You mean like the votes for Ralph Nader in 2000, effectively springing the chimp into office over Al Gore?Originally Posted by Dr. Love
Old Man Lounge drank his haterade today
No vote is a waste vote. You have a say in the direction of the country. The idea that voting for someone is wasting a vote/voting for someone else is a logical fallacy.
Do you think Gore would have invaded Iraq in 2003? I doubt it!
GWB became President because people voted for him, not because people voted for Ralph Nader.
Not all of us believe we have to pick between the two parties that the majority seems inclined to waste time on. If Ron Paul weren't running, I wouldn't vote for Obama or whomever the GOP nominee would be. I would find someone I believed in and vote for them. It's a genuine shame more people don't vote that way, instead of "choosing between the lesser of two evils" and then wondering why they get what they get.
Don't like the choices presented by the 2 main parties? STOP VOTING FOR THEM!
Yeah, less people than for Al Gore...
The precious Constitution at work, BTW.
You don't have to pick well meaning, but certifiable, metal-cases either...Not all of us believe we have to pick between the two parties that the majority seems inclined to waste time on.
Oh, the fickle American public...If Ron Paul weren't running, I wouldn't vote for Obama or whomever the GOP nominee would be. I would find someone I believed in and vote for them. It's a genuine shame more people don't vote that way, instead of "choosing between the lesser of two evils" and then wondering why they get what they get.
Don't like the choices presented by the 2 main parties? STOP VOTING FOR THEM!
Metal-cases ??
You guys may disagree with my choice, but I'm the only one advocating for someone ... I don't hear much in the way of alternative vision from you guys. Unless you're still standing by Obama?
And if so, I'd wonder: Is it because you like Obama's record and performance, or because you don't want what you perceive as the "greater of two evils"?
No you're not...
but I'm the only one advocating for someone ...
you're right, my apologies.
Ron Paul OWNED Santorum tonight...
I'm sorry, I thought this was the ronpaul=awesome thread....
You guys may disagree with my choice, but I'm the only one advocating for someone ... I don't hear much in the way of alternative vision from you guys. Unless you're still standing by Obama?
And if so, I'd wonder: Is it because you like Obama's record and performance, or because you don't want what you perceive as the "greater of two evils"?
And it's not an either/or answer.....it's both
Yeah?
How many delegates is that worth again?
awesome/kickassI'm sorry, I thought this was the ronpaul=awesome thread....
And it's not an either/or answer.....it's both
I guess some people just want to settle for the choices other people give them. :P
To show my total ignorance of the state of US politics,
(other than the carrier pigeons news that told Australians Obama sucks)
Is Ron related to Les ?
I know, its deep. Possible cross forum possibilites, US politics in gear street.....
BABY PANA 2 IS Coming !! All across the land, let the love and beer flow !
Love ya Mary Frances!
Yes he did own him big time Elvis.
Ron Paul - Watch this presentation to see why so many people are endorsing Ron Paul for President
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...v=92OV3RbU3ek#!
I'm watching the recast of the debate, noticing a few things.
Gingrich really is a condescending asshole. Jaysis.
Gingrich, Romney, Santorum all say "I". Paul says "We".
Gingrich gave maybe an honest answer on doing something different in retrospect. Santorum and Romney were BS. Paul said he wished he was a better speaker. I think that was the most honest.
Ron Paul is still a rambler. How many times are you going to say "but" and change the subject...?
haha, Ron Paul busted Santorum's balls on the abortion issue. It was great to see the audience shouting for him to speak when they were going to skip him. He did a goofy wave which doesn't really help his case... lol.
Santorum attacks Gingrich and Romney relentlessly... I guess he doesn't think he can get Paul supporters as easily as he can Romney/Gingrich supporters.
Santorum doesn't like the internet. Well, we don't like him either.
Does anyone else think Mitt Romney has a creepy, plastic stare? And Gingrich, when he grins, looks like a giant baby.
I find it bizarre to hear Newt call Romney a moderate. Isn't Newt a big government conservative?
I think Ron Paul is the only likable candidate, I'd vote for him over his opponents.... but seriously, folks... with this bunch to choose from we're destined for another 4 years of Obama.
You make it sound like you picked Ron Paul out of obscurity and had him run....
I don't begrudge your like of the guy. I like 80% of his stances too.....
BUT HE CAN'T WIN
You're in love, so you can't see clearly.
You could say that he's a big government guy. A conservative? Not hardly.
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"Don't want 'em to get you goat, don't show 'em where it's hid." - David Lee Roth
Funny thing is.....
IF Paul had decided a year ago to make a serious 3rd Party Run I'd actually admit he might have a chance.
But he's NEVER going to get the GOP Nomination.....never.
I don't think he'll win, but I like his strategy. I'd like to see it be a race between romney, paul and gingrich all the way to the convention. If we get there and no one has enough delegates to clearly win, then they have to broker ... and paul could become a kingmaker and get a lot of his positions adopted. That's what I'm rooting for.
people support Ron Paul.You make it sound like you picked Ron Paul out of obscurity and had him run....
I don't begrudge your like of the guy. I like 80% of his stances too.....
BUT HE CAN'T WIN
You're in love, so you can't see clearly.
There are dozens of us! Dozens!!
Well, my 2 cents....Ron Paul at least has clear ideas about how to tackle various issues....while the other candidates do nothing but yell and scream the same old rhetoric without offering any specific solutions, Paul has always got a plan. Something none of the other idiots seem to want to bother with. Sort of like the current Retardlican assholes in Congress. Instead of doing their jobs during the Obama term, they have spent all their energy trying to stop Obama from doing anything.
In fact, this Congress has actually done less in the way of legislation than any other Congress in history.
They were elected to do a job, and have FAILED. Big time. They should all be run out of DC on a rail with much tar and feathering.
Not saying Paul does not engage in his share of rhetoric, and I certainly do not agree with his policies on everything, but out of all the Retardlican candidates, he appears to have more sense than the others. A lot of his suggestions I have seen over the years are "Common Sense" suggestions....which is why he is feared by the Retardlicans, who don't want anyone elected that "gets any ideas".
Paul always seemed more of an independent candidate who was not a sheep, was not afraid to vote differently than the Retardlican asshole party line....
So I see him as the lesser of Retardlican evils. And on one front, he is in favor of ending the waste involved with the "War On Drugs", something Mobama refuses to consider, despite his admission on Jay Leno to smoking pot:
Jay Leno: Did you inhale?
Obama: Well, that was the point, wasn't it?
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Funny thing is.....
IF Paul had decided a year ago to make a serious 3rd Party Run I'd actually admit he might have a chance.
But he's NEVER going to get the GOP Nomination.....never.
Tonights top story on Yahoo was about the debate & mostly Gingrich responses to ex-wife. I read whole story. Included lines about Romneys taxes, Santorums jabs at Newt, etc. Anyways, I get to the comments after....
#1 - umm...no mention of Ron Paul? Was he there?
#2 - Candidate mentions in article
Gingrich 15
Romney 13
Santorum 8
Ron Paul 0
Once you realize the guy gets zero respect, it really becomes blatant.
“Great losses often bring only a numb shock. To truly plunge a victim into misery, you must overwhelm him with many small sufferings.”
Would it really matter if he was?
I was so distraught to hear that Lounge didn't like Colbert ... but then I found out why, and it all made sense.
Because even HE has a better chance than Ron Paul??
So what happens when Paul ends up with the most delagates ??
Same thing that happened to Gore or Kerry.......
E- Jesus . Playing both sides because he didnt understand the argument in the first place
The Supreme Court comes in and hands them over to Jeb Bush?
I think its really cool to see all the Ron Paul support in here....
Even looking back to the '08 nomination of McCain......he had it all but wrapped up by Feb.
Remember, the term, "smoked filled room", came into being because of the Warren Harding Republican nomination.
The GOP likes to have a nominee early and taking it to the delegation floor of the convention isn't the image the GOP wants to send going up against Obama in the general. Fractured parties don't play well in the media or to the Party faithful. A fractured Party usually leads to Moderates or on-the-fence voters looking somewhere else.
That's why no matter what happens with Paul......he will never be the nominee, they won't allow it, period!
You're made a webbie here....
Alot of people have yet to snap out of denial to realize it, but that's exactly how it's going down.
There have already been subtle hints of this, but if you're quick, you'll catch them.
Two weeks before Huntsman cheesed out, he was asked by every single media outlet if his campaign was just a dry run for a 2016 shot. Every single last one of them.
I found that interesting why they would even ask him something like that.
Let's just say (for laughs, if nothing else) that Obama doesn't get re-elected. What would Huntsman run as in 2016? A Democrat this time?
They asked him that because even they've conceded that this pack of fucking brainless bozos (that the GOP scraped the absolute bottom of the barrel to find) don't have a fucking chance in hell.
Add to that the fact that somewhere in the last 30 years or so, Americans have developed a very bad habit of giving our Presidents two-terms, whether they deserve it or not, though alot of that can be attributed to how ridiculous going through this process every four years is.
Also add to that the fact that everyone seems to have forgotten how formidable 'campaign Obama' is. How he's done his job once he got it depends on your perspective, but the guy is undeniably a campaign ninja, He will completely annihilate and embarass these waterheads within the first 5 minutes.
The only one that has a shot of having Obama on the ropes and holding his feet to the fire is Ron Paul, but like Lounge is trying to tell everyone, he has no chance. Not because we don't believe in him or what he says. It's because his plans and ideas throw a monkey-wrench into 'the plan', one that has been in effect for quite some time now, and they will never let Ron Paul or anyone like him, get in the way of that. Never Never Never.
You really have to pay attention to catch these beams of light, but they're bright enough for you to see the writing on the wall.
Fucking AYE!!!!
That's sort of like bragging about giving a retard a weggie...not really saying much...
You're right on that one...
Campaign ninja ??
Well. Ron Paul is a campaign AK47...
What are odds of a video coming out showing Santorum sucking off Bachman's husband backstage before a debate? 60-40? 70-30?
a little of both.
You guys may disagree with my choice, but I'm the only one advocating for someone ... I don't hear much in the way of alternative vision from you guys. Unless you're still standing by Obama?
And if so, I'd wonder: Is it because you like Obama's record and performance, or because you don't want what you perceive as the "greater of two evils"?
i was never an obama is going to change the world kind of guy. but i thought he was the best of the bunch in 2008.
am i a little disappointed by his performance thus far? eh...in some instances. he certainly hasn't been perfect. but he's had a hellacious situation. started in the middle of the worst recession in 3 generations. (ron paul's the only candidate who can say he remembers when it was worse...) plus, make no mistake, the republicans were out since day one to impede his progress. not easy when every position you take is vigorously opposed because the other side wants to make you a 1-termer.
that said, while the stimulus bill was far from perfect, it's helped. no doubt. there are hundreds of thousands of police, firefighers and teachers who didn't join the unemployed thanks to it. hundreds of thousands of construction jobs who had work. hundreds of millions of Americans who had lower taxes because of it.
the American auto industry exists because the obama administation stepped up. and for very little net investment, GM is back again as the world's #1 car company. that's a helluva turnaround.
he wound down the 2 wars in a way that was responsible, but got the job done. could it have been quicker? sure. but it happened.
he killed osama.
he took out qaddaffi.
he repealed don't ask don't tell.
and he got the ball rolling on the first significant (though by NO means socialist) health care reform in about 100 years.
best president ever? no. definitely not. but out of the republican crowd of 2012, i'd take obama every time. (and i'd take obama's dog over bachmann.)
Marcus has a face that looks like it's been used as a catchers mitt for cocks, so if it were reversed to have Michelle's wife blowing Sanitorium, you can kick those odds up to 80-20 easy.
90-10 odds says they try blowing each other at the same time and both fall off the couch.
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