PNAC wants war with Libya!

[Jesus Christ]

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews

[ELVIS]

Leave Libya alone...

Bomb SAUDI ARABIA !!!

[Jesus Christ]

Do the words "Thou shalt not kill" mean anything to you?

[Nitro Express]

The Chinese have their foreign policy right. They want that Libyan oil as much as anyone but they stay out of other state's affairs. Thomas Jefferson said the same. Take care of the home front first and stop meddling in places we don't belong. After WWII we became the policeman of the world and fucked ourselves in the process.

[ashstralia]

fix up carparkistan first.

[ELVIS]

These tree huggers should fix up bikeparkistan and stay there...

[Blaze]

What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

[WACF]

What good would a no fly zone be?
Is there some sort of controlling device that will prevent the planes electrical systems from working and not disable other things?
No, there is not.
A no fly zone is a silly empty wishful unenforceable declaration.






Once it was realized that corruption had permeated a significant part of the very culture of humans in that region, as exhibited by the willingness accept corruption and act with corruption toward the revelation, the eradication was going to be needed to be injected by another means.
The cancer was too extensive.
Moreover, the cancer causing agent, corruption, had become an accepted, if not desired, taste. The well-being of an environment that limited corruption was disdained.

I liken it to a family or person that comes from an corrupt or abusive household; sometimes when they are brought from such environments or shown an way out of such environments, the fear of not being able to survive without corruption or abuse as a means is over-whelming to their well-being and they chose the ill environment out of fear, because fear is what they know and are conditioned to think through.


etc. etc. etc.

A No Fly zone requires countries willing to supply air power to remove ground assets in order to "safely" patrol the skys...then bring down any Libyan air assets that attempt to strike at the Rebels.

It also requires involved countries to "pick" sides....and that does not always work out so well.

[ELVIS]

Blaze is way way way out there...

[ELVIS]

Change we can believe in...


The Obama administration is pushing hard for a Thursday vote on a U.N. Security Council resolution authorizing airstrikes and other measures to stop Libyan leader Col. Muammar al-Qaddafi from killing more civilians and defeating rebel forces in Libya.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton said Thursday that a U.N. no-fly zone over Libya "requires certain actions taken to protect the planes and the pilots, including bombing targets like the Libyan defense systems."

Clinton told reporters in Tunisia the specifics of international action against Qaddafi were still being negotiated at the United Nations in New York.

The move comes as Qaddafi forces have made "significant strides" against the rebels in Libya. Qaddafi forces said it would cease military operations on Sunday to give rebels a chance to surrender, without giving further details about the offer, Reuters reported, citing Al Arabiya TV.

The U.S. wants the Security Council to approve planes, troops or ships to stop attacks by Qaddafi on the rebels, according to a diplomat familiar with closed-door negotiations.

The Obama administration said it would not act without Security Council authorization, though it would be willing to cooperate on measures "short of boots on the ground." However, the diplomat said the U.S. insists on broad international participation, especially by Arab states.

Russia and China have expressed doubts about the U.N. and other outside powers getting involved and either one could veto a resolution.

That possibility spurred concerns by Sen. Marco Rubio, R-Fla., who in particularly blunt terms questioned Undersecretary of State Williams Burns at a Senate Foreign Relations Committee Thursday about whether the U.S. would have the wherewithal to take action absent approval from other nations. During the tense exchange, Rubio said Russia and China aren't interested in trying to end the violence in Libya, and asked if the U.S. doesn't step in, who would.

Burns responded that he is confident the U.N. Security Council will pass a resolution.

"I'm not assuming that it's going to fail," he said. "I think we can produce a resolution. I hope we can today."

The undersecretary noted that forces loyal to Qaddafi are roughly 100 miles from the rebel stronghold of Benghazi. Burns said Qaddafi is taking full advantage of his military firepower in turning
back rebels in Libya.

Libyan rebels shot down at least two bomber planes that attacked the airport in their main stronghold on Thursday, according to residents who witnessed the rare success in the struggle against Qaddafi's superior air power.

Meanwhile, Sen. John McCain, who has been pushing the Obama administration to impose a no-fly zone for weeks, questioned Air Force Chief of Staff Gen. Norton Schwartz at the committee hearing on why that move would now be too little too late.

Schwartz did not say that the U.S. military should have implemented a no-fly zone but he did agree that if one were to be imposed now it would require additional military action.

"A no-fly zone would not be sufficient," Schwartz said.

"As opposed to a few weeks ago when it would have been," McCain replied.

[BITEYOASS]

Dear President Obama:

Regrettably, the international community has yet to take serious action to prevent a moral and humanitarian catastrophe in Libya and the Libyan opposition is now on the defensive. As forces loyal to Muammar Qaddafi push eastward, we are concerned that the brutal and indiscriminate tactics of government forces could lead to additional civilian casualties.

On Saturday, the Arab League endorsed Libyan opposition calls for a no fly zone. We call on you to urgently institute a no fly zone over key Libyan cities and towns in conjunction with U.S. allies. We also call on you to explore the option of targeted strikes against regime assets in an effort to prevent further bloodshed. The United States should also immediately recognize the Libyan National Transitional Council and take all necessary actions to support their efforts to unseat the Qaddafi regime.

In your inaugural address two years ago, you said this: "And so to all other peoples and governments who are watching today, from the grandest capitals to the small village where my father was born: Know that America is a friend of each nation and every man, woman and child who seeks a future of peace and dignity, and that we are ready to lead once more."

Today the United States and its allies should stand with the men, women and children of Libya who seek a future of peace and dignity. The situation in Libya in the coming days will not just impact the Libyan people. As protests continue against repressive regimes around the world, the message currently being conveyed by our inaction is that killing and repression will go unpunished and are the best option for despots seeking to postpone reform.

For the sake of our security as well as America’s credibility with people who seek freedom everywhere, we ask you to act as quickly as possible to ensure that the people of Libya – and the world – know that we are willing to back up our principles with action.

Sincerely,

Stephen E. Biegun
Max Boot
Ellen Bork
Paul Bremer
Scott Carpenter
Elizabeth Cheney
Eliot Cohen
Seth Cropsey
Thomas Donnelly
Michele Dunne
Eric Edelman
Jamie Fly
Reuel Marc Gerecht
William Inboden
Bruce Pitcairn Jackson
Ash Jain
Robert Kagan
David Kramer
Irina Krasovskaya
William Kristol
Tod Lindberg
Ann Marlowe
Cliff May
Joshua Muravchik
Michael O'Hanlon
Martin Peretz
Danielle Pletka
John Podhoretz
Randy Scheunemann
Gary J. Schmitt
Dan Senor
William Taft
Marc Thiessen
Daniel Twining
Ken Weinstein
Leon Wieseltier
Rich Williamson
Damon Wilson

people like Kristol, Gerecht, and Kagan make Me ashamed to be the King of the Jews

Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

[hideyoursheep]

Well if they want to fight Libya so bad, they should grab some parachutes hop on the nearest C-130 and get their old asses to do an airborne assault.

Nah, nothing that sophisticated...give them each a Toyota pickup with a .50 in the back.

Hey, Jesus- Why does a 2000 year old Jew sound like a 16th century Englishman?

[hideyoursheep]

There's an Air Force officer out there chomping at the bit to enforce some sort of no-fly zone on Lybia. Regardless of the outcome, will Lybia ever be any better off with or without Gaddafi?

[hideyoursheep]

What we REALLY need to do is execute a joint amphibious / air assault on the Bohemian Club. Cut the head off of the snake.

[Nitro Express]

We could just drop our politicians out of a B-52 on Kaddafi. That really would be a toxic bomb.