health-care programs—Medicare, Medicaid and tax subsidies for employer-sponsored health benefits—he converts them into capped contributions to individuals (part of Medicaid would be block-granted to states).

    This is a powerful, patient-driven approach, allowing individuals to take control of their own dollars. In total, the Ryan approach would powerfully realign incentives and would, according to the CBO's analysis of the Roadmap last January, reduce government spending by $370 billion a year in 2020.

    We've identified almost $3 trillion in real spending cuts over a decade, and have only scratched the surface. New House rules enable Mr. Ryan to create the conditions for reform via enforceable spending caps on all domestic government spending if Congress fails to produce a budget. He should use this authority to halt the current spending binge.

    None of this will be easy. Many will likely demagogue any reduction in the rate of growth of spending as a devastating "cut." But the politics of spending has changed, and there is an expectation among fiscally conservative voters—Republicans, independents, tea partiers and even Democrats—that the government tighten its belt, just as American families have been forced to do. Some in the Republican establishment have already started complaining that this is too politically difficult. These naysayers misread today's political climate. Should they succeed in blocking change, tea party voters will hold them just as accountable as big-spending Democrats.
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    I just thought that this would be worthwhile dropping here for the sake of discussion.

    I don't agree necessarily with Vagina Coastguard (Dick Armey) on some of the programs being cut, I just felt he brought an interesting POV to this. If anyone can recall, I believe someone was demanding someone from the right to name the programs they would cut...welp..here it is.

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    I used to think that you could cut your deficit instantly with an 90% defence cut because you could easily defend America with 10% of what is spent at the moment.

    I thought the problem is just that the defence contractors own your politicians so if somehow that link was broken the thing could be fixed through campaign funding reform.

    Unfortunately that doesn't really work because so many hundreds of billions are now caught up in benefits and pensions for the military. Most of this spending is in place now for all our lifetimes and nothing can be done about it. Plus if you look at the figures for all the people that ended up fucked up years later and costing a fortune to the taxpayer by the just 4 fucking days ground war of the first Gulf War it's seriously worrying. Why do I care? Well trust me if the US goes down you'll pull us down with you.
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    Fuck anything that comes from that teabagging Koch Brothers puppet DICK Armey. Or anything published by Murdoch, for that matter. They don't give a flying fuck about the best interests of Americans. Only billionaire leeches such as themselves.
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    True I wouldn't trust those cunts for a second.

    As far as the healthcare thing goes Britain set up ours when we were completely fucking bankrupt after the war.

    If no one has any money and people are unemployed that is EXACTLY the time that you do need state healthcare.

    If there aren't enough jobs in the economy for everyone then why should people and their kids not get treated?

    Healthcare is the last thing you should cut.

    Why is that a such a fucking difficult concept for people? If you are not alive then most other political issues tend to be a bit fucking less relevant to you.

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    It wasn't just the UK that set up their health system after WWII. That's when Germany and Japan set theirs as well. And Harry Truman tried to do the same here, but was stalled by a Republican congress. And that's when the Republicans were still somewhat sane, even.

    I'd be completely fine with the Boner Congress repealing "ObamaCare" if they wanted to replace it with Medicare for All. Problem is they would end up keeping the mandated payments to criminal corporations, and kill the slight reforms (like ending "pre existing conditions") which actually passed in the clusterfuck bill last year.
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    I think staying the coarse of addressing corruption and white collar crime will trim many areas

    For example:
    Medicare Fraud Enforcement Efforts Recovered $2.5 Billion In 2009

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/0..._n_574553.html


    The thresh-hold for being awarded the points in the amount of recovery needs to be lowered. The process of recovery needs to be streamlined.
    Also, State level needs to be addressed.

    There are a lot of people that would find fraud hunting a enjoyable and rewarding past time.
    America has an Army of civil computers at their dispatch that would be glad to make a rewarding hobby of hunting misspent money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Fuck anything that comes from that teabagging Koch Brothers puppet DICK Armey. Or anything published by Murdoch, for that matter. They don't give a flying fuck about the best interests of Americans. Only billionaire leeches such as themselves.
    But what's your overall feelings of the content? Should we strive for as a nation to have a more efficient, fiscally smart government, including even the military sector?

    some of the money wasted could go to other, possibly more useful projects, and maybe even to fund a stronger canada-style health care system.

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    As I posted in another thread yesterday, the short term solution is this:

    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    They could fix the economy easily with just three steps:

    1) End the useless occupations of Iraq and Afghanistan, and any other military actions in any country which is not a direct and actual threat to the United States. (Actual does not mean "as defined by PNAC or their bastard friends in the Likud party, or by the oil corporations")

    2) Close ALL tax loopholes.

    3) Roll back the tax "cuts" for tax dodging millionaires and billionaires to where they were before the BCE tax "cuts" of 1981, and reinstate the estate tax. Nobody has the right to live off of what their great great grandparents did, especially if they have contributed nothing of value to this planet, like the BCE. Or Paris Hilton.
    Longer term solution would be to move towards a model similar to what has worked over and over again in other "Democratic" nations. Some things should never have been privatized in the first place, and for the sake of the nation, they must be taken out of corporate hands in the future. Those areas are as follows:

    Healthcare
    Energy
    Defense
    Infrastructure (including broadband internet)
    Education

    Take the profit motive out of these areas, and get back to actually making things in this country. And get rid of that rigged casino crime syndicate called "wall $treet" too.

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    FORD's point is valid. you can't talk about the deficit without at least acknowledging taxes.

    republicans argue that all tax increases are evil incarnate. (they forgot what reagan did after 1981). but they also forgot that in the late 1990s, things were great economically, the budget was actually in surplus, and the taxes were at a reasonable level. the bush tax cuts unquestionably increased the deficit. regardless of whether or not they were good policy for the economy, they reduced revenue. so, to assume that the current deficit (a significant portion of which was due to tax cuts) must be made up entirely of spending cuts is incorrect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Longer term solution would be to move towards a model similar to what has worked over and over again in other "Democratic" nations. Some things should never have been privatized in the first place, and for the sake of the nation, they must be taken out of corporate hands in the future. Those areas are as follows:

    Healthcare
    Energy
    Defense
    Infrastructure (including broadband internet)
    Education

    Take the profit motive out of these areas, and get back to actually making things in this country. And get rid of that rigged casino crime syndicate called "wall $treet" too.
    To be fair, do you think that there should be private options in say, forms of say education and healthcare?

    Having attended both a private school and a public school and recieving a valuable education at each, I can say the problem does not en-lie within the fact that private schools exist, rather at how broken down the system is in providing quality teachers to students and holding teachers more accountable for their students academic success.

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    I think it boils down to who you trust with your money. I don't mind giving my money to the government if I get something I like back out of it. I don't mind giving my money to the private sector if I get something I like back out of it. The problem is you can't trust either of them now. Also, the corporations and the government have become the same thing. It's a mess and until we can get more politicians in office who care about the people instead of these fascist fuckers, we are screwed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    To be fair, do you think that there should be private options in say, forms of say education and healthcare?

    Having attended both a private school and a public school and recieving a valuable education at each, I can say the problem does not en-lie within the fact that private schools exist, rather at how broken down the system is in providing quality teachers to students and holding teachers more accountable for their students academic success.
    I lived in Hong Kong in 1978 and went to the private school where you had to wear the uniform. I looked like Angus Young. LOL! I started school in the Idaho public school system. School was more serious in Hong Kong but the deal over there is there was no public school. If your parents couldn't afford school your lot was set and you would work menial jobs the rest of your life.

    It made me appreciate the US and it public school system and it was fine and many smart people in the past came out of it. The thing went to pot as soon as school became a day care center and not an education center. The family went to shit because the parents went to shit and nobody watched the schools so they went to shit.

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