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    ron paul=awesome/kickass?

    http://www.mrdestructo.com/2011/12/g...-ron-paul.html

    long read..but...holy shit.

    dude reads like an even more fucked up version of pRick perry.
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    While it's true that these allegations about Ron Paul have been out there for years, it's probably the Newt camp that's pushing this right now, out of desperation. Newt's been bashing him in just about every way possible on FAUX and anywhere else somebody sticks a camera in his face.

    I wonder when Newt will accuse Romney of the same thing, basing it on the long standing Mormon doctrine that black folks are descendants of the 1/3 of the angels who were too lazy to fight Satan?
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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    While it's true that these allegations about Ron Paul have been out there for years, it's probably the Newt camp that's pushing this right now, out of desperation. Newt's been bashing him in just about every way possible on FAUX and anywhere else somebody sticks a camera in his face.

    I wonder when Newt will accuse Romney of the same thing, basing it on the long standing Mormon doctrine that black folks are descendants of the 1/3 of the angels who were too lazy to fight Satan?
    Actually Mormon Doctrine at least when I was a kid taught dark skin was a curse. The Africans were black because they were descendants of Cain. The native Americans were dark skinned because they were descendants of Laman who in the Book of Mormon was the bad guy. What's funny is suddenly the Mormon prophet had a revelation to allow people of color the priesthood after the BYU sports teams were getting protested on the road due to the church's prejudice against dark skinned people. Then if you go to Temple Square in Salt Lake City they always have some black missionaries there. They seem to like to have cute females. They also seem to like to have dark skinned missionaries in areas where they have a high Mormon population. It's all to create the illusion it's an international church now so the dolts think it's carrying forth the gosphel so they continue to give their money to the mormon god. Lately the new Mormon fad is to adopt a black kid from Haiti. So in the future lots of white geeky Mormon families are going to have at least one black kid. I notice they are phasing out Brigham Young and reinventing Joseph Smith now. Most of the old prejudice teachings were actually taught by Brigham Young. It's interesting how the unchanging gosphel of God constantly changes with the times to survive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    Actually Mormon Doctrine at least when I was a kid taught dark skin was a curse. The Africans were black because they were descendants of Cain. The native Americans were dark skinned because they were descendants of Laman who in the Book of Mormon was the bad guy. What's funny is suddenly the Mormon prophet had a revelation to allow people of color the priesthood after the BYU sports teams were getting protested on the road due to the church's prejudice against dark skinned people. Then if you go to Temple Square in Salt Lake City they always have some black missionaries there. They seem to like to have cute females. They also seem to like to have dark skinned missionaries in areas where they have a high Mormon population. It's all to create the illusion it's an international church now so the dolts think it's carrying forth the gosphel so they continue to give their money to the mormon god. Lately the new Mormon fad is to adopt a black kid from Haiti. So in the future lots of white geeky Mormon families are going to have at least one black kid. I notice they are phasing out Brigham Young and reinventing Joseph Smith now. Most of the old prejudice teachings were actually taught by Brigham Young. It's interesting how the unchanging gosphel of God constantly changes with the times to survive.
    The descendants of Cain argument never made a lot of sense. Because if you presume that Cain and his descendants were made black after Cain killed his brother, then those same descendants would have been wiped out in the Noah's Ark flood, as Noah and his family were descendants of Seth, Adam & Eve's third son.

    Not that the "Mark of Cain" thing originated in the Mormon church, of course. Probably still some fundagelical churches down south preaching that same racial lie.

    The "too lazy to fight Satan" argument must have been before your time in the church, but apparently that was the original explanation that Joe Smith came up with....


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    The GOP is the epitome of fucked right now FORD..

    there's no way any of these clowns beat obama. none.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Unchainme View Post
    The GOP is the epitome of fucked right now FORD..

    there's no way any of these clowns beat obama. none.
    i could not say it any better if i tried.
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    Obama's COS resigned due to infighting and turmoil in his cabinet ...

    O may have the media in his pocket but ..

    The large % of African Americans that voted for him last election may not come out to support him due to lack of fulfilling campaign promises and high unemployment(also many were not regular voters and the urgency to elect the 1st black president isn't there this time) .. the educated independents and the youth vote that got behind BO last election are leaning Paul

    Many blacks, when they hear Paul criticize drug laws as racist, as he cites the disproportionate # of blacks serving time for drug arrests and convictions- even though arrests for AA and whites are about = %,... of those serving time - the black% is much greater .. Obama is not seeking to reform drug laws and address those concerns as Paul is ..

    seems Paul may be a spoiler and split the vote ..

    Also keep in mind - Romney may be Mormon and believe in Jesus - Christians don't necessarily accept the claim of Mormons as Christian due to the Mormon sect being the only sect to follow Jesus and not accept the nicene creed - I am not a religious nut - but to those that follow politics and the trend of voter demographics have pointed that out as to why romney is only garnering 25-30% of the right vote - which means 70-75% do not support him

    Politics is math - If Romney gains 25-30% of the vote and O gets 30-35% - Paul could pull an upset with 35-40%

    But .. the popular vote only means so much - the electoral college has it's say in the matter too .. 2012 will be an interesting election fo' sho'

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    The GOP is the epitome of fucked right now FORD..

    there's no way any of these clowns beat obama. none.
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    Paul's "rationalization/explanation" for those vile posts is pretty lame too. Sorry buddy, if you don't pay attention to what goes out in a newsletter with your name on it, you're clearly not qualified to run the country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Paul's "rationalization/explanation" for those vile posts is pretty lame too. Sorry buddy, if you don't pay attention to what goes out in a newsletter with your name on it, you're clearly not qualified to run the country.
    bingo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Paul's "rationalization/explanation" for those vile posts is pretty lame too. Sorry buddy, if you don't pay attention to what goes out in a newsletter with your name on it, you're clearly not qualified to run the country.
    Good point, I'm sure we should all hold David Lee Roth accountable for everything that is written on a message board bearing his name, especially since we're getting some attention and official recognition these days! I'm sure he reads it all and would have publically disavowed anything he disagreed with.
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    Austin NAACP President Nelson Linder, who has known Ron Paul for 20 years, unequivocally dismissed charges that the Congressman was a racist in light of recent smear attempts, and said the reason for him being attacked was that he was a threat to the establishment.

    Linder joined Alex Jones for two segments on his KLBJ Sunday show this evening, during which he commented on the controversy created by media hit pieces that attempted to tarnish Paul as a racist by making him culpable for decades old newsletter articles written by other people.

    "Knowing Ron Paul's intent, I think he is trying to improve this country but I think also, when you talk about the Constitution and you constantly criticize the federal government versus state I think a lot of folks are going to misconstrue that....so I think it's very easy for folks who want to to take his position out of context and that's what I'm hearing," said Linder.

    "Knowing Ron Paul and having talked to him, I think he's a very fair guy I just think that a lot of folks do not understand the Libertarian platform," he added.

    Asked directly if Ron Paul was a racist, Linder responded "No I don't," adding that he had heard Ron Paul speak out about police repression of black communities and mandatory minimum sentences on many occasions.

    Dr. Paul has also publicly praised Martin Luther King as his hero on many occasions spanning back 20 years.

    "I've read Ron Paul's whole philosophy, I also understand what he's saying from a political standpoint and why people are attacking him," said Linder.

    "If you scare the folks that have the money, they're going to attack you and they're going to take it out of context," he added.

    "What he's saying is really really threatening the powers that be and that's what they fear," concluded the NAACP President.
    Well, now the NAACP is defending racists! What has the world come to.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    Good point, I'm sure we should all hold David Lee Roth accountable for everything that is written on a message board bearing his name, especially since we're getting some attention and official recognition these days! I'm sure he reads it all and would have publically disavowed anything he disagreed with.
    Puh-leez. So far no one's written anything here claiming to be him... and sorry, being a racist is an automatic DQ for presidential aspirations too. That was his newsletter, and if he was allowing articles to be written under his name (and apparently he was, not the 1st time this has come up, and he DIDN'T disavow it in the past), and was too dumb to know one of the writers misrepresenting themselves as him was a racist homophobic douche? FAIL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhale667 View Post
    Puh-leez. So far no one's written anything here claiming to be him... and sorry, being a racist is an automatic DQ for presidential aspirations too. That was his newsletter, and if he was allowing articles to be written under his name (and apparently he was, not the 1st time this has come up, and he DIDN'T disavow it in the past), and was too dumb to know one of the writers misrepresenting themselves as him was a racist homophobic douche? FAIL.
    I know racism is your hot button. I just think it's unfortunate that you let others press it and manipulate you with it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I know racism is your hot button. I just think it's unfortunate that you let others press it and manipulate you with it.
    Oh that's not true at all Dr. Love.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I know racism is your hot button. I just think it's unfortunate that you let others press it and manipulate you with it.
    I don't. And I've done my research on Dr. Paul. While I agree with him about ending the wars and a couple of other things, he'absolutely batshit on social issues. He also just picked up an endorsement from a zealot preacher who's most well-known for saying gays should be executed. Not helping his case...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    Good point, I'm sure we should all hold David Lee Roth accountable for everything that is written on a message board bearing his name, especially since we're getting some attention and official recognition these days! I'm sure he reads it all and would have publically disavowed anything he disagreed with.
    Terrible analogy....



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    First, they ignored him. Then, they dismissed him. Now, they're attacking him. Seems like they are pretty desperate to make sure he doesn't get any traction! And no wonder -- if he actually did make it, it would mean the end for a lot of special interests that drive life in the USA.

    http://www.nolanchart.com/article113...-a-racist.html
    http://www.libertariannews.org/2011/...inst-ron-paul/
    http://www.theatlanticwire.com/polit...pelling/46753/


    I don't believe he's a racist. And even if he were ... I wouldn't care.

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    This is simply a smear campaign. Don't let people so brazenly manipulate you guys into believing something. Research both sides of it and come up with your own point of view.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    This is simply a smear campaign. Don't let people so brazenly manipulate you guys into believing something. Research both sides of it and come up with your own point of view.
    You do realize that this place is populated with the most far left liberal mofo's on the face of the earth?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jagermeister View Post
    You do realize that this place is populated with the most far left liberal mofo's on the face of the earth?

    Makes it interesting & fun for me. Otherwise we would just have threads with a hundred posts of "I agree".
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    Who cares what Ron Paul said? He's not going to be on the ticket anyway.

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    He may not be racist but he's definitely a homophobe!


    http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bruno/ron-paul-interview/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He may not be racist but he's definitely a homophobe!


    http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bruno/ron-paul-interview/
    In Texas, he's lucky he didn't get shot (and I doubt anyone would have convicted Ron Paul if he had shot him).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    In Texas, he's lucky he didn't get shot (and I doubt anyone would have convicted Ron Paul if he had shot him).
    Shot just for misreading the signs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seshmeister View Post
    He may not be racist but he's definitely a homophobe!


    http://www.anyclip.com/movies/bruno/ron-paul-interview/

    There's an article around stating that most gays don't have a huge problem with Paul as his record regarding basic civil liberties is good...
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    I think, watching the video, an invitation to a bedroom with a guy that puts on music, lights candles, starts dancing and then disrobes (and blocks the door) ... in Texas, yeah, that could very well get you severely hurt, and most citizens would not really blame the person for feeling threatened/protecting themselves.

    Regardless, I've been watching more of the news lately and they are finally talking about Ron Paul but only to try to smear him further, claiming that he appeals only to a fringe element and that he doesn't have any real support in the US (despite being 20%+ in Iowa ... that's a huge fringe). Furthermore, they are trying very hard to make his votes look anti-minority/anti-gay by framing it as "Ron Paul votes against Rosa Parks getting the Congressional Gold Medal" when in fact he was voting against the government paying for it ... offering and challenging his fellow congressman to put forward money out of their own pockets to pay for it instead of paying for it with taxpayer money. Same thing with saying that Ron Paul supports laws against homosexuality. He believes the states should be able to pass their own laws and the federal government should be limited to it's constitutional mandate. No realistic person believes that a state will pass an ardently anti-homosexual law, but it's a nice way to twist the position to fit the agenda to commit slander and libel against him.

    Again, why? Because his positions threaten to take power away from the powerful, to undermine and dismantle the establishment, and take the country down a path where the entrenched interests will lose power and influence. Ignoring him didn't undermine his traction, dismissing him didn't undermine his traction. So, now they will attack him.

    The unfortunate thing is, he's not a very eloquent speaker, so he may have a harder time defending himself.

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    I think, watching the video, an invitation to a bedroom with a guy that puts on music, lights candles, starts dancing and then disrobes (and blocks the door) ... in Texas, yeah, that could very well get you severely hurt, and most citizens would not really blame the person for feeling threatened/protecting themselves.
    I was only kidding I don't think Paul did anything wrong but violence never mind extreme violence in those circumstances says more about the person having doubts about their own sexuality than anything else.

    Change the sex of Ron Paul in the scenario to female then she is far more vulnerable being physically weaker. If a girl went willingly into a bedroom with a guy with a film crew in an adjoining room it would be ok if she shot him the minute he dropped his pants?

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    I could go on at length, but perhaps it's better for you guys to read up on his political positions yourselves, and make up your own minds and not let a news channel tell you what to think. Here's a good place to start, as it will help give a lot more direct quote information on his views on many, many things, including racism and homosexuality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ns_of_Ron_Paul

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I could go on at length, but perhaps it's better for you guys to read up on his political positions yourselves, and make up your own minds and not let a news channel tell you what to think. Here's a good place to start, as it will help give a lot more direct quote information on his views on many, many things, including racism and homosexuality.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politic...ns_of_Ron_Paul
    i've studied up a bit on ron paul. i definitely believe he's sincere. moreso than most, if not all members of congress. good for him. that said, sincerity, by itself, does not make up for absolutely loony economic policies, no matter how much you really believe in them.

    my favorite is his, "let's let every American make up their own form of currency." because, the one thing this economy needs right now is 300 million potential exchange rates...
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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    my favorite is his, "let's let every American make up their own form of currency." because, the one thing this economy needs right now is 300 million potential exchange rates...
    link/source?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    link/source?
    straight from the man, himself:

    ron paul's free competition in currency act

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    Quote Originally Posted by knuckleboner View Post
    straight from the man, himself:

    ron paul's free competition in currency act
    After reading it (and several other related arcitles), this appears to be an "end the fed" tactic; I doubt we would wind up with 300 million currencies, or even more than a few, because the infrastructure isn't there for a lot of companies to produce it, and the populace at large wouldn't accept it in general.

    His point of view seems to be that gold, being a limited commodity, would not be subject to inflation and if you have 2 prices listed for goods, where 1 is in gold/silver, and the other in FRN, that as the fed prints more money, the FRN price would go up due to inflation where the gold/silver price would stay the same. Slowly, people would abandon the FRN in favor of gold/silver.

    I personally have no idea if that would actually happen or not. However, I doubt to a large degree that as President he could get that through the Congress without a large amount of tempering, like a lot of his ideas. I think that, properly tempered, they could be good for the country, and I think the Congress and the Courts would provide that tempering. I think that at the very least it would be much better than leaving things as they are now.

    I do wonder how much he would exercise the veto power against the Congress.

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    You would never hear these allegations come out if Ron Paul didn't have a chance at becoming the next president. I think the way the Republican establishment has treated him has been shameful. If you want war with Iran. More corporate bailouts. More debt. Go ahead and vote for the other Republicans. If you want a neocon agenda with a more socialist flavor, leave Obama in. Ron Paul is the only candidate to start focusing on this country instead of running 800 overseas bases, letting a private bank screw us, and bailing out corporations that should just go broke due to their own incompetence.

    It's going to get nasty. I hope nobody shoots him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nitro Express View Post
    You would never hear these allegations come out if Ron Paul didn't have a chance at becoming the next president...
    I have more of a chance of being the next president than Ron Paul does...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    I have more of a chance of being the next president than Ron Paul does...
    I look forward to seeing where you place in the Iowa Caucuses then!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Love View Post
    I look forward to seeing where you place in the Iowa Caucuses then!
    Well, at least I'll beat Bachmann by default...

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    Despite all of this, Ron Paul apparently had a good day today, as two key members of the Batshit Bachmann team defected to his camp. You know that's gotta hurt, 5 days before the fucking Iowa caucus

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    Quote Originally Posted by FORD View Post
    Despite all of this, Ron Paul apparently had a good day today, as two key members of the Batshit Bachmann team defected to his camp. You know that's gotta hurt, 5 days before the fucking Iowa caucus
    Maybe, but one of his longtime advisers quit and said that Paul's foreign policy would be unconscionably disastrous...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nickdfresh View Post
    Maybe, but one of his longtime advisers quit and said that Paul's foreign policy would be unconscionably disastrous...
    Quite the contrary... foreign policy is probably one area where he would be better than Obama, let alone any of the other Repukes. No more PNAC bullshit.

    It's his domestic policy that would be a disaster - if not blocked by a Liberal congress.

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