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    Quote Originally Posted by ThatArtGuy View Post
    Yeah, my wife inadvertently laughed at me when I had my emotional response to listening to the album for the first time. (She quickly apologized.) However, I knew exactly where to go to find people that were experincing the exact same thing as me.
    I totally get you on this one! I will never forget getting Tattoo from iTunes in New Zealand (I think?) the day before the official release. I literally ran in the door from work, straight to the computer. Had to get the kiddies to basketball practice - burned the song on a disc for the car ride. Listened over and over again, screaming and yelling and crying like a 15 year old girl. Then after they went to bed that night, put it on repeat while cleaning up. My husband came home from work and found me sweeping the floor while also twirling around like a freakin' ballerina in the kitchen and singing every word with tears in my eyes and a huge grin on my face! He still says it scared him a bit, but I think he knows by now that VH is really my only little pocket of insanity - other than that, I'm fairly normal
    The next morning I listened to Tattoo on repeat for 45 minutes while on the stairmaster, and then all the way to and from work. Such great memories I will always treasure. And thankfully I had all of you guys who were as emotional and crazy as I was and who I knew totally got me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fourthcoming View Post
    Maybe it wasn't the back end of the tour, I could have sworn someone saying in a thread they played it one nigh. I wanna say Pittsburgh maybe? I don't think it was long after the A.C. show I went to. I thought they played it maybe 2 or 3 times....but not certain.
    I'm pretty sure I was here for just about every show. I don't remember them playing it again, but I think there may have been a post about it on twitter during one of the shows that turned out to be a mistake. Have a vague recollection of that - was also drinking during just about every gig night here as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    I don't believe so bro...
    They definitely played Blood and Fire on the road. I can't recall the exact show at the moment, but my buddy called me and let me hear it.. It may have happened like 2-3 times, tops.
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    We should look back over the show threads and see - maybe they did play it another time - I vaguely recall it not sounding too good.

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    Now you mention it am pretty sure they did
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    Am pretty show I've got the boot of the gig they played it am wracking my brains, and yeah it wasn't great .
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    Quote Originally Posted by vandeleur View Post
    Awesome find! That was bugging me. I was about to search YouTube. Thanks!

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    Well then, I stand corrected....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Momshell View Post
    We should look back over the show threads and see - maybe they did play it another time - I vaguely recall it not sounding too good.
    maybe they have it listed here http://www.setlist.fm/setlists/van-h...6.html...sorry I cant search it right now...hope this helps...Is it just me or its snowing on my screen?
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    FWIW, they also played Blood and Fire in Pittsburgh and DC...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Va Beach VH Fan View Post
    Only time they played it on the tour was at the Forum rehearsal....
    I don't think that's true...
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    Boy, this is hard to watch...





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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    FWIW, they also played Blood and Fire in Pittsburgh and DC...
    I should have read the thread first, eh ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ELVIS View Post
    Boy, this is hard to watch...




    That Forum version was terrible and honestly, none of the few tour versions were all that great, which was too bad, since it's such a good tune. In fairness to Dave (if you want to call it that!), he was off that whole Pittsburgh show, which is just my luck- the boot quality itself is great, but Dave wasn't!

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    I blame the headset mic!
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    I still don't think that any of the "Blood and Fire" performances sounded bad at all in comparison with the rest of the songs. I don't understand what everyone is talking about--both here and the VH Forums.
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    To be honest, I distinctly remember at the Forum show that it sounded a little shaky, but I was having too much fun....

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    Dave gets everything just aligned right he can sing Blood and Fire and did great on the record but live nothing is ever just right. Totally different one take in the middle of two hours. It should have been re-arranged live so he could do it in a lower range. He simply can't do it live as written and tries to compensate by going high and it does not work. Great song great vocal in the studio but live was a wee bit optimistic but kudos for trying it.
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    The problem with most of the new material being performed live is the simple fact that the music and vocals were composed and recorded separately... You can hear it in every new song they've performed. Ed, Wolf, & Al are tighter than a duck's ass in frigid water.

    Why? Because they practiced and composed together for months before any of this went to the studio. Most of Dave's contributions were phoned in separately by himself in the studio... then the music was tweaked to fill a few rough spots.

    A few cursory rehearsals prior to the tour got em tuned up for the classics and sorta primed for the new stuff. But is clearly was evident the weak link for the new material live was all Dave. Look at the sound checks and the teases that came there... all that was missing was the singer.
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    Agreed, they used to cut the songs live in the studio as a group. Dave now needs multiple takes to do the vocals and any given song on ADKOT is probably different takes cut and pasted together to get a good track. His singing was the weak link this time around, and there are some YouTubes where he was terrible. Just terrible.
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    I didn't mean to imply that Dave's singing ability alone was suspect... beyond his pushing high registered vocals his physical body can't produce. His creative compositions are all still stellar.

    The root of my criticism stems from a question I posed in the Roth Show thread... why has Dave become such a minimalist when it comes to collaboration?

    Is it a mode of operation that he just finds comfortable due to too many years as a soloist, big star, band leader with hired help? Or... Is he too much of a hyperactive personality to be around for extended periods where collaborative creativity suffers among his contemporaries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZahZoo View Post
    ... Is he too much of a hyperactive personality to be around for extended periods where collaborative creativity suffers among his contemporaries?
    I honestly think that the less time dave is around The sisters the less time there is to ruffle feathers, Being around someone as in your face as dave could be draining for some people and create conflict , and maybe dave knows that.

    To totally contradict that and to go back to one of your previous posts , I watched Charlotte 2007 on xmas day trying out some new kit the kids had got .
    I was shocked or had forgotten how great dave was and how comfortable he was with his voice and range .And at the press conference for the 2007 shows didnt dave mention that they had all put in more practice that year than he had done for 20 summers so i assume that was as a unit and his voice hadnt suffered as a result and they didnt all fall out .

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    This tour was under rehearsed and rushed. They were in great spirits, were more of a band than 2007 and played well but they got stronger as they went on because they simply were not ready on day 1. It was still more enjoyable to see them having fun together for a change.

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    Might want to continue this in the tour thread I started...

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    Quote Originally Posted by chuckjitsu View Post
    That Forum version was terrible and honestly, none of the few tour versions were all that great, which was too bad, since it's such a good tune. In fairness to Dave (if you want to call it that!), he was off that whole Pittsburgh show, which is just my luck- the boot quality itself is great, but Dave wasn't!
    Dave was also "off" in Buffalo. I think he was sick and was nursing his voice. We'll see if the singing improves if the mojo shin dig ever kicks off again...
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