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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    You wanna talk about the whorporate tax cuts? Really, jackstard? Keep sucking that trumpian kool aid that he gives a flying fuck about any of you unwashed peons that voted for him!

    GM Just Laid Off 15,000 Workers Less Than One Year After Trump Promised Tax Cuts Would Save US Jobs [Opinion]

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    Less than one year after historic tax cuts, aimed toward corporations and made with promises from the White House of jobs security for Americans across the country, General Motors announced on Monday that it would be laying off 14,700 of its workers in the United States.

    According to a tweet from the Washington Post, the motor company is set to fire 15 percent of its salaried workers, as well as end production at five plants in the U.S. and in Canada.


    One of the plants that is closing, per reporting from the Chicago Tribune, is a production facility just outside of Youngtown, Ohio. Just this past summer, President Donald Trump said that jobs were coming back to the area as a result of his policies and laws passed. Trump told workers in that community not to sell their homes because jobs were “coming back.”

    Not surprisingly, Trump’s rhetoric doesn’t match the reality of the situation. In fact, just the opposite is happening: rather than jobs coming back, opportunities for workers are leaving, and workers who were once employed will soon need to find new jobs following these plants’ closures.

    Less than one year ago, Trump promised that his tax cuts — which largely benefited corporations and wealthy Americans — would spur jobs growth across the nation. “I consider this very much a bill for the middle class and a bill for jobs,” Trump said in a signing statement promoting the tax cuts in December last year. “And jobs are produced through companies and corporations, and you see that happening.”


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    The reduction could include the closing of up to five domestic plants.

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    This is not a phenomenon that is unique to GM, which benefited greatly from the Trump tax cuts over the past year. Pfizer, AT&T, and Kimberly-Clark also laid off large portions of their workforce following the passage of the tax package, according to reporting from CheatSheet.

    The promises that these tax cuts would spur jobs growth — as well as jobs retention — were largely misplaced when Trump and others promoted the bill last year.

    We knew this before the bill was even signed into law — a survey of 42 economists last year found that only one thought that the new law would spur economic growth, and other surveys found that corporations across the country didn’t believe that the tax cuts would inspire them to hire more workers, per reporting from the American Prospect. The new law also did not place any incentives on companies to keep jobs in American — rather, it strengthened the economic motivations to move jobs offshore.

    The problems and reasons for GM laying off tens of thousands of workers may not have been avoidable. But the tax cuts that were passed last year were sold on the basis of retaining jobs in the United States, and creating more of them as well. Trump made a promise to these communities specifically that their jobs would be secure because of his tax cuts. In the end, that was a promise broken, and one that these workers shouldn’t forget any time soon.

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    Chip, I appreciate that you're excited that as many as 14,000 people are losing work, but this has a little more to do with how GM ran the corporation than tax incentives. So I guess they're not to build the Volt anymore? Wasn't that an Obama car?

    You seem really happy. Wasn't GM too big to fail?
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    Hardly surprising that Cheeto would want the Chevy Volt exterminated. That dumb orange son of a bitch is more rooted in 19th century energy policies than even the BCE themselves were. And at least the BCE had the excuse of using the oil business as a front for their "off-book" CIA operations.
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    Cars are more expensive because of the Trump tariffs. The steel and most the parts now come from overseas. Short-term it's going to make things more expensive but long-term it will motivate companies to make the steel and parts back in the US. We got used to consumer goods being cheaper because they were essentially made by slave labor in places like China. The bottom line is if you want decent paying manufacturing jobs in the US you are going to have to pay more for the goods. Another problem that has nothing to do with politics is automation. A lot of jobs that required people now can be automated. We really could find ourselves in a future situation where we have more people than jobs. Of course the government could provide a base living allowance but the problem with that is it makes people dependent on politicians and bureaucrats and that becomes abused and usually turns into a tyranny of some kind. It's best to have the eggs in multiple baskets and that's why free market capitalism always provides the most freedom and economic growth to people who understand it and are willing to work. No perfect system folks. All you can do is do your best to understand where things are going and prepare yourselves to survive in the environment. No politician is going to fix shit. Trump has come. He will go. Someone else will be in the seat. I wouldn't waste time waiting for some messiah figure to arrive and shoot manna from his or her ass.
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    Who gives a rat's ass? Does anyone here work for GM? GM had to be bailed out by the government. Ford didn't. Sears is going to disappear. Missed the whole on-line marketing opportunity when ironically Sears and Robuck sold everything you could imagine mail order over a century ago. Sears was the original Amazon. Management didn't see the opportunities and now Sears is toast. GM might be toast. The thing is something replaces these companies. If there is a market, people will meet the demand. Life doesn't stay static and nobody has a steady job anymore. You have to adapt and it's all up to you whether you do or don't. Not some politicians. Most politicians have no idea what's going on in the free market world.

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    The reason Sears is failing is that right about the time of the merger with K-Mart, the company was put in the hands of a CEO who was a hedge-fund mismanaging Randtard idiot who didn't give a flying fuck about the company's legacy or long term survival, much less its employees. Every decision that asshole made was wrong, and now we see the results. If Sears had modernized their old catalog business to a 21st century model, while keeping their brick & mortar stores running, they could have very well been a competitor to Amazon... and maybe without a CEO as craven & narcissistic as Jeffy Bezos is.

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    Ford stock is almost junk status. Shareholders want dividends.

    There is a bank of Amazon lockers at the same mall Sears left a year ago. Used to pick up your catalog order at Sears...now you can pick up your Amazon order.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    You want to play with Jacksmar? Put on your Peter Chris boots and get your tits out.
    Now go get a beach ball and find five other broads with DD's to offset your A cups and get a game of keep it up going.

    Just because you are a MRSA ridden black MILF lesbian senior citizen biker for Christ doesn't mean you aren't a racist.
    Well, you finally came out of the closet. That's only half the battle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Hardly surprising that Cheeto would want the Chevy Volt exterminated. That dumb orange son of a bitch is more rooted in 19th century energy policies than even the BCE themselves were. And at least the BCE had the excuse of using the oil business as a front for their "off-book" CIA operations.
    Wrong again. Who in the fuck wants to buy an (alleged) American made car anymore? Back in 2015 when I bought my Infinity in no way was any American made pile of shit on the radar. They are garbage for the money. Had a roommate who had a 2016 Ford "View" or "Trek" or "Aspen" or whatever lame-ass marketing think tank bullshit name they gave it and you know what? That piece of shit spent more time at the dealership repair then it did on the road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Ford stock is almost junk status. Shareholders want dividends.

    There is a bank of Amazon lockers at the same mall Sears left a year ago. Used to pick up your catalog order at Sears...now you can pick up your Amazon order.
    Even their "Craftsman" garbage is manufactured in China. Even the F A T Orange man knew that.

    That's why the F A T turd tard went to HardOn tools for his bullshit "American First" photo op knowing their overpriced shit was still being made here.

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    Craftsman was sold to Stanley Black & Decker last year. SB&D plans on bringing Craftsman production back to the states.

    If you're going to buy Chinese, might as well go to Harbor Freight and use the 20% off coupons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The reason Sears is failing is that right about the time of the merger with K-Mart, the company was put in the hands of a CEO who was a hedge-fund mismanaging Randtard idiot who didn't give a flying fuck about the company's legacy or long term survival, much less its employees. Every decision that asshole made was wrong, and now we see the results. If Sears had modernized their old catalog business to a 21st century model, while keeping their brick & mortar stores running, they could have very well been a competitor to Amazon... and maybe without a CEO as craven & narcissistic as Jeffy Bezos is.
    Watch this, you Bernie Brat. Apparently, American retail is long, long dead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by twonabomber View Post
    Craftsman was sold to Stanley Black & Decker last year. SB&D plans on bringing Craftsman production back to the states.
    Still won't be the Craftsman name.

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    Those interior shots of the dead mall with the glass elevator gave me 80s flashbacks....


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    BTW, the local Sears here was originally one of the "anchor" stores for the first mall in town. It was at one end, and another department store called "Peoples" was at the other. There was a Woolworth's in the middle and a bunch of smaller stores in between including the radio shack and the record store that used to sell bongs before the pigs figured out what bongs were for and made them illegal.

    Peoples got taken over by Mervyn's which got taken over by Kohl's and all the stores in the middle got wiped out a few years back with a Target now occupying that space. Sears is the only thing that remains of the original mall. I've probably been there twice in the last decade, and it was the automotive dept, but I was in there long enough to notice that the rest of the store seemed fairly empty. No official notice that they will be closing yet, but if that news changed in January, I really wouldn't be that surprised.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Well, you finally came out of the closet. That's only half the battle.
    Closet? Maybe you don't understand. Let me say it so you can get this through your typical woman mind: big fucking tits. If you don't understand this you are the typical woman. Tell yourself what you want to keep you happy but the truth is size matters. If your tits never got any bigger than your 11-year-old self, you're really not any use to me but truly you aren't any use to any other men either.

    Except the men that look at a woman in the hopes for a seven-year-old boy.

    Now did you really have anything to add to the oil conversation or were you just looking as usual to trade insults? The kitchen is to your left...

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    Back on topic, apparently there's trouble with the Canadian pipeline as well as the Keystone pipeline. Even so I saw Canadian oil at $15 a barrel. I don't know if it's due to provincial welfare or not because I really don't care that much about Canada.

    What I do understand about oil prices is there's going to have to be a breakeven price per barrel at some point. I'm guessing $50 a barrel. Right now fracking is keeping prices low, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Paul-Stanley-Michael Jackson
    I though KISS got rid of Michael Jackson on MAD TV?

    And way off topic, that photo is from 2004 Paul Stanley. I would love to have 2004 Paul Stanley vocals back, but that's the conversation for another thread...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Right now fracking is keeping prices low, too.
    Wrong again, you F A T fucky fucktard fish fart.



    What keep oil prices competitive was under Obama when he decided to allow for Arctic drilling in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas in the Arctic Ocean’s Outer Continental Shelf. This was a strange and highly overlooked by the "MSM because oil industry had no immediate plans at the time for exploration or drilling in the Arctic Ocean. And Obama, like the F A T Orange man, was great at obscuring the abysmal environmental protection records as well as the whole god damn Democratic Party who are just as greedy and corrupt when it comes to raping this earth for profit.

    Now this could have been due fact at the time of the Obama Administration many oil companies were going bankrupt - even before the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and many decommissioning a majority of their rigs laying off more people than GM. But in reality, it was really about estimations that oil @ $100/barrel would never see the light of day again and presidents love it when gas prices are low around election time.


    As for frack-fucking, it is no better of an alternative. Even now under the F A T Orange man federal agencies have issued more hydro-fracking permits then one can count for platform wells in the Gulf of Mexico. Under Obama and now the F A T Orange man, both administrations have permitted the dumping tens of billions of gallons of extremely toxic carcinogenic fracking wastewater right back into the Gulf and exempted some 300 of the fracking jobs from environmental impact assessments.



    The irreversible and shameful environmental damage both administrations have done to this planet is atrocious. Fuck them. And fuck you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    Wrong again, you F A T fucky fucktard fish fart.


    What keep oil prices competitive was under Obama when he decided to allow for Arctic drilling in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas in the Arctic Ocean’s Outer Continental Shelf. This was a strange and highly overlooked by the "MSM because oil industry had no immediate plans at the time for exploration or drilling in the Arctic Ocean. And Obama, like the F A T Orange man, was great at obscuring the abysmal environmental protection records as well as the whole god damn Democratic Party who are just as greedy and corrupt when it comes to raping this earth for profit.

    Now this could have been due fact at the time of the Obama Administration many oil companies were going bankrupt - even before the BP oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico and many decommissioning a majority of their rigs laying off more people than GM. But in reality, it was really about estimations that oil @ $100/barrel would never see the light of day again and presidents love it when gas prices are low around election time.


    As for frack-fucking, it is no better of an alternative. Even now under the F A T Orange man federal agencies have issued more hydro-fracking permits then one can count for platform wells in the Gulf of Mexico. Under Obama and now the F A T Orange man, both administrations have permitted the dumping tens of billions of gallons of extremely toxic carcinogenic fracking wastewater right back into the Gulf and exempted some 300 of the fracking jobs from environmental impact assessments.

    The irreversible and shameful environmental damage both administrations have done to this planet is atrocious. Fuck them. And fuck you.
    https://nypost.com/2018/09/12/fracki...rlds-oil-king/

    Fracking helped make the US the world’s oil king

    Move over, Russia — and Saudi Arabia, too: The United States is now the world’s largest producer of crude oil.

    “US crude-oil production exceeded that of Saudi Arabia for the first time in more than two decades,” the US Energy Information Administration reported Tuesday. “In June and August, the United States surpassed Russia in crude-oil production for the first time since February 1999.”

    That assessment confirms an International Energy Agency prediction in March that America would soon be No. 1, and it should keep that slot through 2019, at least.

    Thanks to the fracking boom, US oil production has topped more than 10 million barrels per day this year — a first since the 1970s, Reuters reported.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacksmar View Post
    Chip, I appreciate that you're excited that as many as 14,000 people are losing work, but this has a little more to do with how GM ran the corporation than tax incentives. So I guess they're not to build the Volt anymore? Wasn't that an Obama car?

    You seem really happy. Wasn't GM too big to fail?
    No dope, it has to do with trumps tradewar with China, one of GM's largest markets and his policies being publicly decried by not just GM, but Ford as well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    The reason Sears is failing is that right about the time of the merger with K-Mart, the company was put in the hands of a CEO who was a hedge-fund mismanaging Randtard idiot who didn't give a flying fuck about the company's legacy or long term survival, much less its employees. Every decision that asshole made was wrong, and now we see the results. If Sears had modernized their old catalog business to a 21st century model, while keeping their brick & mortar stores running, they could have very well been a competitor to Amazon... and maybe without a CEO as craven & narcissistic as Jeffy Bezos is.
    Exactly! Sears and Kmart were purchased for their properties not as retail operations. If you've been to a kmart lately you know it's like walking into the late 1980's-early 90's. No efforts to make updates and really compete with Walmart or Amazon, or the dozens of other online retailers that even have brick-and-mortar operations. Sears and Benzos would have fucked themselves even without the growth of online. It's kind of sad actually, as Kmart probably built one of its last new and most modern stores in my hometown in the early 90's and it closed in less than ten years, and now sits vacant largely because the assholes at a certain development company still are getting paid from Kmart...

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    The K-mart here was located right across the I-5 freeway from the Sears, so they were an early casualty of that merger. The store was vacant for years, and is now home to the FundaMENTAList "Hobby Lobby" store (the folks that brought the "corporations are religious people" case to the Supreme Court). Never have set foot in the place, and can't see a reason why I ever would.

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    The local Super Kmart opened in the mid 90's and made it about 20 years before being closed. It's now torn down and Meijer is going in, about a block away from Walmart. That Walmart is not a Supercenter and has nowhere to expand, I'm betting Meijer pushes them to a new location closer to the freeway and Sam's Club.

    Retail is booming here, there is a Menard's going in within sight of Home Depot and a big retail development not far from that. Sears has been empty a year but one of the Dillard's stores (our mall had two) has become a bowling alley/arcade. They're doing okay. Hobby Lobby is being built on an outside lot at the mall, it started out as a grocery store and was an OfficeMax after that.

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