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    Thumbs up The great Floyd Rose Big-Block Shootout.

    Since over the past year and a half I've become addicted to FloydUpgrades Big-Blocks of both the Brass and Titanium variety, one of the questions I'm invariably asked is "What do they sound like? What are the differences?" Well, sometimes verbal descriptions fall short; something has to be heard to be truly appreciated, if not felt. It wasn't enough to merely tell someone how much either of them kicked ass over the standard, you really have to hear it and decide for yourself. Telling people even my DRUMMER noticed a difference was a head-turner, true - but I wanted to document it once and for all.



    So I decided, since I had all three types lying around (I use the Brass and the Titanium as different flavors for different applications now, and have the originals as paperweights), I have Pro Tools and am only moderately afraid to use it I'd throw together my own sonic shoot out of sorts. I decided to use my Koa Warmoth Strat as the test-bed for the experiment, since she has the most even tone of all my Floyd-equipped guitars.

    First order of business was to reinstall the original (eww) standard 37mm block for the "reference riff/MP3". After slapping back on the standard, I recorded two sample riffs, one slightly dirty and one balls out to get a feel for their individual characteristics in regards to open chords, palm muting, and overall dynamics. For this test I used PODfarm and Recabinet - a Marshall Plexi and Soldano emulation both running into the same Recabinet "Green 4x12" with a single 121 mic emulation. I'd then repeat the process with the other two block types- same emulations, same settings, same guitar - different block each time.

    Here's the riff(s) with the Standard block:

    SoundClick artist: Jay's Gearwhore - page with MP3 music downloads

    Once that was done, I also took the opportunity to install the FloydUpgrades Brass Spring Claw and Noiseless spring set for the two "upgraded" riff examples, as I wanted to illustrate the full tone-freak Floyd Rose overhaul process.



    Those were quickly swapped out, then it was on to the Brass Block. Here's how that one went:

    SoundClick artist: Jay's Gearwhore - page with MP3 music downloads

    You can tell in that clip the low end is now seemingly boosted, and the tone is fatter overall. Gone is the dreaded Floyd Rose "thinness" players long complained of, and note transfer seems to have improved as well. The mids seem thicker and the highs seem to have been warmed up as well, without becoming screechy. There's also a noticeable increase in sustain. Definite UPgrade.

    Brass alone is impressive, (and one could certainly live with it) but - if you really want to go tonal crackhead with it, Titanium IS the push over the cliff. It is more like Brass' evil cousin. Everything Brass does, it seems to do "one louder". The sustain increase is most dramatic, making notes seem to jump off the fretboard...there's something more... aggressive about the highs too, but it's not at all harsh...check it out:

    SoundClick artist: Jay's Gearwhore - page with MP3 music downloads

    So now at least no one has to ask me to tell them what the different advantages of the blocks are now...you can hear them for yourselves...
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    For the record I think the Brass claws are a useful addition as well. Seems as if I noticed a slight increase in the guitar's overall resonance, and I don't recall it sounding quite so good when it had the Brass Big-Block installed originally.


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    If I disagree, you're gonna move this post - right?
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    Thumbs down Nice try....

    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    If I disagree, you're gonna move this post - right?
    No, as you well know - if it's a straight troll it gets moved...and gee, wouldn't you have had to have tried one or the other to disagree? Got an opinion based on the clips? Like the standard the best of the three? Or are you going to "disagree" just because...

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    The brass sounds more bassy and sustains better, the titanium sounds thinner but more resonant.

    Not IMO worth the money or effort, if you can't play or record properly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post

    Not IMO worth the money or effort, if you can't play or record properly.
    Project much?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondjimi View Post
    Project much?
    So, in other words, for anyone other than him - it's a great idea...

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    For anyone who has the time to waste it's a fantastic idea.

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    Thumbs down Wah.

    But is time spent in the pursuit of improved tone time wasted? It took me 6 (at a relaxed pace, with a pizza break ) hours to pull my guitar apart the 3 times it took to do the test - including pulling the old claw and springs, and soldering in the ground for new one, as well as recording the clips and bouncing them to MP3s.

    What's an afternoon if your tone is noticeably better for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    So, in other words, for anyone other than him - it's a great idea...
    Yup, pretty much...

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    Wink It's gonna be on teh interweb, it must be true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diamondjimi View Post
    Yup, pretty much...
    It's a worthy investment for anyone into improving their tone.

    Posted the shootout here and then at a couple of other gear forums; the review's gotten picked up by FloydUpgrades...and is going to be on the website...


    So yeah, STFU, GARfail, Suckdicky, all a ya's! :tongue0011:


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    HA!!!

    Nicely done J.....
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    This is awesome! Thanks a lot for making the effort!
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    Quote Originally Posted by VAiN View Post
    This is awesome! Thanks a lot for making the effort!
    Glad you like! People had been asking about them for a while, and I figured since I had all three types here and could knock it out in a day, why not?

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    Cool Uh, holy crap!

    Looks like it was definitely a worthwhile effort, between all the places I posted the shoot out where questions had been asked about the blocks.




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    Jay thanks!! Great comparison ans sold me on the value of the upgrades!
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    And on a side note, some other great Floyd's

    Floyd Little


    Pretty Boy Floyd


    Pink Floyd


    Sgt Floyd Pepper


    Floyd The Barber



    Sorry to derail, I'm in a strange, strange mood.
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    I had a guitar with a Wilkinson trem and locking tuners. It didn't sound as good as my Floyd equipped guitars. I like the sound of the old Strat bridge. I have a 72 Strat that sustains like you wouldn't believe. All my Floyd are hard down Van Halen style and just doing that beefs the tone and that how I like mine.
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    Arrow

    Adam could probably verify, but I've always heard EVH preferred the vintage Strat bridge for recording, and would switch it out with the Floyd(s) on Frankie in the studio up until like 1984 or so(?). Interestingly, the prototypes HAD big-blocks, so it wouldn't have been for that reason...different strokes.

    But if you like Floyds, and want one to sound FAT as shit, Big-Blocks are it.








    For the record, if not moving Kristy's post outright, I should at the very least groan her for omitting the Mayweathers Sr. and Jr. from her list of "great Floyds".


    I mean, please.

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    I thought about them Hale. But c'mon, it's Floyd the Barber! The creepiest of the creepiest old man ever to be on T.V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kristy View Post
    But c'mon, it's Floyd the Barber! The creepiest of the creepiest old man ever to be on T.V.

    Until this shit hit cable, maybe...


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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    But if you like Floyds, and want one to sound FAT as shit, Big-Blocks are it.


    If you can play like this, you rely on an amp for your tone - that way, any loss of tone from using any 2-pt pivoting (Floyd) block or 6-pt one (standard Fender classic block) is quite negligible.

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    Thumbs down Fail.

    Quote Originally Posted by GAR View Post
    If you can play like this...blah blah
    Yeah...Last I heard the EVH replicas had Big-Blocks...and of course you'd scoff at people like Steve Stevens and Warren Demartini too...:tongue0011:



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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Adam could probably verify, but I've always heard EVH preferred the vintage Strat bridge for recording, and would switch it out with the Floyd(s) on Frankie in the studio up until like 1984 or so(?). Interestingly, the prototypes HAD big-blocks, so it wouldn't have been for that reason...different strokes.

    But if you like Floyds, and want one to sound FAT as shit, Big-Blocks are it.








    For the record, if not moving Kristy's post outright, I should at the very least groan her for omitting the Mayweathers Sr. and Jr. from her list of "great Floyds".


    I mean, please.
    Call me crazy, but during the Diver Down tour I noticed Ed's tone became very thin and the warmth he had on say the rhythm tracks for YRGM and Jamies Cryin became non exsistent. I personally blamed it on the chunk of wood carved out of Frankie to accomodate the Floyd. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ULTRAMAN VH View Post
    Call me crazy, but during the Diver Down tour I noticed Ed's tone became very thin and the warmth he had on say the rhythm tracks for YRGM and Jamies Cryin became non exsistent. I personally blamed it on the chunk of wood carved out of Frankie to accomodate the Floyd. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Crazy. And will correct you because you are indeed wrong. The standard Floyd rout is not that much bigger than a vintage Strat bridge, so no "chunk" of wood removed (that story refers to the Shark mutilation).

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    I like the brass one best too.
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    Am I the only one that thinks the tone in all three sucks? If you're interested in tone, drop the floyd rose.
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    Pretty much.

    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag View Post
    Am I the only one that thinks the tone in all three sucks?
    You're one of maybe two people out of a thousand or so to listen thus far...so, yeah -and since you're both trolls, does your opinion even count?


    If you're interested in tone, drop the floyd rose.
    Yeah, tell that to EVH and about a zillion other guitarists, Floyd-hater.

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    Correct me if I'm wrong, but his best tones were without the floyd. And now that hes devoted, how is his tone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blackflag View Post
    Correct me if I'm wrong, but his best tones were without the floyd.
    Depends on if the rumors of him switching out the Floyd for recording up until '84 are true...

    And now that hes devoted, how is his tone?
    Any qualms I'd have with his tone these days would have more to do with the current amp, wouldn't you agree?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Depends on if the rumors of him switching out the Floyd for recording up until '84 are true...
    You know the answer to that.


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    Any qualms I'd have with his tone these days would have more to do with the current amp, wouldn't you agree?
    I'd say 40/60, the amps and those lifeless shit basswood guitars he's been using.

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    Yeah, not sure even a Big-Block can help (B)asswood, that's for sure...

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    His tone for the last decade plus has been from his amps not his wonderful fingers. He is relying on the hi gain amps, and I feel he is lazy. He doesn't want to work as hard to push a plexi and pound on the strings. I doubt he hits the strings half as hard as he used to. I like the original 5150 for heavy stuff but not VH. Absoutely hate the 5150 III. What a horrible tone he had with VHIII. I can't blame the guitar, but I will blame the amp choice.
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    Talking Another soon-to-be believer...

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    Just driving a point home...


    Just wait until you hear it (y'know, even more like "in the room")...

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    I just saw the pics - nice Coyote!

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    Quote Originally Posted by indeedido View Post
    His tone for the last decade plus has been from his amps not his wonderful fingers. He is relying on the hi gain amps, and I feel he is lazy. He doesn't want to work as hard to push a plexi and pound on the strings. I doubt he hits the strings half as hard as he used to. I like the original 5150 for heavy stuff but not VH. Absoutely hate the 5150 III. What a horrible tone he had with VHIII. I can't blame the guitar, but I will blame the amp choice.
    Those evh/wolfgang guitars have shit tone. You can't really discount that.

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    Never liked the MusicMans, much less the Peaveys, haven't tried an FMIC one yet. I know the Frankie replicas supposedly have the Brass Big-Block but not sure about the production ones.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Never liked the MusicMans, much less the Peaveys, haven't tried an FMIC one yet. I know the Frankie replicas supposedly have the Brass Big-Block but not sure about the production ones.
    Dude, think of all the recordings you can think of, then ask yourself what kind of bridge they're using. Fuck, you're thick.

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    That's a good point: Ed hasn't used a big-block tremolo live or recorded.

    The only big-block currently in his employ in the shape of his head.

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