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  • Dr. Love
    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
    • Jan 2004
    • 7825

    that's cool!
    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

    http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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    • Dr. Love
      ROTH ARMY SUPREME
      • Jan 2004
      • 7825

      For those of you that think that what we have now is okay, or that we should continue choosing the "lesser of two evils":

      Goodbye, First Amendment: ‘Trespass Bill’ will make protest illegal

      Just when you thought the government couldn’t ruin the First Amendment any further: The House of Representatives approved a bill on Monday that outlaws protests in instances where some government officials are nearby, whether or not you even know it.

      The US House of Representatives voted 388-to-3 in favor of H.R. 347 late Monday, a bill which is being dubbed the Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011. In the bill, Congress officially makes it illegal to trespass on the grounds of the White House, which, on the surface, seems not just harmless and necessary, but somewhat shocking that such a rule isn’t already on the books. The wording in the bill, however, extends to allow the government to go after much more than tourists that transverse the wrought iron White House fence.

      Under the act, the government is also given the power to bring charges against Americans engaged in political protest anywhere in the country.

      Under current law, White House trespassers are prosecuted under a local ordinance, a Washington, DC legislation that can bring misdemeanor charges for anyone trying to get close to the president without authorization. Under H.R. 347, a federal law will formally be applied to such instances, but will also allow the government to bring charges to protesters, demonstrators and activists at political events and other outings across America.

      The new legislation allows prosecutors to charge anyone who enters a building without permission or with the intent to disrupt a government function with a federal offense if Secret Service is on the scene, but the law stretches to include not just the president’s palatial Pennsylvania Avenue home. Under the law, any building or grounds where the president is visiting — even temporarily — is covered, as is any building or grounds “restricted in conjunction with an event designated as a special event of national significance."
      It’s not just the president who would be spared from protesters, either.

      Covered under the bill is any person protected by the Secret Service. Although such protection isn’t extended to just everybody, making it a federal offense to even accidently disrupt an event attended by a person with such status essentially crushes whatever currently remains of the right to assemble and peacefully protest.

      Hours after the act passed, presidential candidate Rick Santorum was granted Secret Service protection. For the American protester, this indeed means that glitter-bombing the former Pennsylvania senator is officially a very big no-no, but it doesn’t stop with just him. Santorum’s coverage under the Secret Service began on Tuesday, but fellow GOP hopeful Mitt Romney has already been receiving such security. A campaign aide who asked not to be identified confirmed last week to CBS News that former House Speaker Newt Gingrich has sought Secret Service protection as well. Even former contender Herman Cain received the armed protection treatment when he was still in the running for the Republican Party nod.

      In the text of the act, the law is allowed to be used against anyone who knowingly enters or remains in a restricted building or grounds without lawful authority to do so, but those grounds are considered any area where someone — rather it’s President Obama, Senator Santorum or Governor Romney — will be temporarily visiting, whether or not the public is even made aware. Entering such a facility is thus outlawed, as is disrupting the orderly conduct of “official functions,” engaging in disorderly conduct “within such proximity to” the event or acting violent to anyone, anywhere near the premises. Under that verbiage, that means a peaceful protest outside a candidate’s concession speech would be a federal offense, but those occurrences covered as special event of national significance don’t just stop there, either. And neither does the list of covered persons that receive protection.

      Outside of the current presidential race, the Secret Service is responsible for guarding an array of politicians, even those from outside America. George W Bush is granted protection until ten years after his administration ended, or 2019, and every living president before him is eligible for life-time, federally funded coverage. Visiting heads of state are extended an offer too, and the events sanctioned as those of national significance — a decision that is left up to the US Department of Homeland Security — extends to more than the obvious. While presidential inaugurations and meeting of foreign dignitaries are awarded the title, nearly three dozen events in all have been considered a National Special Security Event (NSSE) since the term was created under President Clinton. Among past events on the DHS-sanctioned NSSE list are Super Bowl XXXVI, the funerals of Ronald Reagan and Gerald Ford, most State of the Union addresses and the 2008 Democratic and Republican National Conventions.

      With Secret Service protection awarded to visiting dignitaries, this also means, for instance, that the federal government could consider a demonstration against any foreign president on American soil as a violation of federal law, as long as it could be considered disruptive to whatever function is occurring.

      When thousands of protesters are expected to descend on Chicago this spring for the 2012 G8 and NATO summits, they will also be approaching the grounds of a National Special Security Event. That means disruptive activity, to whichever court has to consider it, will be a federal offense under the act.

      And don’t forget if you intend on fighting such charges, you might not be able to rely on evidence of your own. In the state of Illinois, videotaping the police, under current law, brings criminals charges. Don’t fret. It’s not like the country will really try to enforce it — right?

      On the bright side, does this mean that the law could apply to law enforcement officers reprimanded for using excessive force on protesters at political events? Probably. Of course, some fear that the act is being created just to keep those demonstrations from ever occuring, and given the vague language on par with the loose definition of a “terrorist” under the NDAA, if passed this act is expected to do a lot more harm to the First Amendment than good.

      United States Representative Justin Amash (MI-03) was one of only three lawmakers to vote against the act when it appeared in the House late Monday. Explaining his take on the act through his official Facebook account on Tuesday, Rep. Amash writes, “The bill expands current law to make it a crime to enter or remain in an area where an official is visiting even if the person does not know it's illegal to be in that area and has no reason to suspect it's illegal.”

      “Some government officials may need extraordinary protection to ensure their safety. But criminalizing legitimate First Amendment activity — even if that activity is annoying to those government officials — violates
      our rights,” adds the representative.

      Now that the act has overwhelmingly made it through the House, the next set of hands to sift through its pages could very well be President Barack Obama; the US Senate had already passed the bill back on February 6. Less than two months ago, the president approved the National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2012, essentially suspending habeas corpus from American citizens. Could the next order out of the Executive Branch be revoking some of the Bill of Rights? Only if you consider the part about being able to assemble a staple of the First Amendment, really. Don’t worry, though. Obama was, after all, a constitutional law professor. When he signed the NDAA on December 31, he accompanied his signature with a signing statement that let Americans know that, just because he authorized the indefinite detention of Americans didn’t mean he thought it was right.

      Should President Obama suspend the right to assemble, Americans might expect another apology to accompany it in which the commander-in-chief condemns the very act he authorizes. If you disagree with such a decision, however, don’t take it to the White House. Sixteen-hundred Pennsylvania Avenue and the vicinity is, of course, covered under this act.


      Ask yourself: Do you think Obama will sign this bill? Do you think he should?

      If he does, will you continue to blindly accept him as he continues to shred the constitution and bill of rights, like his predecessor?
      I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

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      • Nickdfresh
        SUPER MODERATOR

        • Oct 2004
        • 49136

        Originally posted by Dr. Love
        They seeth him rolling in his horseless carriage, they profoundly smite him!

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        • Dr. Love
          ROTH ARMY SUPREME
          • Jan 2004
          • 7825

          I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

          http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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          • knuckleboner
            Crazy Ass Mofo
            • Jan 2004
            • 2927

            Originally posted by Dr. Love
            Do you mean GDP or tax revenues (income)?

            Also, which candidates actually put forward plans that accomplish that goal?
            responsibly? none.

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            • Dr. Love
              ROTH ARMY SUPREME
              • Jan 2004
              • 7825

              There, we disagree.
              I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

              http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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              • LoungeMachine
                DIAMOND STATUS
                • Jul 2004
                • 32555

                Did he win, did he win??????



                Oh, boy I hope he won......
                Originally posted by Kristy
                Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                Originally posted by cadaverdog
                I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                • LoungeMachine
                  DIAMOND STATUS
                  • Jul 2004
                  • 32555

                  Originally posted by Dr. Love
                  Aside from the bottom tag (which is wishful thinking), yes, 4k people is a big deal in context.

                  Romney.....



                  But those damn "election results" are so fucking biased......
                  Originally posted by Kristy
                  Dude, what in the fuck is wrong with you? I'm full of hate and I do drugs.
                  Originally posted by cadaverdog
                  I posted under aliases and I jerk off with a sock. Anything else to add?

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                  • Dr. Love
                    ROTH ARMY SUPREME
                    • Jan 2004
                    • 7825

                    Lounge, you're smarter than this sort of thing.



                    I think.
                    I've got the cure you're thinkin' of.

                    http://i.imgur.com/jBw4fCu.gif

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                    • BigBadBrian
                      TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                      • Jan 2004
                      • 10620

                      Originally posted by Dr. Love
                      Lounge, you're smarter than this sort of thing.



                      I think.
                      No.

                      Doc, I've read quite a few of your posts lately. My impression is you know quite a bit about both macro and microeconomics, unlike LM and KB you're debating with.

                      At this point in time, I think Romney will win the nomination, think Paul might be on the ticket, hope Santorum and Gingrich go fuck themselves, and wish Chris Cristie or Mitch Daniels would run.

                      “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                      • VH Drummer
                        Roadie
                        • May 2009
                        • 134

                        I think a Romney/Paul ticket could be a legitimate contender as a lot of moderates view Paul favorably. It could make the race very interesting.

                        Interesting look at the numbers Paul took from Ingham County in MI yesterday (Ingham is where MSU is, where he had 4,000+ on Monday):

                        Romney: 10,140 (41.4)
                        Santorum: 8,170 (34.4)
                        Paul: 3,128 (13.2)

                        It's as if all of his supporters were in the auditorium! Most likely though, a majority of the people were moderates who didn't plan on voting in the primary, but rather they wanted to hear what he'd say (like me).
                        Last edited by VH Drummer; 02-29-2012, 10:08 AM.
                        2012: 2/10 The Darkness, 2/20 Van Halen, 3/3 The Black Keys

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                        • ELVIS
                          Banned
                          • Dec 2003
                          • 44120

                          I honestly have no idea how Sanitorum has those numbers...

                          Can the game possibly be rigged that much ??

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                          • BigBadBrian
                            TOASTMASTER GENERAL
                            • Jan 2004
                            • 10620

                            Originally posted by ELVIS
                            I honestly have no idea how Sanitorum has those numbers...

                            Can the game possibly be rigged that much ??
                            Supposedly a high percentage of Dems voted in the MI Republican primary, just to upset the apple cart.

                            I can't blame them, I voted in Virginia's Democratic Primary in 2008. Perfectly legal. All that is required is the chance that you MAY vote Democratic in the general election.
                            “If bullshit was currency, Joe Biden would be a billionaire.” - George W. Bush

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                            • jhale667
                              DIAMOND STATUS
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 20929

                              Originally posted by BigBadBrian
                              Supposedly a high percentage of Dems voted in the MI Republican primary, just to upset the apple cart.

                              I can't blame them, I voted in Virginia's Democratic Primary in 2008. Perfectly legal. All that is required is the chance that you MAY vote Democratic in the general election.
                              Untrue (even though Romney cried about it - and made more ironic by the fact that he admits to doing it himself in the past). Only 3% more than 2008 (10% as opposed to 7%). Not enough to make a huge difference. It's likely more (in MI at least) about Mitten's "let the auto industry fail" statement, and the fact that Evangelicals hate Mormons more than they hate Catholics overall.
                              Originally posted by conmee
                              If anyone even thinks about deleting the Muff Thread they are banned.... no questions asked.

                              That is all.

                              Icon.
                              Originally posted by GO-SPURS-GO
                              I've seen prominent hypocrite liberal on this site Jhale667


                              Originally posted by Isaac R.
                              Then it's really true??:eek:

                              The Muff Thread is really just GONE ???

                              OMFG...who in their right mind...???
                              Originally posted by eddie78
                              I was wrong about you, brother. You're good.

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                              • ELVIS
                                Banned
                                • Dec 2003
                                • 44120

                                Well, Ron Paul is a Christian, he just doesn't go around forcing it on people and trying to tell them how to live...

                                Must be a lot of gullible Catholics...

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