Yeah, but for your tour to be a financial success people have to have heard of you...which usually means you need to have had a song or album that charted, which means enough people would have had to buy it legitimately.Originally Posted by Nickdfresh
Although, I think there's actually more money in merchandising and publishing than touring. Dunno if someone could answer that one...?
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I'm sorry. I'll be sure to get my PHd in MP3ology for you next time.
You do that.
I just might.
You Jimmy Chu girl you
Oh dear.
A notion completely contradicted by this study: http://www.rotharmy.com/forums/showt...e-Record-Sales
Look see! You got your boots!. OMGosh, though, did you have to walk on something other than carpet???
Cool boots no matter.
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I could easily find a study that contradicts that. Possibly even one that was written less than 7 years ago. That's the great thing about studies, nobody knows what the fuck they're doing.
Just finding a correlation doesn't prove anything. All that study proves to me is that the Top 25 albums are the most popular albums. Which I could find out by looking at the charts. Furthermore, that study requires us to believe that human beings are trustworthy and honest, and I sure as hell am not prepared to believe that.
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I'm sure you could pull one out of some record exec's bleeding asshole...
A rather arrogant thing to say coming from a guy who just flamed someone here for being "uniformed?" So, how does one inform themselves in your little world? Believing fucking Pete Townsend speeches? Is that the basis of your opinion, how some relic feels about it?That's the great thing about studies, nobody knows what the fuck they're doing.
Neither do Pete Townsend speeches...Just finding a correlation doesn't prove anything....
relic, that's rich! lol
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Another one of those classic genius posts, sure to generate responses. You log on the next day to see what your witty gem has produced to find no one gets it and 2 knotheads want to stick their dicks in it... Well played, sir!!
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Rods and relics! That's a combo!
I never claimed anything I said to be fact.
I'm just looking for a healthy discussion. I'm not being arrogant, just adding different sides to the argument, rather than resorting to cheap tactics...like insinuating that people get their stats and info from a single source. But I WILL apologise for not being as childish as some of the forty-somethings on here for calling people names and providing no interesting points and shit.
You seem to think that Pete Townshend is the only person I get my info and stats from. No. He's just one of the highest profiles (and one of the most experienced in the industry...especially much more so than you or I)...like when he was arrested under Operation Ore, which a lot of people couldn't be arsed researching properly, preferring to believe the mainstream press.
I achieved my degree fairly recently (media & radio). If I went to my academic "superiors" with a study that was 7 years out of date for a subject that was as fast moving as technology...I would be laughed out of there and told to find more up-to-date studies. Show me a study that is more recent that shows the same conclusions and I will gladly say "fair fucks"...though, despite that, I could still easily find a study that says the opposite. Governments do it all the time to support their more unpopular policies.
Funny how you didn't find an interesting argument/point against the points I argued against in your arguments (that's a lot of "arguments" in one sentence), isn't it? All that study you posted really proves is that the top 25 albums are the top 25 albums. Take everything that was concrete in that article out of context...and that is all we know for sure...
I think it's Choo, Jimmy Choo. And I'd would never wear his overpriced crap. Renzi, L&R or Prada is the way to go (Fyre in the wintertime).
As for Townshend, he is and always has been an media whore. How many times did he say "This is the last tour of The Who" since 1978? Nowadays he is a deaf babbling buffoon. Hardly one would consider a "source" for well, much of anything. His music insight lately is about as blind as a bat on a telephone poll in a blizzard. Now, if he can only be mute...
But you're wearing them in your avatar!
I was doing a dog parody of stores and his line became "Jimmy Chew"
It should be Jimmy Chit
Pls explain. Chit for money perhaps? I know I'm no fun when I don't get the joke.
The Joe Thunder Posse sez: "Yo, go ahead and pirate our shit. At least that way we know someone's listening to it!"
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"If the American people had ever known the truth about what we (the BCE) have done to this nation, we would be chased down in the streets and lynched." - Poppy Bush, 1992
I just think his shoes are overpriced and awful - crap for smug celebrities on red carpets
Once...as far as I know. 1982: "So long, can't wait for it to be over". I believe subsequently when they got back together it was because Entwistle was in debt...not saying this is concrete, but I've not heard anything from that period where he says "this is the last time". (Though I might well be wrong...cos I've not heard any interviews with him from the late 80s).
Late 90s Quadropehnia tour was only branded "The Who" by promoters...initially it was not supposed to be an official "Who" tour, but rather a "Quadrophenia" production. After that, not once heard him say "now it's over". If anything, he seemed to be rejuvinated by touring under "The Who" banner.
As far as I know, he has never denied being a media whore either. Much in the same way David Lee Roth is a media whore. And a much worse attention whore than Pete Townshend (not knocking him for it, but let's face facts...the man will do anything for attention).
*I still maintain that "The Who" in Liverpool 2006 was the best show I've ever attended thus far (though, it was a case where something was just "in the air" that night...which Daltrey has referred to in post-show non-Liverpool interviews as just "one of those nights")
Roth toyed with the media in just about any interview I have ever watched of the guy. Townshend wanted it to kiss his limey ass. Big diffy
I always found Townsend to be creepy. I appreciate what he did as a guitarist but I never bought his excuse for having a computer loaded with child porn as being research. The man has issues. Creepy and disturbing issues.
I wouldn't say the dude is creepy - but he is a pseudo-intellect.
MP3's = sound like bird shit hitting the windshield.
there, you passed.
I think Chit is Shit with a Cheech accent.
bump.
anyone check out google and wikipedia today?.
Still waiting for a relevant Browns Team
Going to a 1984 like set up to run the internet is a fucked up system, and yes, that is indeed what keeps coming to mind.
We should indeed to try to keep certain things within the law of the united states, but it shouldn't be because a few rich companies are losing money.
Law's should not be created for that intent. nor should politicians be receiving millions from big corporations while often times not doing what's best for this country.
Dear FORD,
Today hundreds of websites — including Wikipedia, reddit, BoingBoing, FreePress.net and SavetheInternet.com — have gone dark. They’re protesting the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA) and the Protect IP Act (PIPA), bills in the House and Senate that could open the door to widespread Internet censorship.
Thousands of supporters of the open Internet will soon rally in New York and San Francisco to urge their senators to stand up and oppose this legislation.
Together we’re putting the brakes on the Hollywood-fueled momentum of these bills. But they’re not dead yet — and the Senate is voting on PIPA next week.
Pick up the phone and urge your senators to vote "no" on the Protect IP Act. We’ve created a new site that lists where every senator stands on PIPA and provides a simple script to help you make the call.
Last week the White House said it would not support any legislation that "reduces freedom of expression" or "undermines the dynamic, innovative global Internet." Today even Google altered its valuable homepage to black out its logo and include a note protesting SOPA and PIPA. And millions of Internet users have taken action to tell Congress that any bills that compromise our ability to speak freely online must be rejected.
Now it’s time to start lighting up the phones on Capitol Hill before the Senate votes next week.
Call your senators and tell them: Vote "no" on the Protect IP Act.
Let’s bury these bills.
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P.S. To learn more about the blackout and the growing open Internet movement, read the piece by Free Press' Tim Karr today in the Huffington Post: "Why We Go Black": http://act2.freepress.net/go/8201?ak...857.Mpqhux&t=6
1. Check out the full list of blackout participants here: http://act2.freepress.net/go/8178?ak...857.Mpqhux&t=8.
2. Victoria Espinel, Aneesh Chopra and Howard Schmidt, "Combating Online Piracy While Protecting an Open and Innovative Internet": http://act2.freepress.net/go/8177?ak...57.Mpqhux&t=10
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Good Job Ford, this one would put us out of business big time.
http://stopthewall.us/artists/
An open letter to Washington from Artists and Creators
We, the undersigned, are musicians, actors, directors, authors, and producers. We make our livelihoods with the artistic works we create. We are also Internet users.
We are writing to express our serious concerns regarding the PROTECT IP Act (PIPA) and the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA).
As creative professionals, we experience copyright infringement on a very personal level. Commercial piracy is deeply unfair and pervasive leaks of unreleased films and music regularly interfere with the integrity of our creations. We are grateful for the measures policymakers have enacted to protect our works.
We, along with the rest of society, have benefited immensely from a free and open Internet. It allows us to connect with our fans and reach new audiences. Using social media services like Facebook, Twitter and YouTube, we can communicate directly with millions of fans and interact with them in ways that would have been unimaginable just a few years ago.
We fear that the broad new enforcement powers provided under SOPA and PIPA could be easily abused against legitimate services like those upon which we depend. These bills would allow entire websites to be blocked without due process, causing collateral damage to the legitimate users of the same services - artists and creators like us who would be censored as a result.
We are deeply concerned that PIPA and SOPA's impact on piracy will be negligible compared to the potential damage that would be caused to legitimate Internet services. Online piracy is harmful and it needs to be addressed, but not at the expense of censoring creativity, stifling innovation or preventing the creation of new, lawful digital distribution methods.
We urge Congress to exercise extreme caution and ensure that the free and open Internet, upon which so many artists rely to promote and distribute their work, does not become collateral damage in the process.
Respectfully,
Aziz Ansari
Kevin Devine, Musician
Barry Eisler, Author
Neil Gaiman, Author
Lloyd Kaufman, Filmmaker
Zoë Keating, Musician
The Lonely Island
Daniel Lorca, Musician (Nada Surf)
Erin McKeown, Musician
MGMT
Samantha Murphy, Musician
OK Go
Amanda Palmer, Musician (The Dresden Dolls)
Quiet Company
Trent Reznor
Adam Savage, Special Effects Artist (MythBusters)
Hank Shocklee, Music Producer (Public Enemy, The Bomb Squad)
Johnny Stimson, Musician
Common sense says that there's a reason why folks like Samberg and Ansari (HILLARIOUS comedian) don't support this.
Simple, they make money off of things that are released online. The Lonely Island has made Samberg a household name, and that's mainly due to the fact of the viral videos he's made. Would the guy be getting bit parts in movies now, or opprotunities to go on a wide arrange of things without that medium? hell 2 da naw.
As said before, the best way for the RIAA or MPAA to even remotely survive is to try to adapt to the internet, not fight it. Streaming services like Spotify (free streaming music where you can pick the tracks out and make your own playlist with limited commercial interuptions), and NetFlix are great things to use and don't take up a lot of space on your computer.
and another point to be made?
Perhaps it's time that you upped your game and stopped putting out crap in almost every medium available and give me more reasons to hit the movie theatre than to see a terrible remake or a fucking michael bay movie.
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Ironically enough, Samberg's "day job" (actually it's a night job, one night a week) is for SNL, which is completely ANAL about removing any clips (whether current material or really old stuff) from YouTube.
It's not so bad for the recent stuff, since Hulu has it all anyway, but good luck trying to find any classic stuff from the past, like that gay beer commercial that used VH songs, or the uncensored version of "Abu Dhabi Kids Network"/"Saddam & Osama" cartoon.
the pain in the ass is, that ever since Comedy Central lost the fucking rights, I've not been able to watch any of the classic episodes for a long ass time. (save for the packaged "Best of" eps. which aren't bad, but leave a lot to be desired.).
The NFL is a pain in the ass about it too. I mean, how the fuck am I supposed to find old Browns games? It's not like those have a chance to be bought again, and it's not like I'm doing it to purposely try to take money out of the league. In fact, if anything, it reminds me of what the team once was or the good memories I have associated it with and motivates me to buy a ticket for a game.
I'm very worried about the legislation too. It's really starting to bite the freedom of speech if it will happen. And in the long run, human rights in general.
We're having finnish internet connection providers blocking Pirate Bay already, plus some other sites. Well, that is about pathetic attempts to stop piracy, but practically there's a lot of same insane censorship there. Plus, of course, people can still access those sites via those providers, as long as they use IP/Proxy mixers. Plus they accidentally banned sites that try to STOP child porn and the website of the finnish "Pirate party", a small but active political party.
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Much like yourself as the Jim Morrison of Nazi bunker flies
It's more like free press. It maybe a double standard but the likes of Reznor doesn't have to pay a label press agent to promote his latest crap that's being "pirated" on YouTube does for him at no additional cost. The people who are truly hurting in this are not so much the artist but the suits who own the artist; the RIAA has been pushing for a shutdown of many sites for years claiming in "infringes" upon this or that when what it does infringe upon is their greedy pockets.
So what they do is go about this the pussy way - you don't see the suits at RIAA going after the engineers of the iPod, or Adobe flash player instead they go after those who make those inventions work or utilize them in a way that leaves the suits shut out from making further profit. This is why you have the assholes at Viacom trying up the courts with bullshit lawsuits against YouTube; they can't own it, they can't benefit off it, they can't stop so their own option is to shut it down.
Agree with what Kristy said.
It's never really the artist who get that pissed off to it, rather the middle man stomping his feet like a toddler as his role in the production of media. They're not making money, thus they're pissed.
The artists are FINE. Go watch any episode of cribs and you'll see my point.
As for bit torrent and pirate bay, I fail to see how if something is given away FOR FREE is terrible and equated with something that is either STOLEN or Bought and then charged for money. That's how the law should be.
Thom Hartmann was commenting on this fascist bullshit this morning. The guy has written literally dozens of books, and he says they actually sell better when all or part of them are "pirated" online.
He "pirated" his own book, one chapter a week, on Truthout.org last year. It took some negotiations with his publisher to get it done, but it worked - he sold alot of books that way. People would read a chapter online and decide they didn't want to wait a week to read another one. And for people who couldn't afford to buy the book, for whatever reason (which in the current fucked economy is probably a lot of people) the information was there, a little piece at a time. Seems to be a win-win situation for all.
Just heard some info on The Young Turks that I wasn't aware of......
Guess who the MPAA fascists' lobbyist is in Washington DC?
Christopher Fucking Dodd.
Yeah that's right... the same DLC douchebag who, while masquerading as a "Democratic" Senator, managed to water down both health care reform AND financial reform to where both were usless in name only "reforms" completely controlled by the corporations.
This bastard really needs to be tried for treason, then executed on live TV when he's found guilty.
do you actually think stronger health care reform would've passed the house? it was like pulling teeth to get a majority. the house version that had a public option passed because they could pull in a few of the anti-abortion dems with the stupak-pitts amendment. nothing stronger could've passed.
as for SOPA, does it go too far in requiring small businesses to police and shut down access to various websites? yeah, maybe. but that doesn't change the fact that if somebody legally owns the right to a property, it should be their choice how that property is accessed, or isn't accessed.
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