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    Can Science Predict a Hit Song?

    http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...cience+News%29


    ScienceDaily (Dec. 16, 2011) — Most people remember listening to the official UK top 40 singles chart and watching the countdown on Top of the Pops, but can science work out which songs are more likely to 'make it' in the chart?

    New research has looked at whether a song can be predicted to be a 'hit'.

    The paper, to be presented at an international workshop this week, argues that predicting the popularity of a song may well be feasible by using state-of-the-art machine learning algorithms. The research team, led by Dr Tijl de Bie, is based in the University of Bristol's Intelligent Systems Laboratory in the Faculty of Engineering.

    The team looked at the official UK top 40 singles chart over the past 50 years. Their aim was to distinguish the most popular (peak position top five) songs from less popular singles (peak position 30 to 40). A website, ScoreAHit, about the research is available at scoreahit.com/

    The researchers used musical features such as, tempo, time signature, song duration and loudness. They also computed more detailed summaries of the songs such as harmonic simplicity, how simple the chord sequence is, and non-harmonicity, how 'noisy' the song is.

    A 'hit potential equation' that scores a song according to its audio features was devised. The equation works by looking at all the UK hits for a certain time and measuring their audio features. From this the researchers had a list of weights, telling then how important each of the 23 features was and allowing them to compute a score for a song.

    The team found they could classify a song into a 'hit' or 'not hit' based on its score, with an accuracy rate of 60 per cent as to whether a song will make it to top five, or if it will never reach above position 30 on the UK top 40 singles chart.

    Dr Tijl De Bie, Senior Lecturer in Artificial Intelligence, said: "Musical tastes evolve, which means our 'hit potential equation' needs to evolve as well. Indeed, we have found the hit potential of a song depends on the era. This may be due to the varying dominant music style, culture and environment."

    The study found some interesting trends, such as:

    Before the eighties, the danceability of a song was not very relevant to its hit potential. From then on, danceable songs were more likely to become a hit. Also the average danceability of all songs on the charts suddenly increased in the late seventies.
    In the eighties slower musical styles (tempo 70-89 beats per minute), such as ballads, were more likely to become a hit.
    The prediction accuracy of the researchers' hit potential equation varies over time. It was particularly difficult to predict hits around 1980. The equation performed best in the first half of the nineties and from the year 2000. This suggests that the late seventies and early eighties were particularly creative and innovative periods of pop music.
    Up until the early nineties, hits were typically harmonically simpler than other songs of the era. On the other hand, from the nineties onward hits more commonly have simpler, binary, rhythms such as 4/4 time.
    On average all songs on the chart are becoming louder. Additionally, the hits are relatively louder than the songs that dangle at the bottom of the charts, reflected by a strong weight for the loudness feature.

    The results of the study differ from previous research, which has so far not been shown to predict hit potential. A possibly important qualitative difference with previous studies is the use of the time-shifting perceptron to account for evolving musical taste.

    The MML 2011 4th International Workshop on Machine Learning and Music: Learning from Musical Structure held in conjunction with the 25th Annual Conference on Neural Information Processing Systems will be held in Sierra Nevada, Spain on Saturday December 17.


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    It's all very random, Jump but my theory would be that to get the lowest common denominator it is surprisingly often songs where the verse and the chorus are the same musically eg Jump, The Most Beautiful Girl in the World, Pink etc etc.
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    Thing is, it is up to human perception, not machine thinking. You can have all the parameters necessary (according to the machine) for a song to be a hit, but that is no guarantee the public will like it. Or it might come down to other circumstances like, it is not marketed correctly. Or world events may reduce public interest in the song for whatever reason.

    So really it is just kind of pie in the sky....gambling, like any songwriter does when trying to make a hit song.

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    They took some of the scientific methods used in studying nature and applied them into developing better selling products. This is called market research. It's an extensive program using statistical analysis from various samples to creating new products that better serve particular niches in the market place. That being said, 93% of new products fail. So no science isn't good at predicting human nature or anything that contains a huge amount of variables. The first problem is always getting an accurate sample. Like a function the math always spits out garbage if the variable input is garbage. Science is really good at measuring things that are static or slow to change. Things that have obvious cause and affect relationships. Not compulsive and irrational emotional responses.

    Saying science can predict human nature is like saying science can figure out women. LOL!

    Science is really good at measuring and making a regressive and progressive analysis on the physical but lousy at understanding the emotional. Two different universes and so using the same tools just doesn't work. In short, market research has proven to be a huge failure. Coke probably spent millions of dollars to determine that painting their holiday cans white would be a good idea.
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    But Todd Rundgren figured the same thing out years ago...or so he said.
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    grate thread! there are sequences that are pleasing to humans... I V vi IV, or I V ii IV.

    LINK: dan the man, levitan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post

    Saying science can predict human nature is like saying science can figure out women. LOL!

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    Very cool topic. Enjoying this thread.
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    i should've pointed out that that 'dan the man' thing in my post is a wiki link.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ashstralia View Post
    i should've pointed out that that 'dan the man' thing in my post is a wiki link.
    Fixed, ash.
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