Hardrock69's Reefhead Madness Thread

[ELVIS]

[Seshmeister]

Who are 'they' who have done the linking with autism? That silly tart from Baywatch? Oprah? Seriously that is nonsense. Autism has been studied to incredible degrees and no one knows what causes it if it even is an it. Autism rises are due to diagnosis, when we were young they were called funny kids, oddballs, weird. The kid with the banjo in Deliverance would now be diagnosed with autism giving his village a scary 100% increase hotspot. 'We never had no autism back when we were fucking that guy in the woods in the 1970s!'

Kids with autism drank pasteurised milk before developing it because all kids drink milk at that age - correlation not causation.

Also it's ok to be against GM crops but you can only be against them in rich countries. Without them billions of people would die, it's that simple.

Fluoride in the water has been tested to super fuck and found to be fine; I wish we had it in our water but some mad old bat managed to win a legal case years ago.

Some of the other stuff you said is true, some unproven.

For example I sometimes had been buying the best quality but still worrying cheap frozen chicken burgers from the store until very recently. I would have one maybe once a month in an emergency. I had been avoiding McD's chicken for years because of the sludge thing but thought these were ok because they said chicken breast.

Anyhoo I noticed that the smaller than small print actually said pure chicken breast + marinade but when you go to the marinade ingredients expecting maybe some salt, spices, maybe a little oil it turned out it's chicken fat and cornstarch. Sneaky cunts.



I'm sure that the occasional one of these was doing me no harm but that's another thing off the menu.

[Seshmeister]

It's killing us all, by design...

Some of the stuff is killing us but it's by a lack of design or regulation.

And do you not support politicians who are trying to get rid of the very thin line of protection you have?

I don't get that big corporations will protect us from nasty public health doctors thing at all.

[chefcraig]

In a related story, the manufacturer of the pink slime image in Sesh's post filed for bankruptcy the other day. I saw the story yesterday morning in my local paper.

Pink Slime Bankruptcy: Ground Beef Processor Files For Chapter 11 After Heated Backlash

IBT

"Pink slime" is certainly not the way to America's heart or stomach; and one ground beef processor found that out the hard way.

AFA Foods filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy on Monday, saying the backlash over the meat filler dubbed "pink slime" hurt its business.

"An orderly sale through Chapter 11 will unlock value and provide a smooth transition for employees, customers and other business partners," Ronald Allen, interim chief executive of AFA Foods, said in a statement, according to Reuters.

The Prussia, Pennsylvania, company is one of the largest ground beef processors in the U.S., processing more than 500 million pounds of ground beef products each year, it said in documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Wilmington, Delaware, according to Reuters. In court documents, the company said, "recent changes in the market" have forced it to sale some or all of its assets; these "changes" were related to the public backlash against pink slime.

AFA said it has $219 million in assets and $197 million in liabilities. AFA also said it has secured a commitment for $56 million in debtor-in-possession financing from its lenders GE Capital and Bank of America. AFA, which is owned by Ron Burkle's investment firm, Yucaipa Cos., employs about 850 full-time employees and had revenue of $958 million, according to Bloomberg.

"Pink slime" is a mix of meat trimmings washed in ammonium hydroxide and used in fast food burger patties. It's called "finely textured beef" by meat processors; however, when the public got wind of what they were consuming at fast food chains like McDonald's, Burger King and Taco Bell in January, much harsher terms were used to describe the gooey, bubble gum-colored substance.

The term "pink slime" was first used by former USDA microbiologist, Gerajd Zirnstein, who included the phrase in a 2002 email to coworkers after taking a tour of a Beef Products Inc. plant. Celebrity chef Jamie Oliver made the "pink slime" term popular after using it during his show, "Food Revolution," last year. He decried the fatty, rejected meat and said that it's abhorrent for humans to eat this way.

"Basically, we're taking a product that would be sold at the cheapest form for dogs and after this process we can give it to human," Oliver said on his show.

"Why would any sensible human being want to put ammonia-filled meat into their children's mouths? The great American public needs to urgently understand what their food industry is doing," said Oliver.

"Pink slime" isn't only common in meat sold at fast food chains. Oliver said that it makes up 70 percent of the hamburger beef in America.

The backlash over "pink slime" impelled companies like BPI to half production at some of its plants in the U.S. and has led U.S. supermarket operations to say they'll stop buying the "pink slime" products. McDonald's, Burger King and Taco Bell also distanced themselves from the PR nightmare, stating that they would no longer accept the meat filler for their products.

"At the beginning of 2011, we made a decision to discontinue the use of ammonia-treated beef in our hamburgers," Todd Bacon, senior director of quality systems for McDonald's, said in a statement. "This product has been out of our supply chain since August of last year. This decision was a result of our efforts to align our global standards for how we source beef around the world."

AFA's bankruptcy filing is one more example of how far-reaching the "pink slime" controversy is, said Gary Acuff, director of the Center for Food Safety at Texas A&M University in College Station.

"The public view of this product is pretty damaged at this point," Acuff told Reuters. "I'm not sure they'll recover from something like this."

Jeremy Russell, of the National Meat Association, told Reuters, "This is certainly going to have an economic impact on the industry," affecting thousands of jobs, from cattle ranchers to meat processors.

[Seshmeister]

My picture came from a bunch of stories saying it was how they made McDonalds chicken nuggets.

http://www.tineye.com/search/c0c1c24dbd85ff96110c23758964ce866190f071/

McD's are shorthand in these arguments though, this is all about food being too cheap, it's not a conspiracy.

If you choose the kids meal option at Denny's or wherever and expect a main course, a drink and a sweet for ....

Hah! I went to check the latest price and it's free.

Ok so as I was saying, if you expect Denny's to feed your kids for nothing and you for a few bucks then you cannot be surprised when the free market and technology work out a way to do that using horrible bits of processed animals in such an ingenious way you don't vomit.

We need more regulation. 'But regulation pushes up prices' says Ron Paul and your answer at that point should be 'Fine, I fucking hope so'!

[chefcraig]

The whole pink slime issue has been pretty interesting to watch unravel. Do a Google search for Jamie Oliver - pink slime and you get all sorts of articles and video clips. Really, who thought that cutting beef with fucking ammonia was a good idea?

[Seshmeister]

Hollywood needs to make Pink Slime, the movie.

In 3D of course...

[chefcraig]

Hollywood needs to make Pink Slime, the movie.

In 3D of course...

Already been done about 4 times or so after Peter Sellers dropped dead, the last two of which inexplicably starred Steve Martin as Clouseau. This is pretty much as bad an idea as using ammonia as a food additive.

[kwame k]

n 1994, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) approved the use of the recombinant Bovine Growth Hormone (rBGH).

Bovine somatotropin (abbreviated bST and BST), or BGH, is a peptide hormone produced by the cow's pituitary gland.[1] Like other hormones, it is produced in small quantities and is used in regulating metabolic processes.[1] Since 1994 it has been possible to synthesize the hormone using recombinant DNA technology to create recombinant bovine somatotropin (rBST), recombinant bovine growth hormone (rBGH), or artificial growth hormone. Monsanto was the first to develop the technology and marketed it as "Posilac" - a brand now owned by Elanco Animal Health, a division of Eli Lilly and Company.

Posilac was banned from use in Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Japan, Israel and all European Union countries (currently numbering 27), by 2000 or earlier.

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Of greater concern is the fact that milk from rBGH-treated cows has higher levels of IGF-1, a hormone that normally helps some types of cells to grow. Several studies have found that IGF-1 levels at the high end of the normal range may influence the development of certain tumors. Some early studies found a relationship between blood levels of IGF-1 and the development of prostate, breast, colorectal, and other cancers, but later studies have failed to confirm these reports or have found weaker relationships. While there may be a link between IGF-1 blood levels and cancer, the exact nature of this link remains unclear.

Some studies have shown that adults who drink milk have about 10% higher levels of IGF-1 in their blood than those who drink little or no milk. But this same finding has also been reported in people who drink soymilk. This suggests that the increase in IGF-1 may not be specific to cow's milk, and may be caused by protein, minerals, or some other factors in milk unrelated to rBGH. There have been no direct comparisons of IGF-1 levels in people who drink ordinary cow's milk vs. milk stimulated by rBGH.

This study shows how the FDA only uses data from the companies' own research and not verified by independent research......link

Milk and Autism..

Findings from two animal studies indicate autism and schizophrenia may be linked to a person's inability to properly break down a protein found in milk. The digestive problem might actually lead to the disorders' symptoms, whose basis has long been debated. This research was done by a physiologist at the University of Florida Dr. J. Robert Cade.

When not broken down, the milk protein produces exorphins, morphine-like compounds that are then taken up by areas of the brain known to be involved in autism and schizophrenia, where they cause cells to dysfunction. The animal findings suggest an intestinal flaw, such as a malfunctioning enzyme, is to blame. Preliminary findings from that study -- which showed 95 percent of 81 autistic and schizophrenic children studied had 100 times the normal levels of the milk protein in their blood and urine -- have been presented at two international meetings in the past year but have not yet been published.

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[ZahZoo]

Fuckin' A right they are...

It's killing us all, by design...

LOL no one gets out of here alive... what exactly are you worrying about..?

Humans are living 2-3 times longer than we did just 100 years ago. The longevity factor continues to grow. All this fuss over these things is wasted time and energy...

We all fucking die... what does it matter of what does us in?

The statistics for brain or mental disorders are skewed... there really isn't any significant increase per capita. We're just reproducing at extremely high rates.

[kwame k]

Some of the stuff is killing us but it's by a lack of design or regulation.

And do you not support politicians who are trying to get rid of the very thin line of protection you have?

I don't get that big corporations will protect us from nasty public health doctors thing at all.

Somehow those people think that by saying regulation you are killing free enterprise......in a way, yes you are but that's only if you look at it from the bottom line, maximum profit to the corporations and overlook that producing cheap food has horrendous health benefits.

I could make a coffee creamer out of used oil and sell it for pennies compared to other creamers.....does that mean we should?

Trusting that the markets will regulate themselves is insane......how many decades did the tobacco companies know for a scientific fact that cigarettes caused cancer but covered it up!

Asbestos companies knew for how many decades that their product caused cancer?

Sure the market corrected itself after how many thousands of people died needlessly?

The way our food is grown and processed is causing serious health problems and no one really seems to care and yet the solutions some people are suggesting is to take away regulation to solve it

[jhale667]

Excellent point, Kwame...those calling for complete deregulation are morons - like any industry poisoning their customers and getting away with it (in some cases for decades) will ever suddenly develop a conscience and begin to police themselves...

[Jesus Christ]

Best dietary rule to live by- If Dad & I did not create it, then don't expect thy bodies to know what to do with it.

[kwame k]

Excellent point, Kwame...those calling for complete deregulation are morons - like any industry poisoning their customers and getting away with it (in some cases for decades) will ever suddenly develop a conscience and begin to police themselves...

Faced with the decision to retool or replace defective parts in cars.......an accountant came up with a formula that basically factored in recalls/retooling versus lawsuit payouts. The resulting formula was used to decide if it was cheaper to settle lawsuits than recall the defective problem, that the automaker should allow the defect and just settle the lawsuits as they came up.

Guess what stopped that practice?

Yep, regulation and not market correction

[kwame k]

Best dietary rule to live by- If Dad & I did not create it, then don't expect thy bodies to know what to do with it.

Yet, why all the restrictions on swine?