Stop Online Piracy Bill

[Unchainme]

This bill would establish a system for taking down websites that the Justice Department determines to be dedicated to copyright infringment. The DoJ or the copyright owner would be able to commence a legal action against any site they deem to have "only limited purpose or use other than infringement," and the DoJ would be allowed to demand that search engines, social networking sites and domain name services block access to the targeted site. It would also make unauthorized web streaming of copyrighted content a felony with a possible penalty up to five years in prison. This bill combines two separate Senate bills -- S.968 and S.978 -- into one big House bill.

http://www.opencongress.org/bill/112-h3261/show

THOSE FUCKING CUNTS.

[Unchainme]

http://americancensorship.org/infographic.html

[Kristy]

Looks like the RIAA and their cronies want some attention. but this is how it starts - most likely they would target blogs for music and then photos and then any opinion that might sponsor or promote terrorism. I don't know who is more paranoid anymore me or them.

[Satan]

This whole corporate greed fiction known as "intellectual property" is far more evil than any scheme I ever cooked up in the firey pits of Hell.

[Nitro Express]

We just need to realize we are the boss and all these fucks in Washington DC work for us. Fuck Em.

[Nitro Express]

This whole corporate greed fiction known as "intellectual property" is far more evil than any scheme I ever cooked up in the firey pits of Hell.

We might be sending some of those responsible down to you.

[Unchainme]

I also realized this...this also not only fucks over free speech, but the quality of music as well.

Every new group I've listened to wasn't discovered by some fuck head record exec, rather they used the internet to their advantage to push their music. I went to a concert in sept. featuring a rapper and a rn'b singer that dabbled into electronic music. Without word of mouth from things like twitter, youtube and torrenting, they would not have been able to play in front of like 3000 screaming fans.

Without the internet? Your music choices are nickelback caliber.

[Satan]

The thing that really curled my horns was the whole Metallica vs Napster thing.

These guys sold me their souls in 1982, then immediately turned around and recorded a demo tape called "No Life Till Leather" and openly encouraged their fans to bootleg the tape all up and down the West Coast. And this was in the cassette tape days, so by the time you're the third guy down the line to get a copy of this tape, it's already unlistenable. Without my help, I doubt they would have been signed at all, because a listenable copy of the tape would have never made it to Megaforce Records in NYC otherwise.

Napster, in its original configuration, made it possible for an up and coming band to circulate their demos as widely as Metallica did, in an obviously faster time frame, with no loss of sound quality, apart from the initial rip to a lossy MP3 format.

Would Lar$ and his pals have used Napster if it had existed in 1982? You can bet your soul on it.

[Blaze]

You do realize that you can sell or give away your work most any place now. Copyright protection keeps the likes of citibank from stealing from your IP.
If an artist wants to give away their work they can put it on their site.

Other than dropping docx there really is no need for massive torrent sites. And those can be dropped many many many ways, including forced injection for protection.

[knuckleboner]

This whole corporate greed fiction known as "intellectual property" is far more evil than any scheme I ever cooked up in the firey pits of Hell.

a system that doesn't protect intellectual property will denigrate into anarchy.

if i make a bunch of books, we all agree that you can't grab a bunch without paying and run off. but somehow, it's supposed to be different if those books are stored online? you should be able to do whatever you want with my online book?

just because the internet makes it really easy to steal things doesn't mean it's not theft.

[Unchainme]

a system that doesn't protect intellectual property will denigrate into anarchy.

if i make a bunch of books, we all agree that you can't grab a bunch without paying and run off. but somehow, it's supposed to be different if those books are stored online? you should be able to do whatever you want with my online book?

just because the internet makes it really easy to steal things doesn't mean it's not theft.

You're right about this, no one has ever taken a book to read without paying for it.

signed
Any given Public Library.

[Blaze]

You're right about this, no one has ever taken a book to read without paying for it.

signed
Any given Public Library.

If you steal from the library you are scumbag steve.
Libraries are availed on the web.
Please don't be a hateful mean no good bad news and steal from libraries; including mine.

[Unchainme]

If you steal from the library you are scumbag steve.
Libraries are availed on the web.
Please don't be a hateful mean no good bad news and steal from libraries; including mine.

A library is something where you're able to access materials that would normally be for a private use in a public setting. You can borrow a book for a few weeks or so, and then return it. You could in theory, if desired make a copy of the book for a friend if you had the finical means of doing it. or you could even, if desired scan it and keep it with you via an electronic means.

There was at last check, CD's available to borrow, and a few friends of mine would simply burn those rather than actually just going to bit torrent or limewire when I was in HS. There's DVD's and VHS's there as well so in theory with the correct hardware you could actually burn those and have those saved in capacity.

If these people were wise, they'd be embracing things like spotify which is a great system that's completely legal and free. Don't forget Hulu for tv shows. Peer to Peer is not going to disappear as much as those in the gov't want it to, and you know what? It's probably likely been around since someone invented a cassette player like FORD said.

BTW, enjoyed this argument that was given on lifehacker earlier:

The entertainment industry is "hurting" not because of illegal downloads and pirating. Its because what is constituted as entertainment now-a-days is complete and utter shit. To the point where no one wants to spend hard earn money on it or let alone get it for free. So because of this they want to hand over control to a bunch of whinny asshats, that instead of trying to figure out innovative new ways to catch our attention, they just want to herd us to their unoriginal dens to spend money on musicians that have no talent or a movie that has been remade 35 times or watch a show about a group people I have no interest in and avoid at all cost even in person?

And we have to argue that this wrong!? God I dont want to live on this planet anymore. (Edit comment)

You kill off torrenting and peer to peer you've closed of a significant avenue for musicians to make a name for themselves. Again, Rock N' Roll would be dead to me had I not been turned on to a group like the Black Keys who are from my hometown, who again made their name by being good enough to make a buzz on the web. Pathetically the two Clear Channel stations near me chose to played Disturbed, Nickelback and Staind, and the same shitty corporate rage-rock than someone who's actually really talented and right in their backyard.

Another example. My little bro is an electronic music addict. Digs Daft Punk, Justice, all those groups. Guess what? He can't find shit around here for music in the stores like Best Buy or even the local record store here. He'd had to turn yes, illegally downloading music, which a lot of those artists have no problem with. or him it's a great way to listen to these groups that he'd never get to listen to otherwise.

The internet is the last frontier for real artistic freedom in the realm of pop/rock/hip-hop/electronic music. MTV ain't it any more, nor is rock radio, nor is your local record shop. All three are dead mediums. I shutter at a world where this is taken away.

[Nitro Express]

Basically a bunch of crooks have taken over the government and now they are just stealing money out of people's accounts now. Basically their banking system is a failure so they are just going to grab assets illegally and roll over the constitution. So we just all need to band together and say fuck em! We don't need the money they print from nothing or their credit cards or their fucked up chain stores.

We don't need them but they think we still think we do. If we play our cards right we not only can beat these fucks but make a better situation in the end. The more they grab the more they expose themselves and the problem.

[Blaze]

Libraries pay extra for the right to lend media, including books. I about a 2 or 3 years ago, it was brought to my attention by a librarian, (the file has long since been archived, so I am going to have to discourse from memory)
As new media enters into the market place, such as ebooks and other electronic learning devices, libraries have a special concern when a hard copy book or other hard copy media is bought by a library the library pays more for the book that the consumer because the book will be going into circulation. Once the book or media is bought, they have the book or media; there will be no more cost associated with that material unless the material is destroyed or stolen. With new media, the issue arises that even though the library pays more for the material it is only allowed limited number of uses then they library must buy (correct word?) the material again.

This issue is being confused with the piracy issue. Freedom of information is necessary for unfettered study (of good and bad things)
Intellectual Freedom and Censorship Q & A

http://www.ala.org/ala/aboutala/offices/oif/basics/ifcensorshipqanda.cfm

Copyright infringement is a completely other matter. The entertainment industry includes you and I, not just corporate interests. That being said, it is important to note the copyrights of every person. It is also important to note that copyright laws and mores' vary across geo-political boundaries. Some areas of the world have no copyright laws or mores at all.
One aspect of copyright infringement deals with the mass theft by large corporation of media of so-called orphan work.
Read this to familiarize you with the concept:

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/03/orphan_rights/

I often orphan work; I do so for a reason and do not want the work exploited.

In conclusion, copyright infringement should not be confused with freedom of information.

People, including artist like Van Halen and Paul McCartney, should have the rights to their works for their use. In other words, Paul should be able to have a say in where his work will be exploited and availed for his own exploitation. In addition, as the article pointed out copy right protection is important to every person on the planet. Moreover, the protection of one's work should be a fundamental human right.

I have the right to my works or the right to bastardize it for its life. Intellectual property rights should indeed be fought for and indeed you and I should have a judicial means of law enforcement.

Freedom of information, including poor quality, indeed should be defended.

Sources:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_rights_management

http://www.ala.org/ala/aboutala/offices/oif/basics/ifcensorshipqanda.cfm

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/17/BUO81M043R.DTL&ao=2

http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_product=BN&p_theme=bn&p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&p_topdoc=1&p_text_direct-0=0FBEB4E2DA678106&p_field_direct-0=document_id&p_perpage=10&p_sort=YMD_date:D&s_trackval=GooglePM

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/11/03/orphan_rights/

http://newlearninginstitute.org/blog/new-media-and-chicago-public-library-interview-mary-dempsey-part-i

http://www.ala.org/ala/mgrps/divs/acrl/standards/mediaresources.cfm

http://ussan.org/standards/home/isbn/resources/index.asp#ISSN